Yoboman
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Xbox exclusives are fine, why not create their own studios to do it?So to summarize, Sony exclusives good for gamers and the industry, Xbox exclusives bad.
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PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels"
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They have. And they have bought some. Just like Sony.
bentanchorbolt
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Microsoft is plaything the long game. This is why they spent $70b on Activision and whatever the hell they spent on Bethesda. It wasn't to shore up exclusives for this gen it was to bolster their portfolio moving forward when gaming inevitably begins to resemble Netflix and Hulu, or Spotify and Apple Music, etc.
Game streaming will take off at some point and when it does the market will be saturated with services, each with their own unique games that are exclusive. You'll end up paying $15 here and $10 there, before you know it, you'll be spending $50 a month just to have access to the games owning an Xbox and PlayStation used to get you. Xbox building a massive portfolio now gives them an enormous leg up to remain competitive when that time comes. It's will make this little squabble with Sony laughable.
This is where gaming is going. You may not like it. I don't like it. But this is where it's headed, just like movies, music, ebooks, tv shows, live sports, etc --- gaming will be no different.
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cinnamonandgravy
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haha i dont know whats going on
R3claimer117
Member
Lmao so Sony can buy studios and Microsoft buying studios is not ok ? Cause they didn’t start them from scratch? Well looking at Microsoft recent history they started 343 from scratch and the coalition from scratch and one of those is a doing their best the other is struggling there’s challenges to starting studios from scratch. Where as established studios you don’t have to hire for already exist and available what’s wrong with buying them? Or is it only ok when Sony buys things cause it’s for the players?
Yoboman
Member
Bought "some" is an interesting spin on about $80 billion worth
SLB1904
Banned
ZehDon
Gold Member
I’ll be honest: I don’t know how to interpret this one.
Wulfer
Member
We need a Harry Potter Gif showing the end of Deadly Hallows. MS being HP and Sony being V and the battle about to take place. Remember MS was dead 2 years ago and many for told the events. It was MS is leaving, MS has no games. Many warned an MS armed with games would shake the foundation at Sony HQ. They were right! Is Sony dead, not by any means but, they will be shaken and the battle playing field be leveled. What Sony does going forward will determine if they continue to be a leader or become a Sega or disappear like Atari. Jimbo its all in your corner and you were handed a lot of firepower from the start!
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digoutyoursoul
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Microsoft were offered a deal by Marvel but declined.
They could still do something in that regard. X-Men, something like that, surely one of their studios could be tempted to try something.
Yoboman
Member
If Sony buy a publisher and take all their games off Xbox we can talk. As of now the closest Sony has done is buy Bungie and kept them multiplatform
They've bought studios with no owned IP. It's the difference between the two, one is buying talent and the other is buying IP
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
No need to be salty.
SLB1904
Banned
didnt xbox bought 10 studios or something? what are you on about?
Kilau
Member
Yoboman
Member
Course I am. Gaming keeps contracting. We are down to a few players owning everything and smaller devs getting killed off all the time.
MS has billions they could have put into making themselves into the biggest and expanding the market in gaming. But they are just short cutting it now by taking big publishers away from their competitor
Jimmyisback
Banned
Like I've said, this is so petty.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
I'm going to start calling you lol because it's goldfish not golden fish. lol.
But even so, you may have said publisher but you seem to have forgotten Sony has brought a few publishers over the generations. The only difference is that MS happened to be in the process of obtaining the biggest one in the industry, but considering the ones Sony brought over the years, one could say MS is just playing catch up.
Heck, most of Sony's current studios were acquired.
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bentanchorbolt
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I think the difference here is money at stake. If Sony had the cash to take on someone like Bethesda or Activision, they would have --- who wouldn't? One could argue that Sony was able to do more, with less --- and that's admirable, because it put them in the position of market leader by a commanding amount.
Unfortunately their competition just so happens to be massively larger and has demonstrated a renewed vigor to compete. It's going to be an interesting generation, that's for sure.
01011001
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Yoboman
Member
Sure Sony were never in the running for Activision. But there's nothing to indicate Sony would have if they could have. They've been in gaming for decades and acquisitions were rare. In fact until recently they hadn't bought anyone they hadn't worked with in a publishing capacity before
Sony have outlayed 30 billion now for acquisitions. It's a shit fight that doesn't benefit gamers
Are gamers better for Bungie being owned by Sony? Are we better for Bethesda being owned by MS? Will we be better if Sony buys Take 2 or Nintendo jumps in and buys Capcom?
I'd answer no to all of those
bender
What time is it?
Weird pulls. The reason 343i exists is because Microsoft purchased Bungie and the Halo IP in 2000. Before that, Halo was an RTS slated for Apple computers. The Coalition exists because Microsoft purchased the Gears of War franchise from Epic and you can beat that Epic was rewarded handsomely prior to that for the series being exclusive to the XBox. The stewards of those franchises might be from scratch but I'd hardly consider it home grown.
Paid for exclusives have always sucked. All the console manufacturers are guilty of the practice. See GTA IV episodes, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy VII:R, Deathloop, and 1,000 other examples. But at least with paid for exclusives, those were most often timed and had a good chance of seeing the light on other platforms. For the people asking "what's the difference", that's the answer. When instead of paying for exclusive rights, you instead purchase the publisher, developer and IP, that shuts the door on other platforms down the road. I'm not even sure why that's being asked, as it seems plainly obvious if you take more than a few moments to think about the ramifications. Both Microsoft and Sony are playing this weird game of if we can't beat them, buy them (or someone else in this instance). Microsoft just has much deeper pockets and are being more upfront about wanting to harm the competition. Who knows what Sony will do with Bungie. At the very least they are saying the right things but everyone should take that with a massive grain of salt. It's weird that people are championing this but console warriors are going to console war. None of these executives are your friends and they certainly aren't looking out for your best interests.
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Jim Ryan doesn't really have a leg to stand on. Sony doesn't own COD. Sony has to negotiate with Activision for COD to be on its console regardless of the Microsoft deal. The article says that Activision's current deal is for 3 more years and that Microsoft was willing to honor the terms. A new deal would be required after the current deal anyways. Sony has no right to expect that any third party guarantees a Playstation release in perpetuity.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Didn't they do the same with Spider Man ? or am I thinking of another PC release
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ManaByte
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Watch the Xbox documentary that just came out. The whole reason for the original Xbox's existence is because Sony was taunting MS by calling the PS2 the "PlayStation 2 Computer Entertainment System". MS saw how Sony owned the living room with TVs and was terrified of them moving in on the PC. So they got into the console business. Then Sony spent the latter half of the PS3 era and the PS4 era buying exclusive content to fight MS. Now MS has opened their giant wallet and is fighting an arms race Sony is going to have a hard time keeping up with, so you're seeing comments like the one this thread is about.
Stuart360
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Could this be a loophole for MS (and i'm talking hypothetically here so dont jump on me Sony boys, i dont give a shit about COD, or even if this Activision buy goes through). Could MS come out and say Activision will be still run independantly', and then get Activision to decide to not put COD on playstation.
Again i'm talking hypothetically here but could that be a loophole or would there be fallback on that?.
Again i'm talking hypothetically here but could that be a loophole or would there be fallback on that?.
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If your console and profits hinge on Call of Duty, you're in trouble. Let it go Sony, this deal is going through and take what you can get. I didn't see Sony fighting Bethesda. Microsoft doesn't have to play nice with this stuff, just nice enough to get the deal through. Exclusives are a real thing. Sony feels so desperate and not prepared for any of this, so disappointing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Because I had been told many times that Sony was after Bethesda at one point as well and that comes from a guy who would 100% know.
Microsoft has now decided to spend big bucks
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It seems like this thread really made some itchy anuses.
Hoeg thinks this circus is gonna get uglier.
Get the popcorn ready.
Hoeg thinks this circus is gonna get uglier.
Get the popcorn ready.
Stuart360
Member
Yeah big business is weird sometimes.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
So wait, Phil gives them an extra 3 years with COD, that's basically this entire generation and Jim is saying it's inadequate? What does he expect?
Mind you, this doesn't mean they can't come back to the table in 6 years and renew a deal.
Jim looks really weak in my opinion. It's like COD is all Sony has...which is complete bullshit. All these super talented studios he has at his disposal and they can't figure out a way to compete?
I think both companies need rhinoplasty at this point.
Mind you, this doesn't mean they can't come back to the table in 6 years and renew a deal.
Jim looks really weak in my opinion. It's like COD is all Sony has...which is complete bullshit. All these super talented studios he has at his disposal and they can't figure out a way to compete?
I think both companies need rhinoplasty at this point.
Pedro Motta
Member
The fucking LUNACY that is going on in this thread.
Bought some??
Top 20 best-selling games from 2010 through 2019 in the U.S.
- Grand Theft Auto V
- Call of Duty: Black Ops
- Call of Duty: Black Ops II
- Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
- Call of Duty: Black Ops III
- Call Of Duty: Ghosts
- Red Dead Redemption II
- Call of Duty: WWII
- Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
- Minecraft
- Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019
- Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
- Mario Kart 8
- Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
It's sad that they can't make them, but can buy them. Shit business practices and they should be blocked, was it Sony, Amazon, Google or fucking Meta, it should be blocked.
bender
What time is it?
It's negotiation which has gone public thanks to Phil and then Jim following suit. The acquisition isn't finalized. Microsoft doesn't want Sony to protest the acquisition so they've offered an olive branch. Sony doesn't like the olive branch.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Ok, cool - I actually agree. I thought perhaps you were insinuating that PlayStation was somehow going to "go loud". Up until this generation, Sony has been competing with Xbox, and winning. In my opinion, they're now competing with Microsoft. It's Spencer's game to lose.
Verchod
Member
Honestly, I'd prefer it to any COD gamebut imagine a AAA Pitfall game tho... Uncharted competitor right there!
reinking
Gold Member
To summarize...
If they dated your daughter.
Phil will spend 40 minutes telling you how he respects women because he was raised by his mom and six sisters. When he drops your daughter off he will fingerbang her in the car and leave her crying on the front porch.
Jiim will drive up in a muscle car and honk in the driveway while your daughter runs out to meet him. You already know what's up.
Both will probably video it. Jim will video it for his "personal stash." Phil will do it to post on social media and brag to his friends while telling everyone what a great guy he is for making her so popular.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Watch Matt Booty be the guy chosen to respond to this tomorrow morning. Making things worse.
Hawking Radiation
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Eddie-Griffin
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That's not accurate, the Xbox was already being worked on in some form by a team who though there was reason for MS to get into gaming because well, they already were.
What you said is the reason why Microsoft greenlit project that would eventually become the Xbox with the budget that they did. It's likely MS was going to have a console anyway, but it may have been entirely different, with lower budget allocation.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I do some moderating on Twitch and did a lot on Mixer (RIP) but no way I would want to be a Mod on a forum like this.
I can just imagine the Mods reactions when they see something Phil or Jimmie says and they know the wars are coming
Hawking Radiation
Member
Christ, there's too much heat in this thread. That's enough GAF for me for one day.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Its more the 'Sony eat shit and die' part that had me like Dude WTF?I do some moderating on Twitch and did a lot on Mixer (RIP) but no way I would want to be a Mod on a forum like this.
I can just imagine the Mods reactions when they see something Phil or Jimmie says and they know the wars are coming
There's far bigger problems in the world today to warrant a reaction like that. Gaming isn't it.
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Pedro Motta
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Hendrick's
you LOL because you have nothing to say.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
100% the pure warriors are just the worst
I am sure some would much rather come here and yell at people as compared to you know actually gaming
ManaByte
Member
They've been punching MS for two generations and now MS is punching back, and Jim can't seem to take the punch. In the 360/PS3 era Sony had a parity clause that said if you didn't release a game simultaneously on PS3 and 360, you had to produce exclusive PlayStation DLC for the game or else it wouldn't be approved for release on the platform. BioShock was the first game to do this. It was something to try to prevent timed exclusives. That evolved in the PS4 era to where they were just flat-out paying for exclusive DLC like the Destiny Strikes and the Arkham Knight challenges.
bender
What time is it?
It's a weird revisionist history for sure. Both companies were moneyhatting left and right. Microsoft spent 50 million for one year of exclusivity on the GTAIV episodes so acting if Sony were the only ones doing it is bizarre.
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PendekarRajawali
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No, he's typing from his Xperia phone.I bet you're typing these responses from Sony's very successful line of VAIO laptops...
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