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A huge purchase is imminent within 1 month from now

Bryank75

Banned
Only daft xbox fanboys are this ignorant to keep the "sony can't afford shit" narrative. It's the only way they can sleep at night lol.


On-topic: this rumor reeks of BS, they just sit there and throw out "I know something that is huge!! I mean huge! purchase like it's really really huge!!" Without naming specifics but randomly say they know a big publisher purchase is coming.

I think you're absolutely correct.

I think it's just attention seeking, although I would personally love Sony to buy Square specifically.
 
If by some chance it is true then the fact that he's giving no hints at all would perhaps suggest that it's involving publicly listed companies, which doesn't really narrow it down in any useful way at all.
 

Zones

Member
Defense acquisitions? Lol, what are you talking about? They are breaking gaming history records, so they don't give a fuck about MS getting some acquisitions that won't affect them at all, because the studios who MS bought only made a small portion of the revenue generated by their platforms.
Dude, I think you misunderstood what a defensive acquisition is and what I was implying.

Basically, a defensive acquisition (as defined by Investopedia) is "a corporate finance strategy that consists of companies acquiring other companies and assets as a "defense" against market downturns or possible takeovers. A defensive acquisition contrasts with the normal impetus for an acquisition, which is usually increased market share or revenue."

In this instance, I implied that Sony probably didn't need to acquire Insomniac Games or Housemarque right away since they were long-term partners already, but Sony expediated the purchase of these studios simply in fear of them being acquired by a richer company like MS or Tencent.

Maybe Microsoft are not evil?. I'd much rather Microsoft and Sony gobble up everyone than Tencent, or Amazon etc, sticking games soley on their streaming service or something. Atleast with Microsoft and Sony we will still get games in the traditional sense, and in Microsfts case on PC day and date too.
I didn't imply Microsoft is bad or evil, but the act of acquiring third party gaming studios for the sole reason to stop releasing their games on PlayStation (or Switch) may be perceived as anti-consumer/bad/evil by most people if the media wasn't so adamant on the false narrative that 3rd party studio acquisitions (from one of the big three) is somehow just business as usual.

It's a false narrative because the only time Sony did what MS is doing now is from the purchase of Psygnosis back in 1993 when they just entered the gaming industry, and Nintendo last did something like that back in 2007 when they purchased Monolith Soft to help them transition to HD. So you have to be unbelievably disingenuous in order to equate what MS is doing now with how Sony/Nintendo conduct their gaming business.

You literally forgot Embracer Group.
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See SaucyJack SaucyJack 's comment for further clarification.
Also lol at implying Sony acquiring Nixxes was a "defense acquisition". They even outright came out and said that was for more PC ports, who's forcing or threatening Sony from porting games to PC?

Wait, does this mean by your own logic, Sony would internally want to port more games to PC and they feared they couldn't do that if someone for whatever reason acquired Nixxes?

Some people just love to destroy their own bad logic within sentences of each other huh? :pie_thinking:
I am sorry, but ONLY the biggest and most desperate Xbox fanboys try to disingenuously bring Nixxes into this conversation as if a near no-name PC port specialized studio is even remotely relevant to what everyone's talking about here in this topic.

I was very clearly referring to game development studios like Housemarque / Insomniac Games / Next Level Games when I was talking about defensive acquisitions... You know, studios that actually MAKE games.

But I am sure you knew that already.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Phil Spencer was still in charge of Xbox in 2014, the fact that his reporting line changed in 2017 doesn’t change that fact.
Matt Booty is in charge of first party studios, but ultimately its Phil who decides where to spend their money. Back then it was Terry Myerson who made all the financial decisions of Windows and Devices group. If he decides they don't want to throw money at Platinum, Phil can't say no. After all why didn't they make any grand studio acquisitions before Xbox became its own division?
 

SaucyJack

Member
Matt Booty is in charge of first party studios, but ultimately its Phil who decides where to spend their money. Back then it was Terry Myerson who made all the financial decisions of Windows and Devices group. If he decides they don't want to throw money at Platinum, Phil can't say no. After all why didn't they make any grand studio acquisitions before Xbox became its own division?

Jeez, the lengths people will go to to absolve Phil of any responsibility for the shit he was responsible for 🤷‍♂️

Titles change and business divisions combine, split and reorganise, and can be hard to keep up with, but basically …..

Prior to 2014 Spencer was head of first party reporting to Don Mattrick, the head of Xbox. IIRC Mattrick reported to Ballmer and not Sinofsky or Larson-Green.

Windows and Devices, under Myerson, wasn’t formed until 2015. Spencer became head of Xbox in 2014, a year later reporting to Myerson. In 2017, when Windows and Devices was broken up, on Myerson's departure, he was promoted reporting directly to Nadella, but his remit didn’t really change.

Regardless of that, Phil Spencer has been the head honcho for all things Xbox since 2014. Period.

Since 2018 Spencer’s old job is held by Matt Booty, but that’s irrelevant.
 

SSfox

Member
If someone buy Capcom someday they own gaming forever.

That said there have been many rumours around WB purshase so maybe that's that.
 
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Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Jeez, the lengths people will go to to absolve Phil of any responsibility for the shit he was responsible for 🤷‍♂️

Titles change and business divisions combine, split and reorganise, and can be hard to keep up with, but basically …..

Prior to 2014 Spencer was head of first party reporting to Don Mattrick, the head of Xbox. IIRC Mattrick reported to Ballmer and not Sinofsky or Larson-Green.

Windows and Devices, under Myerson, wasn’t formed until 2015. Spencer became head of Xbox in 2014, a year later reporting to Myerson. In 2017, when Windows and Devices was broken up, on Myerson's departure, he was promoted reporting directly to Nadella, but his remit didn’t really change.

Regardless of that, Phil Spencer has been the head honcho for all things Xbox since 2014. Period.

Since 2018 Spencer’s old job is held by Matt Booty, but that’s irrelevant.
Atleast get your facts right before blaming others.
He's in charge of Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox. Can he make it all work?

By Adrianne Jeffries - Jul 12, 2013, 10:30am EDT
Xbox was always part of Windows division. In 2015, Microsoft Devices group(Surface, Hololens etc.) was merged into Windows division forming Windows and Devices group.
 

PhaseJump

Banned
GAF. Quit being fucking retarded.

Phil has a free hand on the Xbox budget now. Microsoft is willing to spend a fortune on gaming for the long term now. You can't invent reasons as to why or how they can, or can't make acquisitions in the industry.

Whoever replaces Phil when he retires will also be in the same position, to be capable of instajibbing half of the publishers that Sony can't even afford with a BFG firing bags of money. The real fanboy threat will be when this Phil replacement shows up and he's more of a Seamus Blackley type. A competitive person who is willing to ramp up the console warrior shit.
 

SaucyJack

Member
Atleast get your facts right before blaming others.

Xbox was always part of Windows division. In 2015, Microsoft Devices group(Surface, Hololens etc.) was merged into Windows division forming Windows and Devices group.

You’re not right either btw 😏

Myerson and Larson-Green both reported to Sinofsky, who was in charge of Windows division. The article you linked is about Myerson being in charge of Windows operating system group (on which Xbox runs) not the Windows division itself.

I may be wrong but I seem to remember Xbox previously being part of an Interactive Entertainment Division under Mattrick reporting to Ballmer. This stuff reorganises frequently. Windows and Devices has been reformed after being split up a few years back. But none of this executive musical chairs or corporate restructuring is important to the original point several posts ago about Scalebound. You appear to be wilfully ignoring how decision making in large corporations works to try and absolve the head of Xbox from accountability for decisions made about Xbox.

The development of Scalebound, by Platinum Games, as a third party Xbox exclusive was green lit whilst Mattrick was in charge of Xbox. It then ran for 3+ years, before being canned whilst Spencer was in charge. You seem to be suggesting that Myerson would be telling Spencer what to do here, but that's pretty unlikely. Reality would be that Spencer would be getting his budgets and investments approved but would be making the day to day decisions himself, he was a senior executive and this was his accountability. The monitoring of the project and the call to cancel it, possibly on the recommendation of his own team, was his decision. Sure he may have needed the decision endorsed, he probably also got his arse kicked in a management meeting, but it was still his accountability.

edit: Larson-Green succeeded Sinofksy in 2012 before the Windows Division was split into two parts, one headed by Myerson (Windows software operating group) and the other Larson-Green (Devices and Studio Engineering). This came together again in 2015.
 
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Bryank75

Banned
GAF. Quit being fucking retarded.

Phil has a free hand on the Xbox budget now. Microsoft is willing to spend a fortune on gaming for the long term now. You can't invent reasons as to why or how they can, or can't make acquisitions in the industry.

Whoever replaces Phil when he retires will also be in the same position, to be capable of instajibbing half of the publishers that Sony can't even afford with a BFG firing bags of money. The real fanboy threat will be when this Phil replacement shows up and he's more of a Seamus Blackley type. A competitive person who is willing to ramp up the console warrior shit.

They can spend billions and billions, they can empty their accounts.... they will still never make Xbox a global brand.
It's a north america only thing.

All they achieved by buying Zenimax was cutting off large geographical areas from their games..... I'm not buying an Xbox for those games LOL.
I have plenty to play on my Switch and PS5.

'to all that fortune, death and danger dare, / Even for an eggshell' - Fortinbras (Hamlet)
 

FStubbs

Member
They can spend billions and billions, they can empty their accounts.... they will still never make Xbox a global brand.
It's a north america only thing.

All they achieved by buying Zenimax was cutting off large geographical areas from their games..... I'm not buying an Xbox for those games LOL.
I have plenty to play on my Switch and PS5.

'to all that fortune, death and danger dare, / Even for an eggshell' - Fortinbras (Hamlet)
This basically. If Microsoft bought up every single third party, the rest of the world would simply only play first party games going forward.

"Remember that thing called FIFA?" "yeah, they don't make it anymore, sad"
 
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Zathalus

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They can spend billions and billions, they can empty their accounts.... they will still never make Xbox a global brand.
It's a north america only thing.

All they achieved by buying Zenimax was cutting off large geographical areas from their games..... I'm not buying an Xbox for those games LOL.
I have plenty to play on my Switch and PS5.

'to all that fortune, death and danger dare, / Even for an eggshell' - Fortinbras (Hamlet)
Xbox is a global brand. Sure it gets outsold by Playstation and Nintendo, but it still sells millions of consoles outside of North America.

As long as the hardware and games are there, a console will be successful. Xbox shot itself in the foot at the start of the previous generation, but it is not repeating the same mistakes as before.

Do I think Xbox will become the market leader this generation? No. Do I think they will gain ground against Playstation? Yes.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Xbox is a global brand. Sure it gets outsold by Playstation and Nintendo, but it still sells millions of consoles outside of North America.

As long as the hardware and games are there, a console will be successful. Xbox shot itself in the foot at the start of the previous generation, but it is not repeating the same mistakes as before.

Do I think Xbox will become the market leader this generation? No. Do I think they will gain ground against Playstation? Yes.

Xbox has two markets in reality, UK/US and some regions in Europe. Outside of that they have hardly any presence WW. Nintendo and Sony are larger more WW recognized.
 

Perrott

Gold Member
Nah, they have had a rough run of it. They took on too many projects, and because of Nintendo's contract on top of outside forces their work for Gran Blu Fantasy was cut, and redone. They couldn't commit to the entire game which I HAD HEARD the producers of that title wanted them to actually finish it. But other forces from parent company that owns that franchise wanted the game to fit in with their mobile versions in terms of how combat looked and how the game looked.

When PG was working on Gran Blue it had a more cell shaded asthetic, and I guess some people from higher ups were not ok with that it looked too departed from their mobile. So they took PG off the project, which at the time PG was stretched thin, that other game they were making( Babylon's Fall) looks like utter shit because more people were working on gran blue and Restarting Bayonetta 3. I heard B3 switched engines, and also that they hit a wall on switch to get 60fps.

So let's say they may have a new dev kit they are using.
Very interesting, especially those bits on the development of Scalebound and the Granblue project you talked about in later posts. I had heard that Platinum was in a troubled situation internally because of Kamiya and the absolutely terrible management at the studio and that Bayonetta 3 was struggling as a result of that, but not to this extent. Great insight as always, thanks for sharing.
[...] if we were playing fantasy mergers and acquisitions one could assume that given that Music got the biggest investments in the last cycle, streaming just had a big investment and films wouldn't seem they best place to invest right now that the lion's share of the $18 billion over the next 3 years could go to gaming, which is also the most important division right now.

So let’s assume that they have $10 billion of the 18 to spend, over 3 years, what might that look like? Well that could be one big publisher, e.g. Square Enix or Capcom AND a couple of medium one e,g, Kadokawa plus the gaming assets of Konami AND a whole bunch of studios.

Not saying they’ll do this, but thats the sort of money they have available to invest in gaming just now.
Yeah, your reasoning is... pretty accurate I'd say.
 
Xbox is a global brand. Sure it gets outsold by Playstation and Nintendo, but it still sells millions of consoles outside of North America.

As long as the hardware and games are there, a console will be successful. Xbox shot itself in the foot at the start of the previous generation, but it is not repeating the same mistakes as before.

Do I think Xbox will become the market leader this generation? No. Do I think they will gain ground against Playstation? Yes.
Or the market will grow, but either way I agree.
 

Zathalus

Member
Xbox has two markets in reality, UK/US and some regions in Europe. Outside of that they have hardly any presence WW. Nintendo and Sony are larger more WW recognized.
Xbox is popular in Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, and Australia as well as the US, Canada and the UK. It has sold millions in western Europe as well.

It is not as popular as Playstation (and I never suggested otherwise), but it is a global brand.
 
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Bryank75

Banned
Xbox is a global brand. Sure it gets outsold by Playstation and Nintendo, but it still sells millions of consoles outside of North America.

As long as the hardware and games are there, a console will be successful. Xbox shot itself in the foot at the start of the previous generation, but it is not repeating the same mistakes as before.

Do I think Xbox will become the market leader this generation? No. Do I think they will gain ground against Playstation? Yes.

They hardly have any market share in europe...maybe 10-15% in SOME countries.... in some European countries it's as low as 5%.

Middle-East... some stores don't even stock Xbox.

Japan and Asia... well, we know what happens there.

Calling Xbox a global brand in my opinion is being generous.
It's catalog, marketing and branding are all NA focused, the fans also perpetuate that.
 

Interfectum

Member
They hardly have any market share in europe...maybe 10-15% in SOME countries.... in some European countries it's as low as 5%.

Middle-East... some stores don't even stock Xbox.

Japan and Asia... well, we know what happens there.

Calling Xbox a global brand in my opinion is being generous.
It's catalog, marketing and branding are all NA focused, the fans also perpetuate that.
Things change fast in the console industry. Sony isn't doing so hot in Japan anymore and MS is literally at the start of rebooting the Xbox brand. We have no idea how big it will grow yet.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Things change fast in the console industry. Sony isn't doing so hot in Japan anymore and MS is literally at the start of rebooting the Xbox brand. We have no idea how big it will grow yet.

They'll still hit 10 million in a generation...they are at about 1 million total sales there already. That would match PS4, which isn't bad at all.

If you think Xbox is going anywhere in any of the regions I mentioned, just have a look at the sales difference already.

I think Xbox could gain ground in USA and Canada, where they seem to have all the media on their side right now and a huge marketing a promotional push for Gamepass.... and as North America is the biggest single market, that would be great for Xbox.

I think they will do much better than last gen but I just don't see them making much headway outside America. No offense meant to the Xbox fans here.
 
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See SaucyJack SaucyJack 's comment for further clarification.

I am sorry, but ONLY the biggest and most desperate Xbox fanboys try to disingenuously bring Nixxes into this conversation as if a near no-name PC port specialized studio is even remotely relevant to what everyone's talking about here in this topic.

I was very clearly referring to game development studios like Housemarque / Insomniac Games / Next Level Games when I was talking about defensive acquisitions... You know, studios that actually MAKE games.

But I am sure you knew that already.

You know what's pathetic? That whenever someone disagrees with you, you resort to calling them a fanboy almost immediately. That's some 12-year-old maturity level, right there.

Your further explanation makes zero sense either because who exactly were vying to buy out those other studios other than Sony? Insomniac sold for $250 million; common sense would tell you that if other companies were involved in trying to buy them, they'd of sold for MUCH higher than that. But because you want to hold on to this dumb "defensive acquisition" stuff (as if Sony's some poor little child who has to fend for their lives), of course you skipped right over that fact.

Get over it; there were no "defensive acquisitions", just acquisitions. You're simply trying to draw an arbitrary sand in the line so you can cheerlead for a certain major conglomerate's acquisition moves over another. Tell me what was so "defensive" about Sony buying Crunchyroll, when they already owned Funimation? Oh, you can't even begin to use this silly "defensive acquisition" made-up talking point for that one, huh?

Like I said, get over it and grow up, stop thinking like a kid in a grown person's business world. An acquisition's an acquisition and trying to frame one as "defensive", especially in the context of Sony's purchases, simply to make it seem more "innocent" or virtuous than a competitor's is outright dumb.
 

PhaseJump

Banned
They can spend billions and billions, they can empty their accounts.... they will still never make Xbox a global brand.
It's a north america only thing.

All they achieved by buying Zenimax was cutting off large geographical areas from their games..... I'm not buying an Xbox for those games LOL.
I have plenty to play on my Switch and PS5.

'to all that fortune, death and danger dare, / Even for an eggshell' - Fortinbras (Hamlet)

Yeah, but I mean... you're clearly a retarded fanboy who wouldn't buy an Xbox to begin with, and you're weighing in on predicting whether or not they can be a global brand? Why? To stir the shit pot on a forum, stating the obvious? Big fucking deal all around. They're indisputably selling the cheapest entry point for people trying to play the contemporary multi-plat console games, and by buying Zenimax they have locked up exclusive games and popular IP to the platform which they can extend to new regions in the future.

They could fuck things up and not expand at all, too. Who fucking cares? I live in North America. Why should I give a shit about Xbox, globally?

Xbox consoles won't win some imaginary console wars or somehow get rid of Playstation. It will provide a backbone service to gaming on multiple platforms, and once they start to take in some Japanese studios, fanboys will be crying and shitting their pants to arm themselves with projectile crap to throw about all of it.
 

iHaunter

Member
Matt Booty is in charge of first party studios, but ultimately its Phil who decides where to spend their money. Back then it was Terry Myerson who made all the financial decisions of Windows and Devices group. If he decides they don't want to throw money at Platinum, Phil can't say no. After all why didn't they make any grand studio acquisitions before Xbox became its own division?
Who was the clown that marketed XB1 as a "Media" device?
 
They'll still hit 10 million in a generation...they are at about 1 million total sales there already. That would match PS4, which isn't bad at all.

Yet software sales for PS5 in Japan are much worst than PS4 or especially PS3, let alone PS2. Those would be greater indicators of future console sales trends and where said trends could lead, because why would people keep buying consoles if they aren't apparently buying games for them?

And FWIW, Japan still seems like a predominantly physical-orientated region, going by Switch software sales there.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic. Let's try to stick with the thread title.
 
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Michele

you.
If it's Microsoft doing the purchases I do hope it's SEGA. With the state SEGA's newest MMORPG Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis has been in, let's hope that purchase will change something
 

Bryank75

Banned
Yet software sales for PS5 in Japan are much worst than PS4 or especially PS3, let alone PS2. Those would be greater indicators of future console sales trends and where said trends could lead, because why would people keep buying consoles if they aren't apparently buying games for them?

And FWIW, Japan still seems like a predominantly physical-orientated region, going by Switch software sales there.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic. Let's try to stick with the thread title.

How would they compete in software sales with one million PS5's against 20 million switch's??

Switch has the headstart by a few years.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
You’re not right either btw 😏

Myerson and Larson-Green both reported to Sinofsky, who was in charge of Windows division. The article you linked is about Myerson being in charge of Windows operating system group (on which Xbox runs) not the Windows division itself.

I may be wrong but I seem to remember Xbox previously being part of an Interactive Entertainment Division under Mattrick reporting to Ballmer. This stuff reorganises frequently. Windows and Devices has been reformed after being split up a few years back. But none of this executive musical chairs or corporate restructuring is important to the original point several posts ago about Scalebound. You appear to be wilfully ignoring how decision making in large corporations works to try and absolve the head of Xbox from accountability for decisions made about Xbox.

The development of Scalebound, by Platinum Games, as a third party Xbox exclusive was green lit whilst Mattrick was in charge of Xbox. It then ran for 3+ years, before being canned whilst Spencer was in charge. You seem to be suggesting that Myerson would be telling Spencer what to do here, but that's pretty unlikely. Reality would be that Spencer would be getting his budgets and investments approved but would be making the day to day decisions himself, he was a senior executive and this was his accountability. The monitoring of the project and the call to cancel it, possibly on the recommendation of his own team, was his decision. Sure he may have needed the decision endorsed, he probably also got his arse kicked in a management meeting, but it was still his accountability.

edit: Larson-Green succeeded Sinofksy in 2012 before the Windows Division was split into two parts, one headed by Myerson (Windows software operating group) and the other Larson-Green (Devices and Studio Engineering). This came together again in 2015.
You appear to be wilfully ignoring how decision making in large corporations works to try and absolve the head of Xbox from accountability for decisions made about Xbox.
And you are ignoring that 2018 onwards they went on a buying spree more than quadrupling their studio count.
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What was preventing Phil to make these decisions before he became a senior executive?
Who was the clown that marketed XB1 as a "Media" device?
The guy who left, who is also a fan favorite of certain GAF posters. Now who decided that Xbox should focus more on the "Power of Cloud" in line with the company's cloud focus? They thought a guy who didn't have faith in Xbox brand should be the head of Xbox. They all left with Xbox One launch.
 
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FrankieSab

Member
The rumor that is getting back once again, is Microsoft will be buying Take two. Would be very $$$$ and would shake the deck of cards a lot!
 

Dabaus

Banned
The rumor that is getting back once again, is Microsoft will be buying Take two. Would be very $$$$ and would shake the deck of cards a lot!
That would probably be at least a 30 billion dollar and GTA 6 is 3-4 years out. Itd be a big move and make headlines but in terms of actual substance it wouldnt change the trajectory of how this generation will go. With that said I dont believe that.
 

FrankieSab

Member
That would probably be at least a 30 billion dollar and GTA 6 is 3-4 years out. Itd be a big move and make headlines but in terms of actual substance it wouldnt change the trajectory of how this generation will go. With that said I dont believe that.
Not sure I beleive that either, but it's a rumor. Next GTA only on XBOX will not change the generation, come on...
 

Dabaus

Banned
Not sure I beleive that either, but it's a rumor. Next GTA only on XBOX will not change the generation, come on...
Not if its 3-4 years out it wont. If anything if ps5 keeps the sales ratio that its doing it will hurt gta as a franchise more than it will help xbox.
 
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FrankieSab

Member
Not if its 3-4 years out it wont. If anything if ps5 keeps the sales ratio that its doing it will hurt gta as a franchise more than it will help xbox.
Do not agree, GTA is bigger than any Playstation franchise. 3 or 4 years is in this generation? XBox is not only a console, so if you are talking about consoles sales, I am not into this conversation.
 
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