BobLeeSwagger
Member
Well… If your game is rumored to be costing around $2B by the time it comes out, yea, suits will be on your ass to manage costs and deadlines and hope it doesn’t balloon any higher.
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[Bloomberg] ‘Grand Theft Auto’ Maker Rockstar Games Asks Workers to Return to Office Five Days a Week
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FalsettoVibe
Member
That may be the case for some, but I not for all. I just hate how these companies follow trends. My company has us coming in twice a week up from once a week. And I kid you not, their excuse was that several other major
companies in the area were doing the same or more, and they felt like it would be better for collaboration. Nothing to do with performance or effectiveness.
Kacho
Member
So management sees that you guys are less productive in the office because you’re all “fucking around” and they are ok with this? Sorry bud, not buying it.
I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotes. I just understand why companies are slowly making people return to the office.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
And why is that?
Hawking Radiation
Member
The right answer.
No idea how game development works. It might be beneficial for them to have everyone in the office though this need not apply for every industry.
But as you say Rockstar have never failed in making good games.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Jealousy.
tusharngf
Member
yeah same here. Nothing beats wfh in terms of flexibility. I have been doing wfh since 2016. This is some next-level corporate boot licking especially a trash company like rockstar games which gives no shit about after-game support.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Isn't collaboration a form of effectiveness? You'd rather perform well on collaboration than not.
I just look at the incentives on both sides. Obviously most people would rather work from home. I don't see a strong incentive from companies to keep employees out of their homes if it meant losing efficiency. What do they stand to gain?
So far, I've only seen one person who said it's because companies want to stimulate the local economy. That sounds absurd to me.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Of course you not buying it and I wasn't selling you anything either. Just gave you my personal experience. The call to be in the office 3 days a week comes from the execs. My manager fucking hates office days and the stats go to the guys in the suits. What they do with it is not my concern.
As I said this is just my experience since when Covid hit to the present day and I did say this productivity argument office vs WFH can go both ways.
sendit
Member
I think it is a reasonable take. For example, imagine spending billions to fully erect massive sky scraping offices only to be hit by a pandemic and have the majority of your employees WFH.
Buddy you’re the one online complaining about OTHER PEOPLE working from home. How much more pathetic can that get? Me leave it alone? lol I will do that. I’m going to leave it alone. Imagine getting upset over something that doesn’t even affect you lmfao.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What percentage of companies construct massive skyscrapers? I don't think it's too many.
Also, wouldn't WFH be flourishing in the indie - AA gaming scene if it actually brought benefit to the end product?
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Hawking Radiation
Member
Sitting in the office right now and you can hear a pin drop. Everyone is in their own bubble. But hey must be in the office for 'better collaboration'
Might as well be at home on my comfy couch.
FalsettoVibe
Member
On collaboration, I would agree with you if it was impossible to collaborate from home. Now in some small cases, I can see where maybe being in the office face to face promotes slightly better collaboration. And coming in once or twice a week seems like it should satisfy those cases imo. My company used that excuse but we still use Teams at out desks even when in the office...lol. As far as the economy thing, if you think having to spend 100s on gas every month, the employer having to rent out a space, utilities, office needs, people buying lunch more often and work clothes doesn't stimulate the economy, I'm not sure what else to say.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
How's that corpo boot leather taste?
FalsettoVibe
Member
Sitting in the office right now and you can hear a pin drop. Everyone is in their own bubble. But hey must be in the office for 'better collaboration'
Might as well be at home on my comfy couch.
This. I've been back in the office once or twice a week for almost 2 years and we rarely ever get together face to face to collaborate. Half the time it's people coming by my desk to talk about things like what they did on their vacation.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Oh I'm sure it stimulates the economy. I just don't believe companies would want to stimulate the local economy at the expense of their bottom line.
cash_longfellow
Member
That’s literally the point of the OP…but we still pushing forward with the making it personal are we?
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Hawking Radiation
Member
BBBBBB BINGO !!!! lol
Being in the office 3 times a week I can attest to that. Like i said in a previous post. Half the time its just peope fucking around.
Kacho
Member
In Rockstar’s case, they have a massive consumer product nearing completion and they want everyone back in the office to get it over the finish line. More accountability, easier to collaborate, etc. Employees who aren’t happy with that can look for a job elsewhere.
cash_longfellow
Member
Much like your mom
jk of course. Please don’t take it personal like many of the other posts in this thread.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
When did we change from "companies" to "Rockstar"?
Instead of repeating Rockstar's statement, care to answer the actual question?
Kacho
Member
Companies in general are slowly moving back to full time office work for similar reasons.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
...companies in general are slowly moving back to full time office because they have a massive consumer product nearing completion? There really aren't a lot of those so that can't be the reason "in general".
"Remote madness" doesn't work here when Rockstar is multiple studios across the world so there's always going to be some form of remote aspect as each studio works when another isn't, etc.
TheShocker
Member
Delicious. Neckbeard.
Tsaki
Member
Well hopefully, when GTA6 comes out, it will taste pretty good. But it'll be $70 so the devs better earn their salary.
Hawking Radiation
Member
For 70 fucking dollars it better taste good lol
FalsettoVibe
Member
Kacho
Member
What? No that’s why I said in Rockstars case when talking about shipping a massive consumer product.
In general companies are making people return to the office to improve productivity, accountability, collaboration, among other things.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Except those companies give statements, no quantifiable hard data, so unless you have access to data the rest of us don't, why do you "understand" those statements, but not anyone saying the opposite?
Celcius
°Temp. member
It just blows my mind that so many of you think the devs aren’t earning their salary if they aren’t in an office lol.
Today must be April Fool’s Day or something.
Sleepwalker
Member
Kacho
Member
If people were equally as productive working remotely then companies wouldn’t be forcing them to return to the office and they would have sold their property years ago. The return to full time office work inevitable for most people.
Portugeezer
Member
Invisioning myself working from home... nope, they don't belong together.
Sleepwalker
Member
This and the leases is what it comes down to.
Lots of people here enjoy their commutes tho, so please by all means keep posting on GAF while stuck in traffic.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
you have no insight into what drove the decisions of the execs for these companies, that data is not available to anyone, nobody knows and all you can do is speculate, so by saying you "understand" even though you can't actually know the reasonings, while simultaneously dismissing people saying the opposite, you're just showing bias.
I mean I can tell you what the CEO of the SaaS company I worked for thought about this, but you'll just discount it as "anecdotal" and "unquantifiable" anyway, since they don't care enough to make a public statement out of it, and I suspect even if all the companies operating perfectly fine with remote made similar statements, you'd still only "understand" the ones that agree with your views.
Lethal01
Member
Unlikely, I know from experience the higher up literally ignore the Metrics based on how they feel.
They are rarely any more sensible than the people you see post on this forum.
I've seen them literally complain about employees being more productive due mid way through discussions about how much they will pay us for assistance replacing them with AI.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Nobody wants to work.
crazepharmacist
Member
Entertaining to see the disparity of reaction on this between here and that other forum.
It is inducing outrage over there.
It is inducing outrage over there.
Upper_Management
Member
No shit, it looks like we have a bunch of armchair game devs and office corpos around here. They demand to see your ass in a seat or else they assume we are on a Netflix binge while sitting at home.
Kacho
Member
Sorry Rockstar having their employees return to the office upsets you so much. They won’t be the last company to do it.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
And there’s your unofficial first delay announcement
Reizo Ryuu
Member
That's a weird response considering I haven't talked about Rockstar once in any of my posts; I guess you ran out of ways to mask being fervently pro sitting in an office and decided to just make a completely random reply instead.
Oh well, good chat, have a nice day.
Justin9mm
Member
See it really depends on the role and industry you are in. I'm an office professional in Accounting. My role specifically requires no client facing interaction and I don't collaborate with my team as each member of my finance team has their own tasks which don't really involve the other. I do a lot of process work that is autonomous. I work from home 3 days a week and 2 in the office. When I'm in the office, one of the days, no one from my team is basically there, on the other day, I sit at my desk and don't interact because my job doesn't require me to. I feel that for me specifically, I don't need to be there, I'm more productive at home because I don't have to get up early to get the train which takes me 1 hour and a half each way. I also get more work done because I have less distractions at home then in the office.
But I think for majority of roles in Rockstar, collaboration would be the biggest part of the role, there are so many moving parts to game development and they would be constantly interacting and working together to bring their project to life. It's one big project that relies on this. So of course naturally, Rockstar wanting 100% collaboration is perfectly normal. If people don't like that, then they probably shouldn't be working in the industry. Projects and collaboration go hand in hand. As long as the company has some sort of flexibility to work from home if absolutely needed on an adhoc basis then I see no problem.
But I think for majority of roles in Rockstar, collaboration would be the biggest part of the role, there are so many moving parts to game development and they would be constantly interacting and working together to bring their project to life. It's one big project that relies on this. So of course naturally, Rockstar wanting 100% collaboration is perfectly normal. If people don't like that, then they probably shouldn't be working in the industry. Projects and collaboration go hand in hand. As long as the company has some sort of flexibility to work from home if absolutely needed on an adhoc basis then I see no problem.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Race to the bottom mentality, same thing every time a union is mentioned. Essentially because they have a shitty none unioned job where they don't get to work from home, then everyone should have a shitty none unionised job where they can't work from home. Slap on 30 days paid leave a year + 2 weeks paid sick no issue + bank holidays, overtime rates and flexi and their frothing at the mouth imagining how I should have a shitter time at work because they have a shitter time at work.
Effectively people want to drag you down to their level, rather than try to raise themselves up. It's a tale as old as time.
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Kacho
Member
I’m very much in the pro return to office camp here, which I made clear in my very first post in this thread. Not sure what mask you’re referring to.