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Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I am constantly and consistently amazed at how America continues to be perfectly alright paying out millions upon millions for something the rest of us get free or cheap… and the most important thing in every single human being’s life to boot.
It's important for corporations which are people to exercise their freedom of expression which is money to bribe our politicians with campaign contributions which is speech into letting them gouge us which is legal because freedom is the bestest thing ever which is obviously the most optimal system because we're the only ones doing it so it must be right.
 

FireFly

Member
Nice of you to omit all the other stuff that was said for some sweet snark points.
I mean that was the focus of the video and what they spent the majority of the time discussing. None of their other points were sourced, and there are no sources in the video description. Which I find funny since the video was objecting to us taking Bill Gate's word on anything, because he isn't a qualified epidemiologist, yet the same hosts somehow expect us to take their word, because they are qualified news announcers/comedians? Anyway, the main points I can identify:

- Bill Gates shouldn't be considered an authority on epidemiology, because he isn't a qualified epidemiologist. True, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered an authority on running vaccination programs, since his foundation works extensively with the global Vaccine Alliance.
- Bill Gates stopped the AstraZenica vaccine from being given away for free. [Citation needed] However, it seems the Gates Foundation persuaded Oxford to work with AstraZenica to produce the vaccine, rather than giving away the IP for free. (https://web.archive.org/web/2021120.../23/world/bill-gates-vaccine-coronavirus.html) However this misses the fact that AstraZenica is selling the vaccine at cost to poor countries, and that it is being given away for free through COVAX, which the Gates foundation is also funding.
- Bill Gates is wrong to suggest that having 80% - 90% vaccine coverage will do anything. Ironic that the hosts completely ignore the effect of the vaccines on reducing hospitalisations/deaths, to focus on cases. Maybe not everyone is ok with ~1500 people dying daily in the US?
 

plushyp

Member
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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
running joke at my work is that CDC stands for Cant disrupt Capitalism; people are not happy about these changes. personally I think it's good. the 10 day window is unsustainable, half of people arent even on the same page, and health care workers have been sent in to die since day 1 and still aren't being compensated so this is nothing different in my eyes. I'm not blaming anyone, it's a systematic failure from the ground up. my hospital is once again an internal disaster in what seems to be a never ending tsunami; the harsh reality that noone is talking about that I want to scream like Leo Dicaprio in Dont Look Up is the real possibility that if you get sick, nobody is going to take care, you might die from neglect, and nobody will be held accountable. I have seen this with my two eyes. Get the vaccine or get fucked, essentially. /rant
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
For a given hospitalisation rate, doubling the number of infected will double the number of hospitalisations. SA is ok because the number of infections already peaked, and the UK is currently ok because infections are not so far ahead of where Delta was.

No, this is entirely incorrect. 1 infection does not equal 1 hospitalization, because not everyone gets sick enough as a result to have symptoms, let alone be hospitalized for it. Hospitalizations are a fractional derivative of infections, so no it cannot correlate equally.

However if the containment protocol demands that for every worker who tests positive, every other colleague who's been in close contact with them must isolate along with them, you are looking at multiplicative losses to staffing per infection and consequently service to society.

On top of that, not every hospitalization case is equally burdensome. It all begins and ends with the severity of the disease, an incidental finding of infection on an unrelated admission may tally the same on the stats, but its not the same as a lengthy stay in an ICU or oxygen ward either in terms of risk to the patient or the resource cost for their treatment.

And again no, daily infections are already way higher than the delta peak in the UK.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member

The CDC significantly reduced its estimate for how prevalent the omicron variant of COVID-19 was in the United States earlier in December, saying on Tuesday that the omicron variant was responsible for 22.5% of all new cases for the week ending December 18 after previously saying the omicron variant was responsible for 73.2% of all new cases for the same week.

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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future



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"not the alarming 73.2% that it had originally estimated last week."
Higher percentage is less alarming. 100% Omicron is the best possible outcome, not the worst. The backwards revision means that Delta is still going strong and was a major part of the recent uptick in cases.
 

FireFly

Member
No, this is entirely incorrect. 1 infection does not equal 1 hospitalization, because not everyone gets sick enough as a result to have symptoms, let alone be hospitalized for it. Hospitalizations are a fractional derivative of infections, so no it cannot correlate equally.
I never said that it does, and it doesn't need to. Say the hospitalisation rate is 0.5%, so that on average 0.5% of people infected become hospitalised.

1.) If 1000 people become infected, how many people in total would we expect to become hospitalised?
2.) If 2000 people become infected, how many people in total would we expect to become hospitalised?
3.) If 4000 people become infected, how many people in total would we expect to become hospitalised?
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Going for my third jab this morning. I'd really like to know how long this will go on for. Will I be getting my 4th, 5th and 6th jab next year?
 

Sybrix

Member
Going for my third jab this morning. I'd really like to know how long this will go on for. Will I be getting my 4th, 5th and 6th jab next year?

Seems to depend on variants and how severe/transmissible they are

We have flu jabs annually for the changing variants, however with Covid being more deadly than flu it may be that we all get at least 2 jabs a year going forward if the last few years are anything to go by.
 

sinnergy

Member
German research shows, boosters do nothing for Cron, immunity neither , and vaccines are less effective in 10 weeks, need adjusted vaccines. It’s all marketing for delta at the moment.
Going for my third jab this morning. I'd really like to know how long this will go on for. Will I be getting my 4th, 5th and 6th jab next year?
probably 3 - 4 a year.
 
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Need some help, my girlfriend was exposed from the 26th-28th by her dumbass antivaxxer family members right before coming to see me and now we're freaking out. I got her upstairs in my apartment masked while I stay downstairs.

Are we fucked? She got the Moderna booster with me on the 19th and has type O blood. Is it likely she's infected? And is it too early to test? We're trying to get our hands on a rapid at home test. But we're not sure if it's too early/accurate enough. Any help would be appreciated thanks guys.
 
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sinnergy

Member
Need some help, my girlfriend was exposed from the 26th-28th by her dumbass antivaxxer family members right before coming to see me and now we're freaking out. I got her upstairs in my apartment masked while I stay downstairs.

Are we fucked? She got the Moderna booster with me on the 19th and has type O blood. Is it likely she's infected? And is it too early to test? We're trying to get our hands on a rapid at home test. But we're not sure if it's too early/accurate enough. Any help would be appreciated thanks guys.
You posted a lot in this thread .. I am sure you know what you need to do.. self test and get a PCr and stay at home until you have had a PCr test.

Btw , vaccinated people also carry and spread the virus, vaccination is more about needing a hospital and dying .. the vaccines are not taking care of spreading, you spread a bit less because you maybe don’t cough .
 
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You posted a lot in this thread .. I am sure you know what you need to do..

Btw , vaccinated people also carry and spread the virus, vaccination is more about needing a hospital and dying ..
Which is?

And yeah but they empirically can prevent transmission which is what we're really hoping for. She is symptomless so far.
 
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Need some help, my girlfriend was exposed from the 26th-28th by her dumbass antivaxxer family members right before coming to see me and now we're freaking out. I got her upstairs in my apartment masked while I stay downstairs.

Are we fucked? She got the Moderna booster with me on the 19th and has type O blood. Is it likely she's infected? And is it too early to test? We're trying to get our hands on a rapid at home test. But we're not sure if it's too early/accurate enough. Any help would be appreciated thanks guys.

takes a few days to incubate so order LFTs for both of you (there are seven tests per delivery) and start testing yourselves, if they come back positive then get a PCR to make sure

if she's got it and she's young and doesn't have any co-morbities she'll likely be fine and not fucked at all, especially 10 days into the booster shot...keep an eye on any symptoms she might have and make sure both of you isolate

there's no need to freak out
 
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takes a few days to incubate so order LFTs for both of you (there are seven tests per delivery) and start testing yourselves, if they come back positive then get a PCR to make sure

if she's got it and she's young and doesn't have any co-morbities she'll likely be fine and not fucked at all, especially 10 days into the booster shot...keep an eye on any symptoms she might have and make sure both of you isolate

there's no need to freak out
The thing is we're trying not to catch it because I'm moving cross country in a matter of days and this would fuck up a lot if she has it.

Is today too early to get her tested with a rapid?
 
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The thing is we're trying not to catch it because I'm moving cross country in a matter of days and this would fuck up a lot if she has it.

Is today too early to get her tested with a rapid?

probably a bit too early but you might as well order them now and then start testing to see, you may see symptoms during that time or it might all come back negative and both of you feel fine in which case you can crack on moving
 
I would opt for a PCR test to be sure , I had family members which had a negative rapid test, twice , but the PCr was positive .
Alright. Fuck man that takes days though and this wrecked her visit already cause she's triple masked staying away from me. I was hoping to move on a rapid and get answers immediately figuring the evening of the 26th to now is enough time. The thought of our trip carrying on like this for days while we wait for a PCR fucking sucks.
 

sinnergy

Member
Alright. Fuck man that takes days though and this wrecked her visit already cause she's triple masked staying away from me. I was hoping to move on a rapid and get answers immediately figuring the evening of the 26th to now is enough time. The thought of our trip carrying on like this for days while we wait for a PCR fucking sucks.
Rapid are sadly not always accurate.
 

tommolb

Member

UK ahead of the game here, we've been using a "mass infection" policy since "freedom day" in July, with 50k infections a day (until Omicron arrived). I suspect UK government is happy that Omicron seems more mild, cos 200k a day will get us to "herd immunity" far faster than Delta would have.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Going for my third jab this morning. I'd really like to know how long this will go on for. Will I be getting my 4th, 5th and 6th jab next year?
There is just no way of knowing, there are too many variables and too many unknowns. Chances are there will at least be a fourth shot made available for those in high risk categories.
It will likely end up as an available annual booster like the flu shot. I think the highest a mandated shot will go is the booster you just got.
Of course if some really nasty variant appears this would all change but this doesn't seem too likely at this point.
 

tommolb

Member
There is just no way of knowing, there are too many variables and too many unknowns. Chances are there will at least be a fourth shot made available for those in high risk categories.
It will likely end up as an available annual booster like the flu shot. I think the highest a mandated shot will go is the booster you just got.
Of course if some really nasty variant appears this would all change but this doesn't seem too likely at this point.
Reckon we'll see an Omicron vaccine made, given to everyone as a booster sometime around June-Sept and then the (UK) government will charge people for any boosters thereafter, unless you're part of an at-risk group (like the flu shot).

Of course, I'm assuming this ends with the Omicron variant!
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Sinnergy please 🤣 if ur ok

No seriously, this is all excellent news. Think back these two years of misery, there never was a conspiracy to persuade us that things are *better* than they really are
It's promising news, but I wouldn't consider it excellent just yet.

Keep in mind the caveats that I wrote about in that post and in previous posts, along with the ones in that twitter thread. If the hospitalization rate is lower, but the increased cases brute force their way into another hospital crisis, it won't matter that omicron is less severe if so many extra people are catching it that it cancels out. Just because we see one pattern in one country doesn't necessarily mean we'll see it play out the same way in another country. In South Africa, the wave is already trending downwards. In the USA it's still going up. We don't know where the case peak will be, and thus we don't know the peak of the hospitalization wave either.

The relative decoupling of cases vs hospitalizations is big enough to be noticeable, but we still don't know why it's happening, so that's still something to watch out for. If you break down cases vs hospitalizations by state you'll see that some states are more decoupled than others. Is it because of vaccination prevalence? A recent big history of infection that conferred natural immunity? Inherently less dangerous characteristics of omicron? No one knows yet.
 

12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie



Airplane Oops GIF
the 75% estimate was definitely eye brow raising , but i get that coming up with these numbers must be challenging in a health care system as decentralized as ours. at the end of the day it really doesn't affect anything
 
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Narasumas

Member
Wew lads, my grandma's sister just died. Only in her 60s but she was unvaccinated and overweight. Was intubated for a few days. First covid death in our family I believe.
I’m very sorry for your loss. Hopefully things have gotten better since 2020 when dealing with the post mortem side of things. It was difficult on our end when we lost family members and watching a “virtual funeral”.

Keep your head up and stay positive.
 

Korranator

Member
LoL,

CDC just admitted during a CNN interview, that the newest Omincron guidelines weren't based on science, but on how they thought the public would react.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
- Bill Gates stopped the AstraZenica vaccine from being given away for free. [Citation needed] However, it seems the Gates Foundation persuaded Oxford to work with AstraZenica to produce the vaccine, rather than giving away the IP for free. (https://web.archive.org/web/2021120.../23/world/bill-gates-vaccine-coronavirus.html) However this misses the fact that AstraZenica is selling the vaccine at cost to poor countries, and that it is being given away for free through COVAX, which the Gates foundation is also funding.
If the goal is to safely get as many vaccines into the hands of needy people as possible in the shortest amount of time, lifting the intellectual property rights would be better than selling the vaccine at cost. With the IP rights waived, countries like South Africa and India could make their own vaccines with their more than capable facilities. This increases production capacity instantly and shortens transportation time. The amount of vaccines given away via COVAX is small relative what could be produced by everyone else in the world if they were only allowed to.






- Bill Gates is wrong to suggest that having 80% - 90% vaccine coverage will do anything. Ironic that the hosts completely ignore the effect of the vaccines on reducing hospitalisations/deaths, to focus on cases. Maybe not everyone is ok with ~1500 people dying daily in the US?
I think that having 80-90% coverage would actually do a lot. Hypothetically, if we had vaccinated 80-90% of the world in the first 4 months, this pandemic would have been toast. Back then, the vaccines prevented transmission as well as it prevented serious illness. Now, with the new variants that evade the transmission protection, that prospect becomes less and less likely until new vaccines are developed that target the variants more specifically.

There are well credentialed virologists who believe that 90% worldwide vaccination rates would put a stop to the pandemic, even now.
 
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