Shogmaster
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10 goddamned modules I guess. Messy as Series X.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think it was a similar 'no supplies' case as we're seeing right now where an entire years worth of memory has already been pre bought by one industry and major manufacturers are exiting the consumer market just to focus on the corporate market.
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In terms of available supply it was actually much worse than now, however little did we know TSMC was a benevolent dictator, because despite the insane demand for 7nm they barely raised prices during the shortage. Meanwhile Micron/SK Hynix/Samsung see the shortage and immediately doubled prices.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Sony has been making hardware since what the 1940s? They have powers that Valve does not.
Proelite
Member
Clamshell like the PS4.
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asdasdasdbb
Member
That's why I think Magnus is entirely why that wasn't an option. The 4 GB chips aren't going to be available until sometime in 2028.
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bender
What time is it?
What we are experiencing now is on another level from pandemic shortages.
Tobimacoss
Member
New games will have to be Console SKUs, GDKX created and fixed spec hardware Optimized for hardware with unified memory architecture.
It's simple, you don't need only one or two Magnus tier powerful devices just to run PC versions that scale to hardware.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Looks like Totilo has more quotes from Epic and they're a lot more blunt about their intentions.
www.gamefile.news
Epic’s plans for its game store include launching on the next Xbox
Plus: Horses' Epic Games Store roadblock, revisited. And how EGS did in 2025.
www.gamefile.news
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DyeHardX86
Neo Member
Hm interesting just saw the Epic statement of building an app why would they need to if it's just Windows 11 FSE? Common sense reasoning many have missed including myself well spotted!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Thank you for the free 300+ game library, Epic.
EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
Epic game store on next Xbox isn't that basically the entirety of PC gaming? Amen!
Topher
Identifies as young
lol....no
Tobimacoss
Member
They did say Curated Console. MS Store on PC has rule, that any third party store is allowed, without any cuts to MS but they need to have minimum of 20 item inventory of games.
The device will be closed for security and open for competition. So locked bootloader, and can't just run any .executables. The PC stores would need to either provide an MSIX bundle like what EGS and Firefox do on MS Store, and the games would probably run inside a PC container.
That's why they're building BOTH Xbox PC and Xbox Console with the Magnus hardware.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
That's 6GB chips. 4GB no problem.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Magnus is required part of the hybrid. Developing and porting games for its specs sounds logical, especially since it almost guarantees AT2 being the most popular new gen PC GPU other than the cheapies.
demigod
Member
Don't you worry old man, there is no place for you to run.
demigod
Member
He just can't accept that some of us Playstation fans have been gaming on PC since the 90s.
Topher
Identifies as young
DOA, if your guesses are accurate. Microsoft trying to explain all that to customers will be worse than the Xbox One debacle. Microsoft insists on over-complicating everything.
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Tobimacoss
Member
Not really, it was never meant to be a open PC anyways. A lot of people asking Apple to combine macOS and ipadOS into a Surface like product but Apple refuses to do it because they don't want the product form factors to merge and lose out on separate revenues.
Think of the Xbox Magnus Consoles as the iPad of PCs, but instead of being forced by governments to allow competition, MS is doing it proactively because they know the devices will sell better that way and OEMs will continue making them. They still want to keep the devices secure of hacking, piracy, cheating, fraud etc.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm not the one that needs the explanation. It's the vast majority of consumers out there that don't read about this every single day that are going to be greeted with a confusing mess of "Xbox" on MS and OEM devices. In the end, I see a hell of a lot of people's eyes glazing over at "xbox" thrown around everywhere which was already made worse by the absurd "this is an xbox" ad campaign. Anyone suggesting Apple should follow Microsoft's lead when it comes to their consumer devices isn't serious.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's "different" now, but not sure it's worse. I'm 100% sure some of you guys just kinda forgot how bad the supply shortages were in 2020 - 2022. It's crazy that a few years of stability makes people forget how bad things were.
Topher
Identifies as young
I don't really think anyone forgot anything. Gaming sector is coming up on another period higher prices due to a different set of factors. We can reflect on past events but what does that change about what the industry is facing today?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
People be that way when you're not total PCMR cringe-fest for it all the time. And we also recognize the importance of consoles for the overall gaming industry.
And at one time, Sony had banger after banger with their first party games which took over the zeitgeist of gaming conversations. And made a lot of people upset.
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Looks like Totilo has more quotes from Epic and they're a lot more blunt about their intentions.
Epic’s plans for its game store include launching on the next Xbox
Plus: Horses' Epic Games Store roadblock, revisited. And how EGS did in 2025.
It's always this misinformation with Microsoft.
And obviously the press buys into it, after all, doing 10 articles about how the new "Xbox" runs a bunch of things that the "Xbox" never ran gets more audience than ONE article "it's a PC with an Xbox sticker".
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
To disguise the defeat, total confusion is better than saying "Xbox is bankrupt, let's sell a PC that emulates the Series X".
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sadly, nobody is putting out banger after banger like they once did. Not even Nintendo.
Negotiator101
Member
It's possible to use an Xbox controller with a PS5 but that's definitely not what's happening here.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
This generation has been major let down for me from a first party standpoint
Third party has carried this gen so far
Topher
Identifies as young
Thankfully, I think third party has been damn good, especially from more indie-aligned studios.
I humbly believe that if Microsoft offers a typical console box, with a controller, a fast and simple UI that runs new and past Xbox games, and you plug it into the TV... it will be enough for the vast majority of people.
It will be as simple as clearly explaining what you're offering with your product to those looking for a traditional console experience........ and then, second step, clearly explaining what the "novelty" or added benefit of being able to play games from other stores simultaneously means to those looking for extra reasons or value proposition to choose this new hardware over other options on the market (price, power, catalog, support, lifespan, compatibility, subscriptions, etc.).
In other words, the first step should be to clearly explain the basics and then go into the extra details, even though those are or will become equally important.
And yes, it's something silly that shouldn't need explaining, but the situation, the social media misinformation and the lack of clarity from those in charge at Xbox, etc.... has reached a point where the first thing is to explain the basics
Possible "XBOXPC" OEMS with de Magnus/console Xbox architecture?? This should be something to explain for AMD, Asus, Lenovo etc and MS but in a time after the New Xbox launch.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The best third party-styled published game for me that I keep going back to almost daily, unironically is a first party game by Sony.
Helldivers 2. Make it make sense.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
A closed PC is not a PC its a Mac.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
I'm saying late November 2027 or spring 2028 more likely
Topher
Identifies as young
I humbly believe that if Microsoft offers a typical console box, with a controller, a fast and simple UI that runs new and past Xbox games, and you plug it into the TV... it will be enough for the vast majority of people.
It will be as simple as clearly explaining what you're offering with your product to those looking for a traditional console experience........ and then, second step, clearly explaining what the "novelty" or added benefit of being able to play games from other stores simultaneously means to those looking for extra reasons or value proposition to choose this new hardware over other options on the market (price, power, catalog, support, lifespan, compatibility, subscriptions, etc.).
In other words, the first step should be to clearly explain the basics and then go into the extra details, even though those are or will become equally important.
And yes, it's something silly that shouldn't need explaining, but the situation, the social media misinformation and the lack of clarity from those in charge at Xbox, etc.... has reached a point where the first thing is to explain the basics
Possible "XBOXPC" OEMS with de Magnus/console Xbox architecture?? This should be something to explain for AMD, Asus, Lenovo etc and MS but in a time after the New Xbox launch.
We will see. I agree that a lot is going to depend on how they approach the launch. Microsoft really needs to put some separation between the strategies because they are really targeting different groups of gamers. Cannot take a shotgun approach to this. If they do what you are suggesting, a simple console first and foremost, then that would be a good start. They still have massive hurdles to overcome with pricing of these high speced devices as well as trying to find a way to make Xbox hardware relevant again. They have run the gamut trying to find ways that move the needle, but I can't help but think back to when Xbox 360 did just that by being the simpler, cheaper option.
Bitstream
Member
With a steady slate of killer releases, this console could be a complete revival of the brand and help claw back some of the market share it's lost since the 360 era.
or
It could very well be the end of the xbox brand altogether.
I'm excited either way! Phil spencer going to save next next gen gaming!
or
It could very well be the end of the xbox brand altogether.
I'm excited either way! Phil spencer going to save next next gen gaming!
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bender
What time is it?
It's the industry I work in. I haven't forgotten.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The point is Sony was able to manage it well, considering the global crisis that was happening. So shouldn't we believe they'd be able to manage it this time around? Plus, they are a hardware company first and foremost. We should sometimes separate them out from some of their competitors.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They more than likely have some leverage since they're the top imaging sensor producer in the world. AI data centers, Samsung (and others) televisions, top smartphones, Hollywood production, even the fabs that produce the RAM themselves all rely on their imaging sensors. Sony has also had their own AI data centers for quite some time.
You wash my back, we wash yours scenarios.
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mayham2199
Member
Had no idea their sensors were used for all this stuff. Good info.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
A little bit of AI infos:
Sony's imaging sensors, particularly its Intelligent Vision Sensors (IMX500/IMX501), are pioneering the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) directly onto the sensor, transforming how AI data centers and edge AI systems process visual information. Unlike traditional sensors that send raw images to a data center, these chips perform AI processing on the sensor itself, outputting only metadata, reducing latency, bandwidth, and power consumption.
Key Sony sensors and platforms for AI applications include:
1. Sony IMX500/IMX501 Intelligent Vision Sensors
These are the primary sensors designed for "Edge AI" and data center-connected systems.
- On-Chip AI: Features a stacked configuration (pixel chip + logic chip) with a built-in AI engine and memory to process data directly on the sensor.
- Metadata Output: Instead of sending massive raw image files, the sensor outputs only necessary metadata (e.g., coordinates, object counts), which enhances privacy and reduces data transfer costs.
- Performance: Capable of high-speed AI processing (e.g., 3.1 milliseconds for MobileNet V1).
- Applications: Used for real-time tracking, such as retail analytics (counting visitors, shelf stock shortages), smart city security, and industrial automation.
2. AITRIOS Edge AI Platform
Sony's AITRIOS is a comprehensive platform that combines these intelligent sensors with AI management software. It helps developers easily deploy and manage Vision AI applications, bridging the gap between edge devices and cloud-based AI data centers.
3. Other AI-Enabled Sensors
- IMX636 (Event-based Vision Sensor): Co-developed with Prophesee, this sensor is designed to detect fast movements and luminance changes, ideal for industrial robotics and high-speed monitoring.
- Pregius S Series (CMOS Global Shutter): High-speed, high-resolution sensors used in machine vision for manufacturing, enabling precise AI-based inspection.
- SWIR (Short Wavelength Infra-Red) Sensors: These sensors (e.g., IMX992) use Sony's Cu-Cu bonding to combine visible and SWIR light for industrial inspections that are invisible to the human eye.
4. Key Technological Innovations
- Stacked CMOS Structure: The stacking of a pixel chip on top of a logic chip is the foundational technology for Sony's intelligent sensors.
- Cu-Cu (Copper-Copper) Bonding: This technology allows for high-density connections between the pixel and logic layers, essential for the high-speed processing capabilities.
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demigod
Member
You're not going to grow with a $1200+ console. It's only downhill for them here on out.
They didn't grow with a $300 console either...
Baki
Member
X360 says
hi! The problem is Phil.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Baki
Member
Nah, it was 100% recoverable. Phil was handed a massive check and just dropped the bag. Its no surprise, when he was head of 1st party studios, output was shit, and that continued to be the case even after acquiring studios. His big brain idea was a sub platform.
mayham2199
Member
This is when I bounced. They could have still got me back with great exclusives though and Titan Fall almost did it. I got the system played Titan Fall, hated it and returned the whole system. I still remember the lady at best buy staring me down as she demanded that I wait while they test the system. I assume she thought I was trying to switch it out with a broken one or something like that (something my cousin did). I didn't care waited for her to test everything got my refund and left.
Thinking back I don't know if it would have even mattered if the system was broken. I still returned it within 7 days I think Best buy still has to take it back.
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