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Hugare
Member
About the bold part: absolutely not
Hence that part where they tried to pull a Left Behind type of level and failed big time. The majority of players hated that level, including me.
The mocap, direction and etc. are excellent, ND level. But writing? It's very average, and miles away from ND skills. Conversations sounds forced, unatural ...
Again, compare that level to Left Behind. LB is a 2h DLC, and at the end you feel for Riley and Ellie's relationship.
I didnt have this problem with GOW 2018. That game was focused on Atreus and Kratos mostly, sure, but it seems like it was better written.
That Freya and her brother section, ugh, sounded like brazilian telenovelas.
Kratos also sounds so much more emotional in this game. He developed during the last game, sure, but at the end of that game he wasnt like this.
Going from that straight to this version of him, that looks more like an overly protective mother, is jarring af
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Pedro Motta
Member
It’s called Sony first party scrutiny (or tax). The magnifying glass is waaaay bigger with Sony games.
Alter_Fridge
Member
Like Twitter isn't reknown for being the world's biggest echo chamber. Not to mention how many opinions are bought there
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Ok, lets say they went youre way and didnt include RPG. You dont think there would be other people complaining that its not RPG enough? How can it even be possible for a developer to make a game that fits all? I mean there will never ever be one, so just play the game or dont, thats it.
Madflavor
Member
On my end I'm having some broken moments. I already described the combat issues, but I've also had the game bug out on my a few times causing me to reload. As I type this I'm on the
Heimdall
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I mean God of War wasn’t RPG series to begin with, the 2018 version they decided turn in in to RPG because apparently games can no longer being action games, they have to be RPGs.
Ok, then i stand corrected.
Revolutionary
Member
I'm surprised that with all the accessibility options in the game, they forgot an alternate way to land parries. I have carpal tunnel in my pointer fingers that makes it harder to press the shoulder buttons in quick succession. Looked through the settings and they have an alternate block, but not parry. Weird oversight but I've been managing for the most part.
Also, the subtitle options are lacking. There needs to be a smaller text option and a way to position the subs closer to the edge of the screen, because they may as well be right in the center of the damn screen as it is lol
Also, the subtitle options are lacking. There needs to be a smaller text option and a way to position the subs closer to the edge of the screen, because they may as well be right in the center of the damn screen as it is lol
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Don’t get me wrong I’m enjoying the game but I’m getting sick of majorly of games turning in to RPGs one way or another.
angrod14
Member
Almost at the end. Damn is this game long.
- During the initial and mid section of the game, the story wasn't as gripping as I was expecting. It was all "go from point A to point B" with very underwhelming revelations each time you reached your destination. The Third Act, however, was excellent. It felt really epic joining all your allies for the great battle.
- Cool characters overall, truly. There's a lot of heart in this game. Some of them, however, were quite insufferable in some stages (v.g.: during that section where you go to break her spell, I really wanted to rip Freya's head off and play soccer with it; fuck was that bitch insufferable in those moments. Who da FUK does she thinks she is pushing fucking Kratos like that? That bitch doesn't even imagine how fucked she is if he decides to react. Anyways, she redeemed herself in the end).
- Kratos and Atreus arc of wising up and maturing was very well done; but I have to admit, I really wanted old Kratos to resurface in the end for the vengeance. I thought they were hinting at that in the early fight with Thor. Damn it was going to be so cool to bash Odin's skull while him begs for mercy; you don't FUCK with KRATOS. But nope, he's too wise now, too cool headed, too balanced. Closest we got to that was the Heimdall boss fight, and it was awesome.
- Peak moments for me: 1. Initial fight with Thor; 2. Atreus chapter in Asgard (dem landscapes); 3. Heimdall boss fight (Kratos unleashing his former self); 4. Spark of the World (dem visuals); 5. Going all in to the Ragnarok with all the bros and hoes you met during the game.
- Cool characters overall, truly. There's a lot of heart in this game. Some of them, however, were quite insufferable in some stages (v.g.: during that section where you go to break her spell, I really wanted to rip Freya's head off and play soccer with it; fuck was that bitch insufferable in those moments. Who da FUK does she thinks she is pushing fucking Kratos like that? That bitch doesn't even imagine how fucked she is if he decides to react. Anyways, she redeemed herself in the end).
- Kratos and Atreus arc of wising up and maturing was very well done; but I have to admit, I really wanted old Kratos to resurface in the end for the vengeance. I thought they were hinting at that in the early fight with Thor. Damn it was going to be so cool to bash Odin's skull while him begs for mercy; you don't FUCK with KRATOS. But nope, he's too wise now, too cool headed, too balanced. Closest we got to that was the Heimdall boss fight, and it was awesome.
- Peak moments for me: 1. Initial fight with Thor; 2. Atreus chapter in Asgard (dem landscapes); 3. Heimdall boss fight (Kratos unleashing his former self); 4. Spark of the World (dem visuals); 5. Going all in to the Ragnarok with all the bros and hoes you met during the game.
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Ghost of Caelid
Banned
I was just starting my NG+ before putting it on pause for GOW. Also that's a silly excuse to deflect from criticism of a game. It's funny because the game had a moment where a character was like "let me speed this up" when I was solving a puzzle lmao.
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Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Yea, level gating these games makes 0 sense and doesn't add to the experience. Just makes the enemies more bulky. But I'm sure theres a study group that shows people invest more time when theres rpg mechanics no matter how light.
Topher
Gold Member
Because people complain a hell of a lot more than they praise.
Alter_Fridge
Member
I don't see a disconnect between plenty of game reviews and fan opinions, Witcher 3 for one
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Anyone knows what version 2.001 is for? It was probably released in the last few hours.
All I could find out is that its Ps5 only.
Anyway, after like 8 hours I’m still loving this shit and wondering more and more how there’s a small group of people that criticizes how similar this is with the previous entry
All I could find out is that its Ps5 only.
Anyway, after like 8 hours I’m still loving this shit and wondering more and more how there’s a small group of people that criticizes how similar this is with the previous entry
They literally introduced a new playable character, new play style, new moves, weapons, new settings, etc. everything about this game screams “sequel done right” in my opinion.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Critics set an expectation so naturally if you're expecting a 94 game, alot of people won't feel the same and think it comes up short. Also 3rd person cinematic games are deemed as the standard for most critics.
Topher
Gold Member
I've seen plenty of dislike for Witcher 3, especially the combat. Every popular game has its detractors from Witcher 3 to Elden Ring to BOTW to RDR 2 and especially first party console games. This isn't new.
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Alter_Fridge
Member
Combat is the only negative people have about W3
Story, world, lore, pacing, difficulty, characters, dialogue are all fantastic
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Punished Miku
Member
Combat, leveling up, inventory, follow the glowing footprints, basic movement and control, sliding down a 1 ft. hill and dying, stupid spinning animations non-stop while sword fighting.
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Topher
Gold Member
Then you are reading what you want to read.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
NPC interaction sucks. If its not a story based npc too many of them are set dressing...didn't even feel as good as skyrims.
zkorejo
Member
I have seen countless complains about story and how it drags. Complains about pacing issues, characters etc.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
So it has more opinions than NeoGAF, yet you used the comments here and then asked how did it get a 94 on MC.
zkorejo
Member
I remember getting Witcher 3 early and saying TW3 is a special game and will be remembered and looked back as one of the pinnacle releases in gaming. I was ridiculed for saying it at the time.
Similarly Ragnarok is a special game and it will be one of those games we talk about years from now. When people talk about Gow, they will mostly talk about Ragnarok and not 2018. This is a special game but that doesn't make it perfect ofcourse.
Perfect game doesn't exist and will never exist.
Similarly Ragnarok is a special game and it will be one of those games we talk about years from now. When people talk about Gow, they will mostly talk about Ragnarok and not 2018. This is a special game but that doesn't make it perfect ofcourse.
Perfect game doesn't exist and will never exist.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Nah. You just have too fond of memories about ND writing.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Valedix
Member
(might wanna add spoilers)
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I doubt that. If anything, this game will not have a good legacy.
The pacing is just bad. They're just shoving 80% of the story into this game and there's just way too much of it for a God of War game. This is getting Naughty Dog level of ridiculous. So many cutscenes, talks, and walking sections that don't end. Long and boring parts that stretch for hours where you barely fight. Puzzles every two rooms.
The parts where you play as
Atreus
Not a bad game, but I'm not feeling it anymore. I'll just watch the rest of the story on youtube. Can't bear the sluggish pacing anymore.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Nah, pacing in this game is basically perfect
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
The writing is easily better than ND, but that isn’t saying much. It’s still the weakest writing in any God of War game by far with gratuitous CW-level tween trash thrown in.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
The game feels like it should have been two games and it was originally written as such, but they decided partway into development to make it one. There are numerous story threads that go absolutely nowhere from the first game, full of filler to stretch out with pointless fetch quests and collectibles, constantly “funneling” you through areas with the “tight squeeze” design. There could have been an amazing story here, but it fell flat on its face. Also the writing just got so much worse compared to previous games. Especially whenever Atreus is on screen. Thankfully it only took around 40 hours to 100% and there were some AMAZING moments here, which is more than I can say for most of Sony’s works of the past few years - but those moments are few and far between.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
If this was a Naughty Dog game, sure, but this is God of War.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The little turd is seriously starting to annoy me. The only time I hated him more was when he suddenly turned into an asshole in GOW 2018. At least it was only for like 1-2 hours. He's seriously getting on my nerves with how stupid he is acting. They also use one of the most annoying storytelling tropes to build tension: Have characters not tell stuff when they should so we can get stupid disagreements that could be settled if they just sat down.
I hope they have a good reason for that.
drotahorror
Member
How far am I? I haven't even got a Heavy Runic power...
Just killed Nidhogg
vaibhavpisal
Member
Most of the criticism stems from being overhyped.
Honestly, I expected far more people getting disillusioned.
SSM build it over multiple installments, critic's just fan the flames.
You are pretty much setting yourself up for disappointment.
I will play it in a year or so, with zero hype and no love for Kratos, to see how game actually is.
Elden Ring did not had this issue cause it was kept under wraps and nobody knew how it was gonna be. Surprise, surprise, there is 200 hrs of content.
Hugare
Member
Nah. I've recently played Part I remake, Legacy of Thieves collection and TLOU Part II
As I said, the first GOW also seems better in terms of writting (replayed it recently).
Look around and you'll see that I'm not alone criticising this aspect of the game
Feeling zero connection to the characters or the story so far. I was much more engaged with the first game.
Combat is doing the heavy lifting. It's incredible, even 15h later.
"Easily better
Lets agree to disageee, I guess
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There’s a lot of homo erotica in Norse mythology. So, it’s fitting.
Aaaaaaand 100%
The highlight was when I realised I was on a quest line involving two guys who turned out to be gay, now that's pretty normal in today's games but what had me laughing my ass off was the realisation that I picked it up from a RAINBOW campfire. Because the developer needed to spell that out for you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Their general had it as his most anticipated game this year.Even green rats know the best games are on PlayStation. That doesn't mean they have to like it.
“Awaiting marching orders, sir!”
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Meifu
Member
This game is truly perplexing to me, I'm about 11 hours in and i go 1 hour bored out of my fucking eyeballs and then another hour and its riveting, I'm really starting to feel the walking simulator complaints, but there are also times where it doesnt matter because whats going on is really interesting.
Blitzmangoman
Member
As someone who finished the game let me tell you that there are lots of unmarked spoilers in this thread, like wtf? I would stay away from this thread.
drotahorror
you have lots of gametime left, enjoy.
drotahorror
you have lots of gametime left, enjoy.El Pistolero
Banned
Correct me if I'm wrong, but expectations are sky high when it comes to SSM, ND, Nintendo ED, Rockstar..
Gamers hold these developers in such high esteem, that they tend to be overly critical of their products, pointing out issues thst would go unnoticed, were similar titles to be launched by less prestigious teams.
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Vick
Member
I fucking hated elves in the first, but it's like they were designed to be hated at higher difficulties.
About to meet them here, kinda nervous to be honest, but on the other hand GMGOW has been too easy so I welcome more challenge.
Because you can't make games like these in less than 5 years, it is what it is. Can't think of another single studio on the planet able to pull a game like this off as well.
This is why people complaining about lenght and amount of content and complexity are funny as fuck to me.
It's also almost like majority of people are nerding in the actual game, leaving the Thread at the mercy of many totally objective and unbiased people.
zkorejo
Member
I will wait till I end the game to have the final opinion on it. But I like ND games formula. I didn't like TLOU Part 2 story and characters and that's a different argument/complaint, but the game formula works. These games are story and character heavy games and I think ND does it masterfully. SSM follows that path for GOW 2018 and Ragnarok but I much rather prefer this story, these characters and this world so I'm enjoying it way more than I enjoyed anything from ND since Uncharted 2 & The last of us.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Maybe around 1/6?
Low Moral Fibre
Member
The one shot camera is really holding things back unnecessarily imo especially if you ever want to replay the game. It was much less of a problem in 2018 as the story felt much more intimate but they have added a load of characters and want you to see what they are up to but the way the game achieves this feels so artificial and unnecessary just for a gimmick that doesn’t need to be there.
Much of the story stuff could have been stuck in a skipable cutscene and it could have cut to other characters for a bit rather than then lead to sections like IW. I think my main problem with IW is that the game needs a particular character to be there for a while for the narrative to make sense but the one shot camera means the player also has to be there the entire time.
The combat is really good and I love the fact that, while there is a best way of dealing with each enemy, there isn’t an only way. Spiderman and Batman annoyed me in this respect where if it was say a brute enemy you could only really defeat them using a certain skill while in GOW anything goes.
The level design feels like a slog though like players can’t be trusted to have a section without any combat so much of the combat feels like filler as you aren’t getting these big arena battles but three or four trash mobs. Walk and talk, crawl through gap, small fight, rinse and repeat until the next big set piece.
I just think the above stuff really throws off the pacing as they have chosen to present 99% of the story from the characters POV in walk and talk sections and thanks to the one shot camera they can’t cut away to explain something. But because there are so many walk and talk sections they have felt the need to add a mini combat arena every few minutes so it really feels like a slog at times.
Much of the story stuff could have been stuck in a skipable cutscene and it could have cut to other characters for a bit rather than then lead to sections like IW. I think my main problem with IW is that the game needs a particular character to be there for a while for the narrative to make sense but the one shot camera means the player also has to be there the entire time.
The combat is really good and I love the fact that, while there is a best way of dealing with each enemy, there isn’t an only way. Spiderman and Batman annoyed me in this respect where if it was say a brute enemy you could only really defeat them using a certain skill while in GOW anything goes.
The level design feels like a slog though like players can’t be trusted to have a section without any combat so much of the combat feels like filler as you aren’t getting these big arena battles but three or four trash mobs. Walk and talk, crawl through gap, small fight, rinse and repeat until the next big set piece.
I just think the above stuff really throws off the pacing as they have chosen to present 99% of the story from the characters POV in walk and talk sections and thanks to the one shot camera they can’t cut away to explain something. But because there are so many walk and talk sections they have felt the need to add a mini combat arena every few minutes so it really feels like a slog at times.
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sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Played for a couple of hours. Dont get the love for this game yet.
Feels like DLC. Liked everything in the 2018 version more than what I have now. Not going to spoil anything. But so far it’s rather meh. All that keeps me playing is the great combat system. But that’s nothing new. Curious if I’ll change my mind.
Feels like DLC. Liked everything in the 2018 version more than what I have now. Not going to spoil anything. But so far it’s rather meh. All that keeps me playing is the great combat system. But that’s nothing new. Curious if I’ll change my mind.