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[pacman4000]

the rumours are it's going to play all ps6 games, so potentially an extreme series x/s situation little concerned about that to be honest, however I think cross gen gonn last well into next gen

MLiD speculation or actual rumours?

 

[Det]

MLiD speculation or actual rumours?

That have already changed:

1:36:55

Now there are more than 8 CPU cores

 

[Bojji]

That have already changed:

1:36:55

Now there are more than 8 CPU cores

And 7GHz! LOL.

This guy really likes to fuck up his reputation after every genuine leak.

 

[Gaiff]

Oh, absolutely understand, but as is brought up here constantly, nobody wants to fuck with constant driver updates, a shitty interface for using from the couch, and way the fuck more cheaters. PC is a superior experience if you wanna sit at a desk, but it's dogshit if you just wanna plug and play from your couch. There's a reason Steam is making inroads into Windows market share, and it's because it's a clearly superior game focused interface, and at some point the PC experience on a big screen may get to the point where it's worthwhile, but for now it's a hard pass for me.

 

[Aaravos]

MLiD speculation or actual rumours?

He's definitely hit and miss however Kepler seemed agree with him, I'm hoping plans have changed though because I don't have any interest portable console. Also what would be the point of releasing a handheld in late 2027 that only play ps5/4? all these pc handheld play new stuff, that's why I think entire ps6 generation will be cross gen all games will be playable on ps5 thus they will on the PS handheld

 

[Loxus]

That have already changed:

1:36:55

Now there are more than 8 CPU cores

That's the PS6, which should be 12 cores to match Zen6 desktop CCD not the handheld. But I can see the handheld increasing to 8 cores.

 

[Loxus]

And 7GHz! LOL.

This guy really likes to fuck up his reputation after every genuine leak.

Kepler is expecting the both GPUs (PS6/Next Xbox) to be clocked above 3GHz, so this isn't that far-fetched coming from a guy that's been leaking some solid stuff lately.

 

[Bojji]

Kepler is expecting the both GPUs (PS6/Next Xbox) to be clocked above 3GHz, so this isn't that far-fetched coming from a guy that's been leaking some solid stuff lately.

I can believe 3GHz for GPU but not 7GHz for CPU. Not in APU form and not with that rumored power draw.

Zen 6 is rumored to be over 7GHz on desktop but console cpus always had (sometimes much) lower clocks than desktop variants.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I can believe 3GHz for GPU but not 7GHz for CPU. Not in APU form and not with that rumored power draw.

Zen 6 is rumored to be over 7GHz on desktop but console cpus always had (sometimes much) lower clocks than desktop variants.

My criticism of MLiD is well documented on these boards, but my hunch is that he's deliberately putting out small pieces of fake information so that he doesn't compromise his sources.

 

[Loxus]

Is he confirming the PS6 will have an NPU (XDNA)?

 

[Loxus]

My criticism of MLiD is well documented on these boards, but my hunch is that he's deliberately putting out small pieces of fake information so that he doesn't compromise his sources.

Or intentionally holding back info.
Same with Kepler, that's why I don't ask him to much, if any questions at all.

These guys will give us the leaks when the time is right.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Is he confirming the PS6 will have an NPU (XDNA)?

Honestly I don't see an NPU happening, die size is too especially if they're aiming for something more than 300 TOPS (PS5 Pro's ML power).

It'll be ML cores integrated into the GPU as they have done previously and as Nvidia do it. I'd put money on that.

 

[KeplerL2]

Is he confirming the PS6 will have an NPU (XDNA)?

Doubt it considering AMD is deprecating NPUs going forward

 

[Loxus]

Doubt it considering AMD is deprecating NPUs going forward

Yeah, I realized XDNA isn't under there AI Solutions anymore.

 

[Loxus]

Honestly I don't see an NPU happening, die size is too especially if they're aiming for something more than 300 TOPS (PS5 Pro's ML power).

It'll be ML cores integrated into the GPU as they have done previously and as Nvidia do it. I'd put money on that.

Not for upscaling.

GPU: Renders geometry, lighting, and effects. AI accelerators for upscaling, denoising, and frame generation.

NPU: Processes heavy AI models (NPC decisions, animation synthesis, procedural events). And system level AI Assistant.

At least that's how I can see Microsoft using the NPU.

 

[saintjules]

That have already changed:

1:36:55

Now there are more than 8 CPU cores

When I try to understand the end result



/s

 

[vaibhavpisal]

NPU: Processes heavy AI models (NPC decisions, animation synthesis, procedural events). And system level AI Assistant.

At least that's how I can see Microsoft using the NPU.

We are not there yet, are we?

AI talk in MS conference sounds more like forward looking speculation.

 

[Det]

What are the chances that these leaks are about Valve stuff and not Sony stuff?

 

[KeplerL2]

What are the chances that these leaks are about Valve stuff and not Sony stuff?

Zero

 

[Neo_game]

It doesn't take much to turn it on and have the screen come on the switch and not the TV, which would massively skew the stats.

The data was from Nintendo itself. They obviously knows what games people are playing on Switch and how they are playing. docked only mode is 18%.

Kepler is expecting the both GPUs (PS6/Next Xbox) to be clocked above 3GHz, so this isn't that far-fetched coming from a guy that's been leaking some solid stuff lately.

For PS6 I am sure they will clock it high as it has only some 40's CU. How much power will it be required for 68CU to run more than 3Ghz ?

 

[Neo_game]

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[SABRE220]

And 7GHz! LOL.

This guy really likes to fuck up his reputation after every genuine leak.

Yeah, I was already skeptical of the specs and now I'll definitely take it with a grain of salt. He said the apu was already locked down and now the cpu magically has 4 more cores, he says the console will be much lower tdp than the ps5 and will require less expensive cooling but the cpu might be 7ghz...I mean he has to know how stupid 7ghz sounds.

 

[pacman4000]

He's definitely hit and miss however Kepler seemed agree with him, I'm hoping plans have changed though because I don't have any interest portable console. Also what would be the point of releasing a handheld in late 2027 that only play ps5/4? all these pc handheld play new stuff, that's why I think entire ps6 generation will be cross gen all games will be playable on ps5 thus they will on the PS handheld

While I do believe that like 99% of all PS6 games will be released on the PS5 (and the PSP) as well (just because it makes sense financially and that they therefore will have the required scalability) I also believe (hope) they won't make PSP (or even PS5) [versions of PS6 games] mandatory.

Edit: I also believe that MLiD doesn't have access to that kind of information. He's just speculating and like magic that turns into "rumor says..."....

 

[Loxus]

Yeah, I was already skeptical of the specs and now I'll definitelyitely take it witha a grain of salt. He said the apu was already locked down and now the cpu magically has 4 more cores, he says the console will be much lower tdp than the ps5 and will require less expensive cooling but the cpu might be 7ghz...I mean he has to know how stupid 7ghz sounds.

The leak is from a 2023 AMD Presentation.
It is clearly stated in red, so it's not a given that those are the actual specs.

After his PS5 Pro's video got taken down, he is most likely walking on thin ice with everything he says about the PS6.

I mean, he could just leak the actual PS6 specs, but that has major implications on his sources and probably even himself.

At this point, it's clear he has an insider/source within AMD/Sony, so I'll believe him. It's not like money is on the line if he's wrong. My life will go on as normal.

 

[Dural]

Not for upscaling.

GPU: Renders geometry, lighting, and effects. AI accelerators for upscaling, denoising, and frame generation.

NPU: Processes heavy AI models (NPC decisions, animation synthesis, procedural events). And system level AI Assistant.

At least that's how I can see Microsoft using the NPU.

Doesn't Auto Super Resolution in Windows use the NPU of the Snapdragon X and soon AMD and Intel CPUs for upscaling?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Steam Deck is a success for the type of device it is and the little market it takes part in. PlayStation's handheld is on a totally different market and will outsell the Steam Deck's LTD sales just two quarters in.

Couldn't disagree with this more. This is one of those situations where the only way to call something a success is by moving the posts.

Steam Deck is a gaming handheld. Like the Switch and Switch 2. Thats what it is, lets not call it anything else. It's also not a niche market; the Switch almost eclipsed PS2 numbers.

The Switch 2 costs more than the Steam Deck launched at, is even less powerful and in less than 2 months, it has sold more units than the Steam Deck in its lifetime. But somehow, a PS portable would be deemed as a failure if it doesn't push switch 2 numbers and only sells as much as a Steam Deck, even though they all pretty much play the same games?

No. The Steam Deck is a failure. I do not unbderstand why its afforded all this grace when the numbers just says otherwise. Even the PS Vita managed to sell more units.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Why is a Steam Deck considered a success in a niche market but a PS handheld considered a failure if only selling as much as a Steam Deck or if it sells only like 20M units in its lifetime, when they both play the exact same games and cost the same?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

My life will go on as normal.

You dont know that, I will believe him because you believe him, then if he turns out to be wrong, I will blame you, after having made like 100 posts on said belief hierarchy.... my response may not be rational. Just saying...

 

[Loxus]

Doesn't Auto Super Resolution in Windows use the NPU of the Snapdragon X and soon AMD and Intel CPUs for upscaling?

FSR3 would still be the main upscaling option. Microsoft just being Microsoft, like the time they were hyping ML in the Series X.

 

[Knightime_X]

Me after seeing the $50-$100 ps5 price increase announcement in the other thread

 

[nial]

Couldn't disagree with this more. This is one of those situations where the only way to call something a success is by moving the posts.

Steam Deck is a gaming handheld. Like the Switch and Switch 2. Thats what it is, lets not call it anything else. It's also not a niche market; the Switch almost eclipsed PS2 numbers.

Yes, it is. One is a handheld gaming PC, the other is a handheld video game console. Two different markets, and Steam Deck is (seemingly) the best-selling device of the former.

The Switch 2 costs more than the Steam Deck launched at, is even less powerful and in less than 2 months, it has sold more units than the Steam Deck in its lifetime. But somehow, a PS portable would be deemed as a failure if it doesn't push switch 2 numbers and only sells as much as a Steam Deck, even though they all pretty much play the same games?

No. The Steam Deck is a failure. I do not unbderstand why its afforded all this grace when the numbers just says otherwise. Even the PS Vita managed to sell more units.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Why is a Steam Deck considered a success in a niche market but a PS handheld considered a failure if only selling as much as a Steam Deck or if it sells only like 20M units in its lifetime, when they both play the exact same games and cost the same?

Because the PS6P, a handheld video game console, would be competing directly with Nintendo on a market with a MUCH higher ceiling. 60-70M units would be great when considering the fact that it'll be part of the larger PS6 family of system, and not something standalone like the PSP and the PS Vita.
But also the same thing that ZehDon couldn't manage to understand when it comes to Valve directly competing with console manufacturers like SIE or Nintendo; they literally can't:

I clearly commented on the huge gulf between Sony's sales and marketing capabilities versus any of the handheld PC manufacturers. Sony will be selling a hugely-marketed device targeted at the mass market, with a global reach and enormous retail push, and people will naturally relate it to the best-selling video game consoles (PlayStation 5, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch 2). Neither Valve nor Asus can realistically compete with that

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Zero

Eh, that's fine. I'm still personally more interested in what Valve could be bringing hardware-wise going forward than both Microsoft or Sony, in terms of something I'd like to upgrade to.

Especially considering trends with console pricing this gen, and myself just becoming personally dissociative with a lot of modern gaming trends/practices.

Couldn't disagree with this more. This is one of those situations where the only way to call something a success is by moving the posts.

Steam Deck is a gaming handheld. Like the Switch and Switch 2. Thats what it is, lets not call it anything else. It's also not a niche market; the Switch almost eclipsed PS2 numbers.

The Switch 2 costs more than the Steam Deck launched at, is even less powerful and in less than 2 months, it has sold more units than the Steam Deck in its lifetime. But somehow, a PS portable would be deemed as a failure if it doesn't push switch 2 numbers and only sells as much as a Steam Deck, even though they all pretty much play the same games?

No. The Steam Deck is a failure. I do not unbderstand why its afforded all this grace when the numbers just says otherwise. Even the PS Vita managed to sell more units.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Why is a Steam Deck considered a success in a niche market but a PS handheld considered a failure if only selling as much as a Steam Deck or if it sells only like 20M units in its lifetime, when they both play the exact same games and cost the same?

The Steam Deck isn't a failure . Do you guys not understand that they never put that thing into mass production volumes or pushed physical retail sales, or traditional advertising venues? All of which are things you need to do in order to get mainstream sales numbers for a console since forever?

People are out here acting like Valve utilized the Steam Deck for anything more than a value incentive to increase select user spend in the wider Steam ecosystem to drive a bit more visibility and profits from power users. They had nothing resembling a business model to compete with Sony, Nintendo or even Microsoft with that device, so it makes no sense to compare it along those lines.

 

[bitbydeath]

The data was from Nintendo itself. They obviously knows what games people are playing on Switch and how they are playing. docked only mode is 18%.

I was referring to the hybrid stats.
Hybrid could still equal docked only as I would be counted as hybrid due to the issue I mentioned.

 

[Neo_game]

I was referring to the hybrid stats.
Hybrid could still equal docked only as I would be counted as hybrid due to the issue I mentioned.

I don't think so. Nintendo has always been a handheld giant. I can't remember last time they made successful conventional gaming console. Otherwise they could release proper console playing COD, GTA all third party games etc and also have nintendo games as well. But they refuse to make that console for some reason. In future if their data suggest handheld is irrelevant or not much people using it. I think they might release a proper console again, but I doubt it.

 

[Loxus]

I don't think so. Nintendo has always been a handheld giant. I can't remember last time they made successful conventional gaming console. Otherwise they could release proper console playing COD, GTA all third party games etc and also have nintendo games as well. But they refuse to make that console for some reason. In future if their data suggest handheld is irrelevant or not much people using it. I think they might release a proper console again, but I doubt it.

True.
I saw this the other day, which shows the scale of sales by each console manufacturer.

Put Switch under handheld and it shows Nintendo really is a handheld giant.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Accidentally posted this in the Xbox next-gen thread o.0.

New MLID video with lots of Canis (PS6 handheld) information. Big takeaways for me: apparently it'll have a Docked Mode, it has 6 CPU cores (4x "big" Zen 6C cores, 2x small Zen 6 cores for the OS), and it has a 192-bit memory bus. Oh, and it could potentially support a shitton of memory (limit seems 48 GB, will likely be less).

Anything you can add onto this K KeplerL2 , Proelite ?

 

[KeplerL2]

Accidentally posted this in the Xbox next-gen thread o.0.

New MLID video with lots of Canis (PS6 handheld) information. Big takeaways for me: apparently it'll have a Docked Mode, it has 6 CPU cores (4x "big" Zen 6C cores, 2x small Zen 6 cores for the OS), and it has a 192-bit memory bus. Oh, and it could potentially support a shitton of memory (limit seems 48 GB, will likely be less).

Anything you can add onto this K KeplerL2 , Proelite ?

A bit skeptical of docked mode, everything I have seen only mentioned Canis running at low power/low voltages. Also that RAM speculation is very dubious.

 

[pacman4000]

A bit skeptical of docked mode, everything I have seen only mentioned Canis running at low power/low voltages. Also that RAM speculation is very dubious.

And the 6 CPU cores part?

(It makes, to me, a lot more sense than the previous 4 cores rumor)

 

[KeplerL2]

And the 6 CPU cores part?

(It makes, to me, a lot more sense than the previous 4 cores rumor)

I don't have any information on the CPU but 4c+2LP makes sense

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

A bit skeptical of docked mode, everything I have seen only mentioned Canis running at low power/low voltages. Also that RAM speculation is very dubious.

Yeah, the RAM part sounds pie-in-the-sky just going from what we know of current portables on the market. FWIW his sources are devs, but it's also a pattern devs have always asked for surpluses or RAM every gen. They'll make due with whatever it ends up with (maybe 24 GB max, could be a bit lower?).

If it's got a 192-bit bus tho, is it possible Magnus's bus width is 384-bit after all? Just hard to picture a non-portable system would have the same bus width as a handheld.

 

[Zathalus]

No. The Steam Deck is a failure. I do not unbderstand why its afforded all this grace when the numbers just says otherwise. Even the PS Vita managed to sell more units.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Why is a Steam Deck considered a success in a niche market but a PS handheld considered a failure if only selling as much as a Steam Deck or if it sells only like 20M units in its lifetime, when they both play the exact same games and cost the same?

The Steam Deck is not a dedicated platform and never has been. It's simply one of the many, many ways to access and play your Steam library and other than being a handheld is probably one of the worst ways of doing so. For most users it is an accessory and not a primary gaming platform.

It needs to be looked through the lens of a laptop. Some gaming laptop models sell a hundred thousand units at most, that hardly makes those models failures. I doubt any single gaming laptop or prebuilt gets anywhere near Steam Deck numbers. And this is even more impressive considering it has near zero retail presence, can only be bought on Steam, took ages to roll out to some countries, and is still unavailable in many others.

Considering the device was sold out in minutes and took months for stock to stabilise, Valve likely considers it overwhelming success story.

A similar sort of logic would apply to the PS handheld. Sony would be more concerned for the total PlayStation ecosystem and if the handheld only makes up 10-20% of sales while overall numbers grow it would likely be considered a success.