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[pacman4000]

I would actually like a new "Playstation TV" (that runs the new Playstation Portable games, only).

Since there is no money in hardware, but lots of money in games and services(subscriptions), it would actually make sense from a business perspective. I.e. for Sony, it doesn't matter which hardware the users have, as long as the hardware is tightly tied to the Playstation ecosystem.

A Playstation TV, for no more than $199, would allow for "spontaneous purchases" in ways that a $599, or so, PS6 or even a $399 PS5 don't.

The only problem is that the average consumer will get confused (they absolutely will) but they will be confused by all those xbox-logos everywere so think they can survive one additional box with a Playstation logo.

Then again, I would love a Switch 2 TV too but Nintendo has so far refused...

 

[Loxus]

But People bought expensive PS5s for years and they are doing the same with Switch 2. Currently PS5s are still selling very well at a incredible high price compared to PS4 same timeframe.

Besides with a cheaper-ish handheld (where they actually can attract PS4 customers!) there are no reasons anymore for a cheap and weak console (when there was before, but they were still selling everything they produced for years).

For decades Sony have been saying a weaker / cheaper console is not a valid strategy and suddenly it is?

We know what they want. They want people to buy their 80$/90€ director's cut single player or paying GAAS PS6 games (because they didn't buy their 70$/80€ PS5 games!) instead of playing free games like Fortnite, GTA5 or fun and cheap AA games on their PS4s or even PS5s.

There is a reason TLOU2 or Spider-man 2 are in constant sales everywhere and are usually less expensive to buy than Astro-Bot or Demon's Souls. Because that is the kind of games they want to promote as they have not faith anymore in the kind of games their company have been doing for decades even if that strategy was actually working better than ever in 2020 just before PS5 was released.

Not everyone brought those PS5's though.

At the end of the day, consoles are supposed to be budget gaming devices.

A single well made, balanced console at $500 is better imo. With techniques like dual-issue, A.I. upscaling, frame generation and dedicated decompression, avoids making a large chip and keeps cost down.

Yes I'd like to see an more powerful PS6 than what MLiD leaked but at the same time I don't want it to be expensive. Too expensive and I'll just invest in a good gaming/work PC or a better gaming laptop.

The part about game prices increasing was just me saying that I better not see those guys that want an expensive console/handheld in another thread complaining about $80 games next-gen. If you can afford a $700-$800 handheld, $80 should be chicken feed money.

 

[Tobimacoss]

I would actually like a new "Playstation TV" (that runs the new Playstation Portable games, only).

Since there is no money in hardware, but lots of money in games and services(subscriptions), it would actually make sense from a business perspective. I.e. for Sony, it doesn't matter which hardware the users have, as long as the hardware is tightly tied to the Playstation ecosystem.

A Playstation TV, for no more than $199, would allow for "spontaneous purchases" in ways that a $599, or so, PS6 or even a $399 PS5 don't.

The only problem is that the average consumer will get confused (they absolutely will) but they will be confused by all those xbox-logos everywere so think they can survive one additional box with a Playstation logo.

Then again, I would love a Switch 2 TV too but Nintendo has so far refused...

How about Samsung TV, LG TV, Amazon Firesticks PWA apps?

 

[pacman4000]

How about Samsung TV, LG TV, Amazon Firesticks PWA apps?

What about them?

 

[Tobimacoss]

What about them?

I'm saying, rather than a $199 TV device, how about Sony create PS5 streaming web apps for Samsung, LG, Sony TVs rather than limiting it to PS5 consoles. Cost of a Firestick is as low as $35.

Stream your own game | Xbox Cloud Gaming on  Xbox.com

www.xbox.com

Can just Buy and Stream. Would be better performance than what the $199 TV device could give natively.

 

[pacman4000]

I'm saying, rather than a $199 TV device, how about Sony create PS5 streaming web apps for Samsung, LG, Sony TVs rather than limiting it to PS5 consoles. Cost of a Firestick is as low as $35.

Yeah, why not. A good way to catch those who likes game-streaming. Just count me out.

 

[OLED_Gamer]

Not everyone brought those PS5's though.

At the end of the day, consoles are supposed to be budget gaming devices.

A single well made, balanced console at $500 is better imo. With techniques like dual-issue, A.I. upscaling, frame generation and dedicated decompression, avoids making a large chip and keeps cost down.

Yes I'd like to see an more powerful PS6 than what MLiD leaked but at the same time I don't want it to be expensive. Too expensive and I'll just invest in a good gaming/work PC or a better gaming laptop.

The part about game prices increasing was just me saying that I better not see those guys that want an expensive console/handheld in another thread complaining about $80 games next-gen. If you can afford a $700-$800 handheld, $80 should be chicken feed money.

PS6 will be a huge win if FSR4/PSSR2 is standardized for all games. That, and ray reconstruction. If these are all implemented, it'll be a fantastic product.

I'm eyeing it as i'm happy with the Pro with the only drawback being the lack of PSSR implementation in all games. If PS6 fixes this, then I may become a console peasant again.

 

[Sethbacca]

A single well made, balanced console at $500 is better imo. With techniques like dual-issue, A.I. upscaling, frame generation and dedicated decompression, avoids making a large chip and keeps cost down.

Yes I'd like to see an more powerful PS6 than what MLiD leaked but at the same time I don't want it to be expensive. Too expensive and I'll just invest in a good gaming/work PC or a better gaming laptop.

If I were making a new console right now I would for sure be looking at uncertainty around tariffs, the economy, the anticipated direction of the economy, etc etc etc. I want a super premium system but the reality is they're kind of in the same position designing this thing for release as they were in the post 2008 collapse preparing for the release of the PS4. I'd be aiming for a device looking to hit mass market pricing.

 

[Det]

If I were making a new console right now I would for sure be looking at uncertainty around tariffs, the economy, the anticipated direction of the economy, etc etc etc. I want a super premium system but the reality is they're kind of in the same position designing this thing for release as they were in the post 2008 collapse preparing for the release of the PS4. I'd be aiming for a device looking to hit mass market pricing.

By the time the PS6 comes out, Trump will have already left the US presidency.

 

[pacman4000]

By the time the PS6 comes out, Trump will have already left the US presidency.

Sony, please release the PS6 tomorrow.

 

[Bojji]

By the time the PS6 comes out, Trump will have already left the US presidency.

He will be president until January 20282029 and PS6 most likely will launch in Q4 2027.

 

[nial]

Not everyone brought those PS5's though.

At the end of the day, consoles are supposed to be budget gaming devices.

A single well made, balanced console at $500 is better imo. With techniques like dual-issue, A.I. upscaling, frame generation and dedicated decompression, avoids making a large chip and keeps cost down.

Yes I'd like to see an more powerful PS6 than what MLiD leaked but at the same time I don't want it to be expensive. Too expensive and I'll just invest in a good gaming/work PC or a better gaming laptop.

The part about game prices increasing was just me saying that I better not see those guys that want an expensive console/handheld in another thread complaining about $80 games next-gen. If you can afford a $700-$800 handheld, $80 should be chicken feed money.

I disagree with you man, but I seriously suggest not responding to P Physiognomonics , lol. Guy Is a big schizo.

 

[Det]

He will be president until January 2028 and PS6 most likely will launch in Q4 2027.

And the PS6 will last another six years beyond him; six months of Trump is irrelevant.

That is, if Trump doesn't die before then, from his circulatory problems.

 

[Loxus]

I disagree with you man, but I seriously suggest not responding to P Physiognomonics , lol. Guy Is a big schizo.

You disagree with every single thing on GAF.

 

[Bojji]

And the PS6 will last another six years beyond him; six months of Trump is irrelevant.

That is, if Trump doesn't die before then, from his circulatory problems.

But initial price will depend on tariffs etc.

And if the next president is from Republican party he/she can continue his politics in this aspect.

 

[Tobimacoss]

He will be president until January 2028 and PS6 most likely will launch in Q4 2027.

January 2029.

 

[nial]

You disagree with every single thing on GAF.

Not my fault your ideas are intrinsically bad man, lol.

 

[Bojji]

January 2029.

Holy shit, you are right.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

If you ask me, the best way to "grow" an install base is to have something like the $200 PS portal, but one that's capable of streaming every game to the handheld. A PS Portal that can be owned as your only console and that you buy games for that are also playable on the standard home console (PS5/6) and vice versa. And by buy games for I mean you buy a game and that gives you a license to download it or stream it.

Basically, you want any growth, reduce costs in such a way that people do not feel they are getting a poorer shoehorned experience. The PS5 will never reach PS4 numbers if by the time the PS6 is released, the cheapest PS5 is still $400+.

The only catch here is that with diminishing returns and all, that won't matter, sony would support both the PS5 and PS6 equally. Support for the PS5 will likely stop when a PS7 is released. So the PS5 will be the first actual multi generational console. So at the end of the day, we may say the PS5 sold 120M+ consoles, but that will only be because it was on the market receiving full support for over 15 years.

 

[Jewrye]

These comments are yikes off

 

[Loxus]

Not my fault your ideas are intrinsically bad man, lol.

The PS6 having a controller that looks like the PS Portal with a touch-screen that can act as a secondary screen for map, inventory, hud, multi-player scoreboard, chat, in-game puzzles, etc. all rendered on the controller to deliver new gameplay experiences, all while freeing up the console resources.

Can also be then used like the PS Portal to stream all games from the PS6 anywhere via Wi-Fi and is powerful enough to play all PS4 games and is also sold separately just like any Dualsense controller or handheld.

A multi-purpose controller that when I'm finish playing on the living room TV, I can with the touch of a button, switch to Stream Mode and stream from the PS6 while in bed, and when away from home without Wi-Fi, switch to Render Mode and play PS4 games locally.

A hybrid console design that delivers high graphics fidelity via the console and portability via the controller, resulting in the best of both worlds in a single purchase is a bad idea?

And to please people like you, Sony can also have a $700 Pro version that locally play PS5/PS6 games.

And sell a version of the PS6 with a regular controller, just like we sell with the Digital PS5.

 

[Perrott]

The PS6 having a controller that looks like the PS Portal with a touch-screen that can act as a secondary screen for map, inventory, hud, multi-player scoreboard, chat, in-game puzzles, etc. all rendered on the controller to deliver new gameplay experiences, all while freeing up the console resources.

Can also be then used like the PS Portal to stream all games from the PS6 anywhere via Wi-Fi and is powerful enough to play all PS4 games and is also sold separately just like any Dualsense controller or handheld.

A multi-purpose controller that when I'm finish playing on the living room TV, I can with the touch of a button, switch to Stream Mode and stream from the PS6 while in bed, and when away from home without Wi-Fi, switch to Render Mode and play PS4 games locally.

A hybrid console design that delivers high graphics fidelity via the console and portability via the controller, resulting in the best of both worlds in a single purchase is a bad idea?

And to please people like you, Sony can also have a $700 Pro version that locally play PS5/PS6 games.

How much more expensive would that be vs the insignificant amount of resources being saved though?

It would be a Kinect 2.0 scenario, for a gimmick that would only make the entry price to the ecosystem actually prohibitive for the masses.

 

[Loxus]

How much more expensive would that be vs the insignificant amount of resources being saved though?

It would be a Kinect 2.0 scenario, for a gimmick that would only make the entry price to the ecosystem actually prohibitive for the masses.

Why ignore the other features?

As far as i know, Kinect doesn't work as a portable device.

 

[Perrott]

Why ignore the other features?

As far as i know, Kinect doesn't work as a portable device.

Hijacking the traditional PlayStation home console experience by forcing a Portal-like controller that'd raise the price for the overall package would literally be a Kinect 2.0 scenario regardless of the features brought to the table -- of which Kinect had plenty back then, but paled in comparison to the absurdity of having this stupid camera forced upon users that simply didn't give a damn about it, just like how there are PlayStation players who are not interested in handheld gaming and would absolutely hate your vision for PS6.

Hence why giving customers the choice of picking between a home console PS6, a handheld PS6 or both is the way to go. Even the hybrid Nintendo route is stupid to a certain extent, as I guarantee you that there are millions of Nintendo enthusiasts who'd kill for a non-portable Nintendo Switch 2.

 

[Loxus]

Hijacking the traditional PlayStation home console experience by forcing a Portal-like controller that'd raise the price for the overall package would literally be a Kinect 2.0 scenario regardless of the features brought to the table -- of which Kinect had plenty back then, but paled in comparison to the absurdity of having this stupid camera forced upon users that simply didn't give a damn about it, just like how there are PlayStation players who are not interested in handheld gaming and would absolutely hate your vision for PS6.

Hence why giving customers the choice of picking between a home console PS6, a handheld PS6 or both is the way to go. Even the hybrid Nintendo route is stupid to a certain extent, as I guarantee you that there are millions of Nintendo enthusiasts who'd kill for a non-portable Nintendo Switch 2.

So why is the Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 selling so well as a hybrid design?

Just like Sony mandate PS5 Pro support, Sony can mandate the controller features.

And Jesus Christ, it's not like Sony can't just sell a normal PS6, a normal handheld and a hybrid design.

 

[Det]

But initial price will depend on tariffs etc.

And if the next president is from Republican party he/she can continue his politics in this aspect.

It doesn't matter.

The initial price could be more subsidized because it's assumed that Trump will soon leave office and the tariffs will end.

or

the initial price could be cut after Trump and his tariffs are gone.

The main thing is that there will be legislative elections in the middle of Trump's term. The legislature could simply overturn all the tariffs, after all, that's their responsibility.

 

[Sethbacca]

....as I guarantee you that there are millions of Nintendo enthusiasts who'd kill for a non-portable Nintendo Switch 2.

I'm curious how many people have a switch that never left the dock. Cuz I'm one of them. They could easily sell me a much more powerful machine minus a screen that just attaches to my tv like a normal console. It's just stupid to force everyone to have an extra screen that doesn't even want the fucking thing.

 

[awwr999999]

Basically, you want any growth, reduce costs in such a way that people do not feel they are getting a poorer shoehorned experience. The PS5 will never reach PS4 numbers if by the time the PS6 is released, the cheapest PS5 is still $400+.

They need to get consoles in every bedroom of every house at the lowest price point.
An improved, expanded experience from a platform that's already proven itself would be better than a reduced experience from a newer platform.
They could bring back PS2 with a wired DualSense for $200 and launch a handheld like the Vita that plays the same PS2/1 games natively.
Games are where they'll make money and PS2/1 games are more profitable than PS3/4/5 games.

 

[Perrott]

So why is the Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 selling so well as a hybrid design?

They sell well because they're portable consoles -- the form factor that Nintendo has found the most success in over the years -- and in spite of not delivering a proper home console experience, as there is simply no better legal way to experience Nintendo first-party games.

That's not true for Sony. Let's say the do what you say and end up with a Kinect 2.0 on their hands. You know what's then the better alternative for the user that doesn't want some dumb Wii U-esque controller forced upon them? To play Sony's games on PC or, worst of all, an Xbox PC (through Steam) that'd be more powerful for about the same money than the PS6 w/ Portal 2 controller that you're pitching.

Just like Sony mandate PS5 Pro support, Sony can mandate the controller features.

The thing is, people actually want good PS5 Pro support in games, as that's an objectively good thing to have.

On the other hand, having GTA VI's minimap on your controller's display is just stupid, useless and bad game design. That's the last thing we need. Again, the Wii U fucking sucked and second-screen experiences died for a reason.

And Jesus Christ, it's not like Sony can't just sell a normal PS6, a normal handheld and a hybrid design.

What would be the point in them making a hybrid SKU? At that point, just get the double-dippers to buy both the home console and the handheld -- or just give the latter some sort of video output capabilities, just like the PSP had component AV Out cables or the Vita initially had a fully functional HDMI Out port, that was stripped out of the final product for cost reasons.

There's just no point in you dying on this weird ass hill, out of all things.

 

[kevboard]

Just like Sony mandate PS5 Pro support, Sony can mandate the controller features.

mandating PS5 Pro support is not a thing Sony can do either... because it's not something that can be defined.
PS5 Pro "support" ranges from additional raytracing festures and PSSR, all the way down to a game having a minimally higher dynamic resolution with zero other differences.

so this PS5 Pro Support Mandate™ is nothing of any substance... and thereby is also absolutely unintrusive for developers.

 

[Loxus]

They sell well because they're portable consoles -- the form factor that Nintendo has found the most success in over the years -- and in spite of not delivering a proper home console experience, as there is simply no better legal way to experience Nintendo first-party games.

That's not true for Sony. Let's say the do what you say and end up with a Kinect 2.0 on their hands. You know what's then the better alternative for the user that doesn't want some dumb Wii U-esque controller forced upon them? To play Sony's games on PC or, worst of all, an Xbox PC (through Steam) that'd be more powerful for about the same money than the PS6 w/ Portal 2 controller that you're pitching.

The thing is, people actually want good PS5 Pro support in games, as that's an objectively good thing to have.

On the other hand, having GTA VI's minimap on your controller's display is just stupid, useless and bad game design. That's the last thing we need. Again, the Wii U fucking sucked and second-screen experiences died for a reason.

What would be the point in them making a hybrid SKU? At that point, just get the double-dippers to buy both the home console and the handheld -- or just give the latter some sort of video output capabilities, just like the PSP had component AV Out cables or the Vita initially had a fully functional HDMI Out port, that was stripped out of the final product for cost reasons.

There's just no point in you dying on this weird ass hill, out of all things.

You guys are hilarious.

It's still the PS6 and new handheld.
All I was suggesting is the handheld does more than just be a portable device.

It can be used as a controller as well. But when used as a controller, the screen would be useless, just like the screen of the Switch when it dock mode.

To make the screen useful, I suggested some features (live map, chat, inventory, quest logs, and scoreboards, etc.) all at your fingertips on the screen to make next-gen feel more unique and interesting.

Usually, bundles are cheaper than buying them separately. So I suggested again to remove the regular controller and replace it with the new handheld and call it something like the DualSense Portal instead of the PS Portal 2 and sell it as a bundle for people that are planning on buying both.

Basically, instead of making the console a hybrid portable like the switch. To avoid some of its flaws, the handheld is the hybrid portable device.

Like I said earlier, you can use it like a regular controller or switch to Stream/Render Mode. This would mean the second screen features are optional and wouldn't effect PC games. It just means instead of having to pause and access the menu, these features would be also displayed on the screen when playing in Controller Mode.

This isn't even comparable to the Kinect or WiiU at all, as those devices only serve one purpose. What I suggested is basically a multi-purpose controller/handheld hybrid device.

I cannot even understand who would refuse more features for the same price or less price.

 

[Loxus]

mandating PS5 Pro support is not a thing Sony can do either... because it's not something that can be defined.
PS5 Pro "support" ranges from additional raytracing festures and PSSR, all the way down to a game having a minimally higher dynamic resolution with zero other differences.

so this PS5 Pro Support Mandate™ is nothing of any substance... and thereby is also absolutely unintrusive for developers.

That's exactly what I mean.

Those features are as optional as the PS5 Pro support. How would streaming work it the features I suggested are only possible on a secondary screen?

I swear you guys are trying too hard.
It's just wishful thinking on a Forum in a thread about rumors and not something that your life depends on.

 

[nial]

Loxus Ok, as it went on, your idea may not be as dumb as I thought, just the way that you presented it of being the main push of the PS6. Optional features and optional bundles are fine.

 

[Loxus]

Loxus Ok, as it went on, your idea may not be as dumb as I thought, just the way that you presented it of being the main push of the PS6. Optional features and optional bundles are fine.

I've been saying I want it to be more than a handheld for awhile now.

Post in thread '[Wccftech] PlayStation Handheld to Feature AI Upscaling, 16 GB LPDDR5X RAM, and 16 MB MALL to Offset Lower Memory Bandwidth Compared to Base PS5' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wccf...h-compared-to-base-ps5.1685236/post-270521000

As someone that prefers playing console games on the big screen, I hope it launches with the PS6 and doubles as secondary screen.

Few years ago when we got a Sony patent that suggests a controller with a screen had me hyped for the gameplay mechanics with the secondary screen handing the hud/map/inventory/chat etc. rendered locally, not streaming, for a less clutter or hud less experience on the big screen. I feel like this concept works great for multi-player as well.

The addition of XDNA architecture within the handheld to power some kind of Sony AI Assistant for in-game tips could help make the secondary screen experiences even more enjoyable.

I feel like this handheld should do more than just play PS4/5 games and streaming.

 

[Felessan]

All I was suggesting is the handheld does more than just be a portable device.

And there will be exactly 2 games that support it.
Even Dualsense features used sparsely and it's included with every console. For optional side device most will not bother at all.
And it's not like you can include portable easy - you need to build game around it that should add something to players and in the same time doesn't break gameplay/immersion for players without portable. Too much hassle for developers over no gains.

 

[Gaiff]

They sell well because they're portable consoles -- the form factor that Nintendo has found the most success in over the years -- and in spite of not delivering a proper home console experience, as there is simply no better legal way to experience Nintendo first-party games.

How do they not deliver a proper home console experience? You dock them and plug them to your TV like any other console. What else do they need?

 

[pacman4000]

How do they not deliver a proper home console experience? You dock them and plug them to your TV like any other console. What else do they need?

More powah

 

[Physiognomonics]

In his latest video MLID says he is most excited about the PS5 handheld, then Magnus and finally PS6. I agree with him. And I bet most gaming enthousiasts owning a PC will.

At first he says Magnus and PS6 power gap could be a bit higher than PS5 / XSX and the PS6 will be cheaper. But he is really not sure about the power gap as plenty of things like clocks could favor one or the other console.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

In his latest video MLID says he is most excited about the PS5 handheld, then Magnus and finally PS6. I agree with him. And I bet most gaming enthousiasts owning a PC will.

At first he says Magnus and PS6 power gap could be a bit higher than PS5 / XSX and the PS6 will be cheaper. But he is really not sure about the power gap as plenty of things like clocks could favor one or the other console.

Same.

Am excited for PS Portable and Magnus, with its PC store support.

What exactly is there to get excited about PS6? Seems like a RTX 5070 level system for cheap. Or maybe 5080 level but launching 3 yrs later. Only thing worth getting excited about is low price.

 

[Loxus]

And there will be exactly 2 games that support it.
Even Dualsense features used sparsely and it's included with every console. For optional side device most will not bother at all.
And it's not like you can include portable easy - you need to build game around it that should add something to players and in the same time doesn't break gameplay/immersion for players without portable. Too much hassle for developers over no gains.

Just say you hate video games dude.

Some features are there by default and the other features are just a matter of being rendered on a secondary screen. It's not like thery aren't already have to create a map in the first place.

And how the hell is having a secondary screen that you just have to look down and back up, break gameplay/immersive but having to fuck pause to go in different menus isn't?

It's to much hassle to get a map on a second screen, but not to get the whole game running on the handheld? Get to fuck outta here with that bullshit. In fact, by your logic, the developers don't have to support the handheld either and it'll just end like the Vita.

Sony can do like with the digital PS5 and the disk drive. Sell consoles with and without the handheld. Like Jesus Christ, you guys are pathetic picking on every little thing on a forum.

 

[Felessan]

Just say you hate video games dude.

I love videogames. I hate random shit no one wants in them.
I am not 12yo and I have experience working in IT - **every** feature cost money and time. And efforts to make it viable.
So these money/time/efforts should be spent elsewhere, where it really matters. It's not like AAA games takes 2 years and 30 mil to make and have spectacular graphics and performance.

And how the hell is having a secondary screen that you just have to look down and back up, break gameplay/immersive but having to fuck pause to go in different menus isn't?

You seems not to understand
Feature must be useful for players and not some shitty gimmick
At the same time those without portable shouldn't feel like they are missing something or have their experience impaired
It's very hard to balance between these two.
You don't see dualsense features used in multiplatform eve though PS is the biggest platform. And portable+PS6 will be a minority use case, pushing support even lower.

It's to much hassle to get a map on a second screen, but not to get the whole game running on the handheld? Get to fuck outta here with that bullshit. In fact, by your logic, the developers don't have to support the handheld either and it'll just end like the Vita.

I think about things ~rationaly~. And explore possibilities and implications properly.
Not just fantasize about crazy shit that will never take of in reality.

Even Sony will not bother with "map on the second screen" - this idiocy died somewhere during PS3 era when there were some ideas about it (and it was phones as second screen). Not gonna work.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I love videogames. I hate random shit no one wants in them.

Translation:
"I don't want in them:

 

[Loxus]

I love videogames. I hate random shit no one wants in them.
I am not 12yo and I have experience working in IT - **every** feature cost money and time. And efforts to make it viable.
So these money/time/efforts should be spent elsewhere, where it really matters. It's not like AAA games takes 2 years and 30 mil to make and have spectacular graphics and performance.


You seems not to understand
Feature must be useful for players and not some shitty gimmick
At the same time those without portable shouldn't feel like they are missing something or have their experience impaired
It's very hard to balance between these two.
You don't see dualsense features used in multiplatform eve though PS is the biggest platform. And portable+PS6 will be a minority use case, pushing support even lower.


I think about things ~rationaly~. And explore possibilities and implications properly.
Not just fantasize about crazy shit that will never take of in reality.

Even Sony will not bother with "map on the second screen" - this idiocy died somewhere during PS3 era when there were some ideas about it (and it was phones as second screen). Not gonna work.

The way how you and others are acting over my opinion and it is completely optional and at no added cost, since it's just the PS6 and the new handheld but with added features when paired together is hilarious.

The game is already installed on the handheld but when used as a controller, only certain stuff is displayed on the screen. It's completely optional.

 

[Felessan]

The way how you and others are acting over my opinion and it is completely optional and at no added cost, since it's just the PS6 and the new handheld but with added features when paired together is hilarious.

There is no such thing as "no added cost".
You will pay for it in some sort - lack of other features, increased game dev time, lower quality etc. NO things in this life is free, the fact that you don't see the cost doesn't mean it not exists.

The game is already installed on the handheld but when used as a controller, only certain stuff is displayed on the screen. It's completely optional.

Its clear that you know nothing about it.
But to make it possible both Sony (via protocols, API and OS integration) and Game developer (via supporting split screen functionality in game) have to do some work.
It much more complex story that your naive assumptions.

 

[Loxus]

There is no such thing as "no added cost".
You will pay for it in some sort - lack of other features, increased game dev time, lower quality etc. NO things in this life is free, the fact that you don't see the cost doesn't mean it not exists.


Its clear that you know nothing about it.
But to make it possible both Sony (via protocols, API and OS integration) and Game developer (via supporting split screen functionality in game) have to do some work.
It much more complex story that your naive assumptions.

Dude, the games are already running on the handheld. Which part of that you don't understand. Devs just have to code the handheld to only display menu stuff, instead of running the entire game.

Sony then have special software to handle all the syncing.

When i say no added cost, I meant purchasing both the handheld and console. You are acting like it's something different from the handheld.

I swear this is ban bait.

 

[Loxus]

All I'm saying is as someone who is buying both, I would like Sony to do a bundle without the regular controller. Where I'm from, we have to pay more than double the retail price. Any cost saving measures are always welcome.

I prefer to play on the big screen when home, instead of the handheld just laying around doing nothing. I can use it as a secondary screen.

It's not forced on the gamers to use or the devs to support. It's just a possible option if you own both. Just like the VR headset, it's optional.

No reason to get all upset over nothing.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

They need to get consoles in every bedroom of every house at the lowest price point.
An improved, expanded experience from a platform that's already proven itself would be better than a reduced experience from a newer platform.
They could bring back PS2 with a wired DualSense for $200 and launch a handheld like the Vita that plays the same PS2/1 games natively.
Games are where they'll make money and PS2/1 games are more profitable than PS3/4/5 games.

I dont6 know about the PS2 thing, but I agree that lower price is the best way to build market share for a platform that is already wanted. Cause if no one wants your platform, it wouldn't matter how much you lower the price.

On this, I feel sony already stumbled onto the right idea with the PS Portal. What they need to do is allow the PS Portal be a streaming-only platform, and allow you can stream PS4, PS5 or PS6 games to it. Hell everything. Locally and outside your home, whether or not you have a console. You buy one game, and you can either install it on your console or stream.

Something like that at $200 should represent the cheapest PS console. Hell, they should even allow you to stream PS games to any of the consoles.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They need to get consoles in every bedroom of every house at the lowest price point.
An improved, expanded experience from a platform that's already proven itself would be better than a reduced experience from a newer platform.
They could bring back PS2 with a wired DualSense for $200 and launch a handheld like the Vita that plays the same PS2/1 games natively.
Games are where they'll make money and PS2/1 games are more profitable than PS3/4/5 games.

With the way chip costs are and console makers wanting to breakeven or even make profit off each console (vs the old days of losing $100-200/system), you wont see cheap powerful consoles ever again unless a miracle happens.

Best hope for cheap consoles is the console makers purposely go shitty on spec bumps and maybe with tech evolution it can still edge out a performance boost at the same $400.

 

[Unknown?]

But initial price will depend on tariffs etc.

And if the next president is from Republican party he/she can continue his politics in this aspect.

Who cares about the president? The Federal Reserve chairman has way more power over the economy than the president.

 

[Tobimacoss]

I dont6 know about the PS2 thing, but I agree that lower price is the best way to build market share for a platform that is already wanted. Cause if no one wants your platform, it wouldn't matter how much you lower the price.

On this, I feel sony already stumbled onto the right idea with the PS Portal. What they need to do is allow the PS Portal be a streaming-only platform, and allow you can stream PS4, PS5 or PS6 games to it. Hell everything. Locally and outside your home, whether or not you have a console. You buy one game, and you can either install it on your console or stream.

Something like that at $200 should represent the cheapest PS console. Hell, they should even allow you to stream PS games to any of the consoles.

Why limit streaming to $199 hardware?

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/play

Xbox Cloud Gaming including Buy and Stream is available on any device with a chromium browser.