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Decentralized Finance (DeFi) is the Next Big Thing

joe_zazen

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Disclaimer: I am random on internet, not investment professional, it is disruptive tech with huge upside if you can pick the Amazons from the Altavistas. Like the bitcoin thread, the point of this one to share defi info, and due diligence on defi companies with you, and I hope you'll do the same. Defi is complex, but it is the next disruption and with disruption comes opportunity...also risk. I'll be doing a rundown on Abaxx Technologies as a case study in a bit.

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EDIT: I'll put links to any DD Defi posts here for easy access.
Self Sovreign ID:
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defi company I invested in and why I am interested:
ABXX post 1 of 3
ABXX post 2 of 3
ABXX post 3 of 3

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Nutshell Definition and history

decentralized finance is a set of applications that offer a global alternative to every financial service you use today.
  • not managed by an institution and employees, rather rules are written and executed in code and they run themselves with little to no human intervention.
  • code is transparent, so auditable.
  • Anyone can create apps, no gatekeepers
  • Interoperable
  • entirely new industry blooming from scratch based on distributed ledger tech

2008: 'Bitcoin' whitepaper published detailing an immutable record of transactions between parties on a network can be created via blockchain. There is no need for 3rd party such as bank or exchange, everyone has access to all transaction information via distributed ledger:

2015: Ethereum launched with added 'smart contract' functionality. SCs are binding agreements between parties on the blockchain that execute when certain conditions are met. In addition, Ethereum network is programmable allowing decentralized applications or dapps. These three things (smart contracts, blockchain tokens, and dapps) are the building blocks of defi.

2017: bitcoin mani brings blockchain into the mainstream and attracts attention from outside the bitcoin world.

2018: Defi coined, and new era begins.

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Web 2.0 companies like Google, Amazon, and Facebook sit on top of the internet protocols and retain almost all of the value creation.

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While the majority of the value will likely be contained in the lower level base protocols in the decentralized Web 3.0, it's important to note that Middleware, which sits between the base protocol and the dapps layer, helps bridge the gap for application creation and use. It's this middle layer that's produced Microsoft, Apple and Google - some of the most valuable companies in the world. There will be a middle layer market in the web 3.0 era as well, which is where the opportunities lay.


Decentralized Finance Will Change Your Understanding Of Financial Systems.
 
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Ballthyrm

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Is that the Attention Token that Brendan Eich was talking about in Lex Fridman's podcast ?




In any case, I think we should have a system where any of the stakeholder can steal the value they didn't create.
WE should have a system where the value creator are the ones making the profit.

We never had that on the web I think, we still have gatekeepers capturing the market.
 
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bicen

Neo Member
I shared this in the Bitcoin thread and thought I would also share it here. Charles Hoskinson is one of the co-founders of Ethereum and the founder of Cardano - A 3rd generation cryptocurrency. Pretty fascinating individual and this interview I watched with him convinced me to invest in his business model. He talks a lot about the capabilities and promise of his approach, as well as some of the fundamentals of the sector on why he believes DeFi is the future. I figured I would share it here with you. I'm interested in hearing what others think. I added a bonus video from when Bitcoin hit 1 trillion dollar market cap and his views on this milestone.



 

joe_zazen

Member
ABXX Post 1 of 3

disclaimer: random retard on interwebs, not professional investment advisor. I own no shares.

Abaxx Technologies (listed on Neo Exchange in Canada ABXX priced in CAD, also U.S. ADR priced in USD (OTCPK:ABXXF),

site: https://www.abaxx.tech/insights/investor-relations

Company description:
  • Canadian microcap fintech seeking to disrupt multiple industries by being first-to-market provider of blockchain based middleware platform and applications for commodity exchange
  • Developed full stack SaaS solution to increase privacy, security, speed and price discovery while reducing costs of clearing trades
  • Will be opening a Singapore-based exchange (regulatory approval as of sept 2020, final approval and start up Q2)
  • Will market SaaS to people and industries outside of commodity exchanges
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Some Founding investors include:
Robert Friedland (billionaire miner, steve jobs actual Guru), Kyle Bass (billionaire hedge fund guy), Lukas Lundin (billionaire miner) Frank Holmes (billionaire ceo of US Investments), Peter Schiff (personality and ceo of Euro Pacific Capital),, Eric Townsend (personality, hedge fund guy), Pasig & Hudson (incubator), Cairn Merchant Partners (Merchant Bank).

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From SEDAR filing, shareholder update Jan 27 2021
  • On schedule, launch Singapore Abaxx Commodities Exchange as early as Q2-2021 (this is first stage; launch a traditional, regulated commodity-futures exchange for key commodity markets required for energy transition)
  • Abaxx Command Console suite currently in private beta; public beta Q2;includes MVR implementation for ESG externality pricing; 2H2021 release; will be commercialized broadly for use in segments where data privacy, security, digital id, multiparty signature, document management and custody.

Short term price prediction and preliminary thoughts
  • Share price will stay the same or decline until bull signals. No idea when bull signals will happen
  • Company went public via RTO (reverse take over) NOT IPO. IPO provides liquidity to angel investors by allowing them to sell to investment banks in advance of public access. RTO angel investors do not receive this opportunity until public listing. Pre-listing investors hold ~ 70% of shares. Low volume means those who want to sell need to drip feed the shares, and no news means no strong upward pressure.
  • This stock is NOT liquid.
  • Q2 for upward movement assuming no delays
  • It is on the neo exchange, which itself is a fin tech start up. They speed bump high frequency traders so the playing field is level for retail investors. They also provide a lot of free, real time info to everyone. super cool stock exchange.
  • Josh Crumb (ceo) is NOT a big mouth promoter, nor has he done anything to pump the shares. All his moves so far look to be based in ethical behaviour with the aim of creating real value in the company, for future performance. As such, if you like day trading or get sick if a stock loses 30% in a day, maybe give this one a pass.
  • On the up side, this company is the very definition of disruptive. It is targeting big bureaucratic players, cutting edge tech, and the green revolution.
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bicen

Neo Member
ABXX Post 1 of 3

disclaimer: random retard on interwebs, not professional investment advisor. I own no shares.

Abaxx Technologies (listed on Neo Exchange in Canada ABXX priced in CAD, also U.S. ADR priced in USD (OTCPK:ABXXF),

site: https://www.abaxx.tech/insights/investor-relations

Company description:
  • Canadian microcap fintech seeking to disrupt multiple industries by being first-to-market provider of blockchain based middleware platform and applications for commodity exchange
  • Developed full stack SaaS solution to increase privacy, security, speed and price discovery while reducing costs of clearing trades
  • Will be opening a Singapore-based exchange (regulatory approval as of sept 2020, final approval and start up Q2)
  • Will market SaaS to people and industries outside of commodity exchanges
u9Il1XI.jpg

ws000Fj.jpg


Some Founding investors include:
Robert Friedland (billionaire miner, steve jobs actual Guru), Kyle Bass (billionaire hedge fund guy), Lukas Lundin (billionaire miner) Frank Holmes (billionaire ceo of US Investments), Peter Schiff (personality and ceo of Euro Pacific Capital),, Eric Townsend (personality, hedge fund guy), Pasig & Hudson (incubator), Cairn Merchant Partners (Merchant Bank).

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From SEDAR filing, shareholder update Jan 27 2021
  • On schedule, launch Singapore Abaxx Commodities Exchange as early as Q2-2021 (this is first stage; launch a traditional, regulated commodity-futures exchange for key commodity markets required for energy transition)
  • Abaxx Command Console suite currently in private beta; public beta Q2;includes MVR implementation for ESG externality pricing; 2H2021 release; will be commercialized broadly for use in segments where data privacy, security, digital id, multiparty signature, document management and custody.

Short term price prediction and preliminary thoughts
  • Share price will stay the same or decline until bull signals. No idea when bull signals will happen
  • Company went public via RTO (reverse take over) NOT IPO. IPO provides liquidity to angel investors by allowing them to sell to investment banks in advance of public access. RTO angel investors do not receive this opportunity until public listing. Pre-listing investors hold ~ 70% of shares. Low volume means those who want to sell need to drip feed the shares, and no news means no strong upward pressure.
  • This stock is NOT liquid.
  • Q2 for upward movement assuming no delays
  • It is on the neo exchange, which itself is a fin tech start up. They speed bump high frequency traders so the playing field is level for retail investors. They also provide a lot of free, real time info to everyone. super cool stock exchange.
  • Josh Crumb (ceo) is NOT a big mouth promoter, nor has he done anything to pump the shares. All his moves so far look to be based in ethical behaviour with the aim of creating real value in the company, for future performance. As such, if you like day trading or get sick if a stock loses 30% in a day, maybe give this one a pass.
  • On the up side, this company is the very definition of disruptive. It is targeting big bureaucratic players, cutting edge tech, and the green revolution.
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I am interested in reading the white paper once it has been released. Are you invested in this company? What about it makes you interested in this project versus the hundreds of other DeFi solutions?
 
Yeah, it's auditable. By the handful of experts that have the appropriate expertise. I wouldn't trust any audit on this stuff. Too few people are qualified to do it, and the profession is honestly a mess. It's not that no one knows how to do a good audit of a big company, it's that the incentives are not to do thorough audits. Every audit is given a time budget, and management who generally are really just "audit salesman" will tell you to knock it off and pass on procedures if the client doesn't like what you are doing.


This is more of a rant about auditing in general, but it's something that if you need an audit you shouldn't get to choose your auditor. There should be something like an "auditor's guild" that hands out audits to firms based on a set of criteria. Until we have something like that, you live in a world where there are a lot of dirty audits out there.
 
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joe_zazen

Member
I am interested in reading the white paper once it has been released. Are you invested in this company? What about it makes you interested in this project versus the hundreds of other DeFi solutions?

no shares yet, but probably next week.

Here is nutshell:
  • Solid solid management team
  • went public in a super low key way, no pump and dump smell.
  • Received regulatory approval for commodities exchange from Monetary Authority of Singapore. Last exchange MAS approved was in 2013 and they charged $150MM for it. ABXX Exchange paid no cash which says to me the MAS sees the exchange as a valuable addition to Singapore. Singapore, btw, is the 3rd least corrupt country in the world, so they take regulation seriously. At the very least, I won't be investing in crooks.
  • Not many direct competitors
  • Will have first mover advantage assuming their stated timeline is accurate. 3 1/2 years old, which is ancient for defi company.
I'll post the other two info dumps later today if you want a more in depth look, and I welcome criticism.
 
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Bogey

Banned
I can't see the system ever allowing this to come to be though.

I'm skeptical if it would be a net benefit to the world, to be honest.

Most banking services are currently dirt cheap to the end client.
At least in Europe, fees you pay for say, your retail account will often not even cover the internal costs. Profits will rather tend to come from cross sales and/or other products. For the more profitable stuff, say mortgages.. I'm not entirely sure the core of that (risk management, bullet proof legal legwork) would lend itself very to some decentralised system.

Securities? Trading costs for retail investors these days aren't really excessive either. You could probably shave if bits and pieces here and there, but the majority of how the industry makes real money lies in different areas. Decentralised systems won't change anything about information asymmetries, technical investment (bitcoin doesn't make it any cheaper to build your own low latency microwave network), or ability (aka, dozens of Harvard phds doing Quant research for 12 hours a day, vs. Joe day trading a little from his basement).

So I'm not sure the upside is as large as some might think. The downside, on the other hand?

Bitcoin is already the currency of choice for illegal activity. And yes, we're talking about the really bad stuff here. Human trafficking, weapon deals, terrorist financing.. Those guys have been quite happy about bitcoin, and not just for its soaring prices.

Last but not least, economically, there's a good reason why we have central banks with their exclusive mandate of monetary policy.
And don't get me wrong, they fucked up royally with their policies in the last 15 or so years. Not having any authority at all being able to adjust an economy's liquidity at all?
I'm academically quite curious how that would turn out. There's a high chance it'd end in disaster, however.

Anyways. None of us will impact whether this trend prevails or not anyway. I'd just say, careful what you wish for. For some of the potential benefits that might entail, there are really really big, serious risks too.
 

oagboghi2

Member
I'm skeptical if it would be a net benefit to the world, to be honest.

Most banking services are currently dirt cheap to the end client.
At least in Europe, fees you pay for say, your retail account will often not even cover the internal costs. Profits will rather tend to come from cross sales and/or other products. For the more profitable stuff, say mortgages.. I'm not entirely sure the core of that (risk management, bullet proof legal legwork) would lend itself very to some decentralised system.

Securities? Trading costs for retail investors these days aren't really excessive either. You could probably shave if bits and pieces here and there, but the majority of how the industry makes real money lies in different areas. Decentralised systems won't change anything about information asymmetries, technical investment (bitcoin doesn't make it any cheaper to build your own low latency microwave network), or ability (aka, dozens of Harvard phds doing Quant research for 12 hours a day, vs. Joe day trading a little from his basement).

So I'm not sure the upside is as large as some might think. The downside, on the other hand?

Bitcoin is already the currency of choice for illegal activity. And yes, we're talking about the really bad stuff here. Human trafficking, weapon deals, terrorist financing.. Those guys have been quite happy about bitcoin, and not just for its soaring prices.

Last but not least, economically, there's a good reason why we have central banks with their exclusive mandate of monetary policy.
And don't get me wrong, they fucked up royally with their policies in the last 15 or so years. Not having any authority at all being able to adjust an economy's liquidity at all?
I'm academically quite curious how that would turn out. There's a high chance it'd end in disaster, however.

Anyways. None of us will impact whether this trend prevails or not anyway. I'd just say, careful what you wish for. For some of the potential benefits that might entail, there are really really big, serious risks too.
I'm sorry, I instinctively ignore the argument of anyone who brings this up. Every currency is used illegal activity. To hold that against bitcoin, and not against say, the dollar, is ridiculous.
 

joe_zazen

Member
ABXX post 2 of 3 Competition

Aside from those listed below, I don't think there are any other direct competitors to Abaxx. If I missed any, let me know.

VAKT (VAKT): start date june 21, 2018, private, $5MM+ raised capital, most of it through oil companies, based in London, focused on North Sea Brent crude oil
Creating industry wide POST-trade processing platform for commodities through blockchain
Focus on post-trade lifecycle, eliminating reconciliation and paper-based processes”
Because they are private, there is not a whole lot of information for public consumption.
Interview with Maryam Ayati, one of the early VAKT leads: https://cms.abaxx.fi/uploads/Smarte...on_for_tokenizing_supply_chain_24d7911305.pdf

Triterras (TRIT) TRIT Triteras FinTech is a global commodity exchange and trade finance. They focus on grains and food oils, and are a very different commodity space than Abaxx, and they also focus more on trade finance than Abaxx does. They are probably 12-18 months ahead of Abaxx as far as their exchange infrastructure goes--below is a good presentation they put together in November.
Triterras Fintech Presentation
https://www.netfinspac.com/pdf/presentation.pdf

Bakkt will be be spun off and IPO'd via a SPAC with a val of $2.1B USD. If you net out cash the approximate value of Bakkt is $1.6B USD. Revenues for Bakkt are projected to be $9M in Q4 (annualized $36M) and $7M in Q1 2021. Makes Abaxx's look undervalued IMO. Bakky owns a Bitcoin futures exchange, and a way of managing giftcard loyalty card points. Of note is that Abaxx owns 18% of Pasig & Hudson which has a Bakkt giftcard competitor called GifMo.
Bakkt to be taken public via SPAC
https://www.investopedia.com/ice-owned-crypto-trading-exchange-bakkt-is-going-public-5094866
 

joe_zazen

Member
ABXX post 3 of 3 Everything Else

Investor page: https://www.abaxx.tech/insights/investor-relations

Smarter Markets (Abaxx sponsored podcast). I recommend the Jeff Curry and the John Goldstein episodes if you any interest in esg and commodities. They are all good though. https://www.smartermarketspod.com/

Abaxx buys stake in Singaporean carbon trading platform: https://www.thecowboychannel.com/st...securitizes-carbon-credits-into-corsia-tokens

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...Series-A-Financing-in-AirCarbon-Exchange.html

Bloomberg interview with ceo https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/a...futures-exchange~2104326#.X95aqeCTNKU.twitter

Investor slides: https://www.slideshare.net/AbaxxTechnologiesInc/abaxx-investor-presentation-january-2021-241047514

Upcoming Wallstreet Green Summit (abaxx presents at apr 29 1pm). you need to sign up to participate.
https://1businessworld.com/wall-street-green-summit/wall-street-green-summit-program/

Update on timeline: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/01/27/2164892/0/en/Abaxx-updates-shareholders-on-first-quarter-activities-in-preparation-for-launch-of-the-Abaxx-Exchange.html

RTO Management Circular: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=08654173916174815511

Some twitter accounts:
https://twitter.com/abaxx_tech?lang=en

https://twitter.com/JoshCrumb

https://twitter.com/ErikSTownsend

https://www.smartermarketspod.com/

https://www.macrovoices.com/

https://www.macrovoices.com/

Listing exchange: https://www.neo.inc/en/live/security-activity/ABXX#!/market-depth It is Canadian. ABXXF is the American Depositary Receipt or "ADR" of Abaxx Tech. Investing in the ADR is effectively the same as investing in ABXX on the NEO, except the ADR is priced in US dollars and is for US citizens while ABXX on the NEO is priced in Canadian dollars and is for Canadian citizens. If you ever use the ADR please note that it trades as an OTC stock and it is very important to use a limit order when buying or selling.

Also, I am not a pro. I have no inside knowledge. Only invest if you are ok losing your stake as this is a high risk play. Do your own research. But if you do hop in, let me know.



Random totally unorganized notes:

ABXX have done 3 years of work, and impressed the Monetary Authority of Singapore enough to get an exchange approved. The last one they granted was in 2013, and cost $150MM USD. The Monetary Authority of Singapore only gives out exchange licenses to sophisticated operators who present a novel idea. The combination of working with LNG, particularly green LNG, and a tokenized based trading platform is what led to Abaxx receiving their RMO from MAS. It is hoped that the success of the LNG platform, and the gold exchange which is also near completion, will then lead to the creation of what Robert Friedland called a "series of verticals" which grade commodities based on their ESG qualities and characteristics.

Abaxx has developed their middleware platform with an abstraction layer so that it can sit on top of any distributed ledger base. They are using Ethereum initially, but should a better blockchain present itself they can switch over to that blockchain without any disruption to their exchange or applications. "I know from talking to Josh Crumb, your partner, that you've designed all of this with an abstraction layer that kind of insulates you from future changes and allowing you to move to a different distributed ledger technology without having to redo all of your work. So it's not Ethereum and Ethereum smart contracts forever."

"Josh is very, very passionate about what he calls middleware. Middleware is the transportability of an exchange market development infrastructure that gives you the ability to, to move and be flexible and not be locked into any single technology provider or partner. And I think that's really important of how Abaxx as an exchange Abaxx tech is going to evolve in time. And it's good foresight because I can tell you a lot of exchanges are very legacy tied to the original core tech providers. And it's like a spiderweb. Even if you want to disconnect from it, you realize that you can't. That it just became so embedded, systemically that, it's been very important to Josh and his development team to not allow that happen and be flexible for the future."

Abaxx made strategic investments in early stage software that showed promise, and then figured out an overarching strategy to fit disparate pieces together and create a more polished product that they could bring to market. Abaxx obtained these technologies by acquiring talent from the entity and paying that same entity in cash and stock.

blockchain technology originally developed by Operem. https://www.operem.com/ Abaxx owns 31.25% Operem + Operem Royalty Right Conversion (page 151 of 530 RTO document)
On the Abaxx December investor presentation (slide 32) they talk about intellectual property and smart contracts. That is definitely a reference to Operem in my opinion.


"On April 18, 2018, Abaxx entered into an investment agreement with Operem Inc. (the “Operem Investment Agreement”). Under the Operem Investment Agreement, Abaxx purchased 2,500,000 series A-1 preferred stock in Operem (“Operem Preferred Stock”) in exchange for $2,530,000 aggregate cash consideration and 2,750,000 Abaxx Common Shares, which were issued on May 3, 2018. Contingent upon certain conditions, Abaxx also agreed to purchase an additional 1,800,000 series A-2 Operem Preferred Stock up until November 15, 2018 as part of a second tranche financing (the “Operem Option”). On November 15, 2018, Abaxx chose not to exercise the Operem Option.

As part of the Operem Investment Agreement, Abaxx was also granted a royalty conversion right (the “Royalty Conversion Right”). The Royalty Conversion Right allows Abaxx to convert up to 4,300,000 Operem Preferred Stock into a revenue royalty percentage, at the rate of 860,000 Operem Preferred Stock for every 0.5% of a revenue royalty (the “Operem Royalty”). Abaxx Tech is the registered holder of the Operem Preferred Stock and the Operem Royalty. Through Abaxx Tech, Abaxx owns 2,500,000 Operem Preferred Stock (or approximately 31.25% of Operem) as of the date of this Disclosure Document.

Carlos Korten, joined Abaxx full-time in May 2018 as CTO then left somewhere in Dec 2019 - Mar 2020 to run Pasig and Hudson in Philippines. [" On April 11, 2018, Abaxx executed an investment agreement (the “Pasig & Hudson Investment Agreement”) whereby Abaxx purchased 1,972,649 ordinary shares in Pasig & Hudson (“Pasig & Hudson Shares”) in exchange for $250,000 aggregate cash consideration and 1,250,000 Abaxx Common Shares. The Pasig & Hudson Investment Agreement allowed Abaxx to subscribe for an additional 726,764 Pasig & Hudson Shares for aggregate cash consideration of $350,000 as part of a second tranche of financing, which was exercised by Abaxx. As at the date of this Disclosure Document, Abaxx holds 2,699,413 ordinary shares in Pasig & Hudson, representing 18% of the issued and outstanding shares of Pasig & Hudson].

Abaxx interest in Pasig & Hudson (Abaxx owns 18% equity stake in Pasig & Hudson) See GifMo
pasighudson.com/...

John Dutchak who worked for Pasig and Hudson from May 2015 till Feb 2020 accepted an offer from Abaxx and joined as a director of Engineering and Technology in Feb 2020. Abaxx hired 98Labs (a company with ~50-150 employees) to develop the messaging and blockchain technology.. This leads me to believe that the general contractor is still Pasig and Hudson.

The exchange/clearing technology is called TRADExpress and it is made by a Nasdaq subsidiary Cinnober.
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Smart Crowd SAFE https://www.smartcrowd.ae/ - Abaxx owns $2.2 million worth of shares divided by valuation at next fund raising event (page 151 & 152, of 530) On September 14, 2018, Abaxx entered into a simple agreement for future equity with Smart Crowd Holdings Limited (the “Smart Crowd SAFE”). Under the Smart Crowd SAFE, Abaxx contributed $140,000 to the capital of Smart Crowd (the “Smart Crowd Initial Investment”), whereby the Smart Crowd Initial Investment will convert into conversion shares upon certain triggering events, such as a SAFE Liquidity Event (defined below), an equity financing in excess of USD$750,000, or an insolvency event such as the dissolution of Smart Crowd. The conversion shares’ priority will be dependent on the event triggering conversion. If Smart Crowd raises at least $750,000 in equity 53 financing, the Smart Crowd Initial Investment will convert into the highest class of shares issued under that equity financing. If Smart Crowd experiences a liquidity event (“SAFE Liquidity Event”), being: (a) Smart Crowd or a shareholder entering into a binding agreement with a third party on arms’ length terms under which the third party is to acquire (other than by way of a subscription for new shares) beneficial ownership of 50% or more of the voting shares of Smart Crowd; (b) Smart Crowd enters into a binding agreement to dispose of assets comprising more than half the value of its assets, and that agreement become unconditional; (c) Smart Crowd resolves to amalgamate with any other company in a transaction that is in substance the same as described under (a) and (b); or (d) Smart Crowd enters into a listing agreement with a recognized stock exchange, then the Smart Crowd Initial Investment will convert into ordinary shares. Under the Smart Crowd SAFE, shareholders also have the option of converting investment dollars into shares via an option conversion event (“Option Conversion Event”), being the receipt by Smart Crowd of a notice signed by investors in the Smart Crowd SAFE representing at least 50% of the total investment amount. If the Smart Crowd Initial Investment is converted pursuant to an Option Conversion Event, Abaxx will receive the highest class of Smart Crowd shares in issue at the time. The number of Smart Crowd conversion shares that Abaxx will receive will equal the Valuation Cap divided by the Fully Diluted Capitalization (as defined below) immediately prior to the event that triggers conversion. Fully diluted capitalization (“Fully Diluted Capitalization”) means the number of issued and outstanding Smart Crowd common shares on the date of the triggering event and the valuation cap (“Valuation Cap”) is defined as USD$2,200,000.

Politik (valuation unclear) Acquired for talent.

Abaxx owns NML Iron Ore Legacy Assets from RTO.
LabMag, KeMag, Millennium Iron Range Taconite Properties, NML Port of Sept-Illes assets (around $8 million CAD), Tacora Port Royalty ($0.10 per tonne on a 6 million tonne per year project = cash flow of $600k Canadian).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sovereign_identity
 

Bogey

Banned
I'm sorry, I instinctively ignore the argument of anyone who brings this up. Every currency is used illegal activity. To hold that against bitcoin, and not against say, the dollar, is ridiculous.

Uhm.. No?

Have you ever transfered a significant amount of money? Paid in or taken out a large amount of cash from any bank account?

There is massive legislation and regulatory requirements dealing specifically with money laundering and terrorist financing applying to absolutely any institution that would allow you to actually convert or use your USD.
That won't prevent 100 percent of it, but its quite effective. And if any institution does a sloppy job there, boy are there some fines. Hundreds of millions in several cases.

Now compare that with crypto, where there's.. Just absolutely nothing. Zero. And no accountability whatsoever either.

So, it's either catching not all, but the majority of such cases, versus catching zero percent of them.
 
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joe_zazen

Member
No one wants to lose money with me? oh well.

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I want 10K but the price movement today makes me think low $3s might be done and thats all I want to pay. tho anonymous buyers picking up shares today instead of selling, always a good sign.

Any suggestions for the next defi co I can obsess over?
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
Remember in The Office when Michael asks Oscar to explain a budget surplus, as if Michael we're a child?

Should I buy this now?
 

joe_zazen

Member
Remember in The Office when Michael asks Oscar to explain a budget surplus, as if Michael we're a child?

Should I buy this now?

buy what? Abxx? I am a rando who has a stake in the company, so my advice is tainted. I stand by all the research I did prior to purchase, so feel free to use that. More importantly though, it can be used as a real world example to fintech defi. That is the future. It is complicated and it will leave a lot of people behind, so I recommend anyone who invests keep abreast.

Still, I am hoping someone joins me on the abxx ride. :p Also hoping others bring other defi companies they find to be dissected.

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Just an update on one of the competing firms from my breakdown:

Triterras Fintech is facing a classaction lawsuit because they did not divulge information that harmed investors. Share price has gone from $16-$18 to $6-$8. They went public through the super popular SPAC method (special purpose acquisition company).

Traditional RTO: private company with a real business buys a listed company that is moribund. The old shareholders exchanges shares for money and/or equity. Quicker and less red tape than an IPO, but still involves lots of due diligence and outside oversight. e.g. Abxx's RTO was overseen by an investment bank.

SPAC RTO: SPAC is a listed company on an exchange that has only two things 1)money 2)names that attract money. They look for a private company to merge with, then the SPAC becomes that new company. There were like 300 in January and for 2020 800 in total, so they are everywhere now. Cramer called them "a joke on investors by the super rich" https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-celebrity-spacs-consider-shaq-222007933.html

this was one I was following before I knew much about spacs. And there are undoubtedly good ones, but be careful.

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joe_zazen

Member
Y'all should look into NFT projects. DeFi is quite old in the crypto community now.

NFTs are part of defi (financial products and services built on decentralized permission-less blockchains). The future is bright esp when we get Self Sovereign ID wallets.
 
Uhm.. No?

Have you ever transfered a significant amount of money? Paid in or taken out a large amount of cash from any bank account?

There is massive legislation and regulatory requirements dealing specifically with money laundering and terrorist financing applying to absolutely any institution that would allow you to actually convert or use your USD.
That won't prevent 100 percent of it, but its quite effective. And if any institution does a sloppy job there, boy are there some fines. Hundreds of millions in several cases.

Now compare that with crypto, where there's.. Just absolutely nothing. Zero. And no accountability whatsoever either.

So, it's either catching not all, but the majority of such cases, versus catching zero percent of them.
Reading this makes me think you have never signed up for a cryptocurrency exchange; They are more regulated than you would imagine, KYC/AML restrictions are taken extremely serious.. They want pretty much ALL information about you except for actual DNA.

You realize every transaction is on a PUBLIC ledger (blockchain), for majority of cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin. It is not hard to tie a wallet address to a user, regardless of how many different wallets they send it too you can always track it back to the original wallet which is tied to whomever identity.

Compare that to cash, where it change hands with 0 records being taken. You can also compare stuff like, JP Morgan being charged with manipulating the silver market for over 15+ years. If that were to be taking place on a public blockchain, it would have been caught many years prior.

Do your own actual research before you immediately say there is no accountability, when it seems you don't even understand how the technology even works.
 

Bogey

Banned
Reading this makes me think you have never signed up for a cryptocurrency exchange; They are more regulated than you would imagine, KYC/AML restrictions are taken extremely serious.. They want pretty much ALL information about you except for actual DNA.

Yes, very very seriously.

Except for all the non kyc exchanges of course. Including the world's largest exchange, binance. Not even going into off-exchange transactions.

As for wallets, you'll already be well aware those keys are freely creatable at will. And that mixing is a thing. Good luck trying to tie a one-time used key cashed in over an anonymous venue to any particular person.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Going to post some stuff on wallets today, but a quick update on abbx.

They moved from otcpink (think guy in the back of a van) to otcqb yesterday, so a big 20-30% bump. But they also filed for prospectus on sedar which means a $10M cap raise soon (new shares) and Coin and HODL sign RTO agreement, which mean's coin's abxx 1M shares will be on the market in the next 120 days. So lots of volatility in the next month or two. I love it!
 
Yes, very very seriously.

Except for all the non kyc exchanges of course. Including the world's largest exchange, binance. Not even going into off-exchange transactions.

As for wallets, you'll already be well aware those keys are freely creatable at will. And that mixing is a thing. Good luck trying to tie a one-time used key cashed in over an anonymous venue to any particular person.
You are missing the point, anytime you are going from; Fiat to Crypto, or Crypto to Fiat you are going to encounter KYC. Sure on Binance you can send along your Bitcoin and buy other coins with bitcoin, but if you are doing any transactions TO or FROM fiat you will have to provide KYC information.

Wherever you originally bought that Bitcoin or other crypto from, with your fiat, has your identity information; Many companies such as pretty much the most well known, Chainalysis specializes in this. Sure mixers are a thing, but there is no serious volume there. If you wanted to mix 5 Mill worth of Bitcoin, you would likely just get your money stolen. Even if they did mix the coins, you can still see that it was sent to a address that is used by said mixer.

Bitcoin, and majority of other cryptos are PUBLIC LEDGERS. Everyone, everywhere can see what transactions are made, by who and where too.
 

joe_zazen

Member
SSID (Self Sovereign ID) Part 1
  • SSID is a lifetime portable identity for any person, organization, or thing that does not depend on any centralized authority and can never be taken away.

The 3 models of online identification

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Make an account using name and passcode. I have hundreds. You have no control, and can be removed anytime. Much fraud.

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Here you insert a third party like FB/Google/twitter/linkedin to federate and mange your logins and information sharing. You now only have to remember a few logins. In exchange, you have zero control over your data and are under surveillance by a corporation. You can still be removed at any time for any reason.

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This is the new paradigm. You are in control and an equal, first class partner. There is no central org, no one harvesting data, and they cannot make you disappear. The use of the blockchain allows cryptographic keys to be stored and authenticated, which allows trust between you and your peer.


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In this model, you get a secure electronic 'wallet', which can be stored on a device or remotely on a distributed network. In this wallet, you keep your various credentials. You no longer create accounts, rather you form a two-way connections.

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Just like with a regular wallet, you obtain credentials from some credential issuer, like a passport or a creditcard, and you put them in your wallet.

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Then, when you go to other peers where you need to prove trust, you show those credentials and they show theirs. Your passports, credit cards, drivers licenses, health care, loyalty cards can all move into your digital wallet.

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To get this done, there has to be 4 open standards which cannot be controlled by any organization.

More detail in next post.
 

joe_zazen

Member
SSID Part 2: Decentralized Identifiers and Verifiable Credentials

I am going to go over the two most important concepts in ssid in greater detail here. These two things are at the heart of the web 3.0 revolution.

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1/DID-decentralized identifiers
  • Each DID will give you a lifetime encrypted private channel with another person, organization, or thing
  • You will use it not just to prove your identity, but to exchange verifiable digital credentials
  • You will have not just one DID, but thousands
Decentralized identifiers are the cryptographic counterpart to verifiable credentials (VCs) that together are the “twin pillars” of SSI standardization.To understand DID, we need to define a few other terms first.​
globally-unique identifier: a string of characters that identifies a resource. A resource is literally anything that can be identified, from a web page to a person to a planet. The technical standard is Uniform Resource Identifier (URI).
For example, for a website URL (Uniform Resource Locator), the resource is a specific page on that site. Every single resource available on the Web has a URL—web page, file, image, video, database record, and so on. It’s not “on the Web” if it doesn’t have a URL. A URL is one type of URI.
Why do we need the distinction between URIs and URLs if everything on the Web has a URL? Because we also need to identify resources that are not on the Web. People, places, planets—all the things for which we had names long before the Internet even existed. All of these are resources that we often need to refer to on the Web without the resource actually being represented on the Web.​
In Web architecture the subclass of URIs reserved for persistent identifiers are called Uniform Resource Names (URNs).

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URLs and URNs are both subclasses of URIs—URLs always point to representations of resources on the Web, whereas URNs are persistent names for any resource, on or off the Web​
Now we can define DIDs.​
  • a DID is a URI that can be either a URL or a URN and that can be looked up (“resolved”) to get a standardized set of information (“metadata”) about the resource identified by the DID.
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No identifier in history has had all four of those properties. What enables DIDs is blockchain technology.​
2/Verifiable credentials (VC)
A credential is a thing that proves something, eg prescriptions, paper diploma, plastic bank card, driver's licence.​
The internet governing body (World Wide Web Consortium/W3C) has created and implemented an open VC standard.That standard will convert the physical VCs produced today into digital VCs, so that you can carry them around in your mobile phones, tablets, laptops, and other devices and use them online by simply pointing and clicking the screen.​
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DIDS and VCs are going to cause a radical transformation of how we interact on the web. It might take 2 years or 20, but things are a-changing.​
 
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joe_zazen

Member
a repost from politics section:
We are seeing the next quantum shift in the internet right now (see this thread if curious). Digital currencies are coming, and there will be losers.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/03/21/chinas-digital-currency-poses-threat-west/

It looks like we will soon know what our great and noble leaders have planned:

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-digital-dollar-momentum-worries-wall-street

There is lots of other changes coming as well, I detail some here

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