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[JohnnyFootball]

So when people aren't buying them because they are too expensive, that's a good thing?

Its a dumb thing to say and doesn't pass the logic test.

Sony MUST make the PS6 affordable.

If it's not affordable. Nobody will buy it. If nobody buys it...then no games to sell.

I will not argue that a Sony monopoly is a good thing, but this idea that they will price it out of the stratosphere simply makes no sense as it will drastically affect their ability to sell games, which is how the platform sustains itself.

 

[dano1]

Have you heard of this thing they called a PS3 ??

 

[chilichote]

Regarding the discussion about smartphones: People use them every day, all day long, and they can even be status symbols. Most people don't use a console nearly as often; they mostly just sit around, and nobody ever sees them unless someone comes to visit.

Therefore, a console doesn't have the same high status in people's lives as a smartphone, which is why the average person would never spend that much money on one.

 

[hangdang69]

Are you for real? The price is the problem. They want to sell consoles and nobody will be buying one at $1,000.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You don't want to launch a new console generation with a bunch of likely negative news surrounding it, a lack of availability, a price that will make consumers unhappy, etc.

It's possible you can do that and recover later when you can drop prices, but I think the better solution is to delay until you can produce a base model for at least as low as $600.

 

[Garda]

Regarding the discussion about smartphones: People use them every day, all day long, and they can even be status symbols. Most people don't use a console nearly as often; they mostly just sit around, and nobody ever sees them unless someone comes to visit.

Therefore, a console doesn't have the same high status in people's lives as a smartphone, which is why the average person would never spend that much money on one.

People pay a gaming-premium for their PC's and laptops all the time. 90% of work related things can be done with cheap office computers, yet people often pay way more just to have the option for playing (modern) games.

Everything has gone up in price, especially tech and Sony is not immune to this. What was once considered an average gaming rig (1000€) is now in the budget-gaming tier. Modern console hardware will rise in price like everything else. With the current PS6 specs (that feature 30 GB RAM), the question of whether the PS6 is 700€ or more would mainly depend on the RAM situation next year and how much cost Sony is willing to eat to subsidize the console (my hunch is not very much actually).

 

[GreatnessRD]

I didn't read any of your reasonings while it could be a good thing. I just came here to say...

Shut yo bitch ass up, Paid Actor!!!

 

[yogaflame]

Because thats not a normal price for a console which targets the masses. Console is always a cheaper alternative and plug and play fun, compared to a very expensive PC rig.

 

[Jigsaah]

The problem comes down to WHY it's $1000. Like if they are a high end GPU in it that goes for a grand on it's own then it's a steal. If not, then it's...well it's not worth it really. It's all about value. The value for me doesn't come from a brand as much as it comes from the functionality and the tech inside. Couldn't give a fuck less how much money these companies are making. They've been screwing the consumer left and right this past gen. Like where are the games that really push these consoles to their limits? Is that just no longer a thing? Why buy $1000 dollar console when your 500-700 console can play the same games well. I think we can agree with the success this gen of the PS5, they aren't just gonna abandon it come 2027. We'll be seeing games for it til damn near 2030.

Once I know what's inside, I'll decide, otherwise, sticking with PC and years old hardware til Nvidia and AMD and these frickin RAM manufacturers can get their head out of AI's ass.

 

[Trilobit]

Regarding the discussion about smartphones: People use them every day, all day long, and they can even be status symbols. Most people don't use a console nearly as often; they mostly just sit around, and nobody ever sees them unless someone comes to visit.

Therefore, a console doesn't have the same high status in people's lives as a smartphone, which is why the average person would never spend that much money on one.

The family members will also likely have a harder time motivating a purchase of an entertainment device to the mom. A computer is one thing as you can buy groceries and vacuum cleaners online on them. Sorry for the sexism, biaaatches! Or do other errands on them. But something that can almost >only< be used to play games? Well, splurging +$1000 won't go smoothly, especially if the kids need new clothes, the baby needs a new stroller and waifu wants new shoes etc.

 

[Garda]

Its a dumb thing to say and doesn't pass the logic test.

Sony MUST make the PS6 affordable.

If it's not affordable. Nobody will buy it. If nobody buys it...then no games to sell.

I will not argue that a Sony monopoly is a good thing, but this idea that they will price it out of the stratosphere simply makes no sense as it will drastically affect their ability to sell games, which is how the platform sustains itself.

800€+ PS6 is affordable if the rest of the current gen hardware is 50-200% more.

Sony has to deliver a meaningful next gen jump otherwise there is little reason to fork out any amount of cash for a new system

 

[euroboi]

I only say it's worth the price if their games are the ones most people want to play at launch date.

 

[ergem]

I agree. Only because the argument he's making is don't delay it to 2029-2030 with the same specs at a lower price. Release it ASAP at a higher price and lower the price later when RAM price becomes more reasonable.

But if Sony is to revamp the specs significantly and release in 2030 at lower price (ram prices stopped being skyrocket), then I'd go for it. PS5 can tide them over.

 

[Cumulus]

800€+ PS6 is affordable if the rest of the current gen hardware is 50-200% more.

what hilarious bullshit logic....
"Oh hey, this Ferrari costs less than this jet-turbine-speedcar, that makes it affordable, right?"

People buy things with their wages and those are flatlining or even going down.

 

[Garda]

I only say it's worth the price if their games are the ones most people want to play at launch date.

Launch games will almost certainly be all cross-gen, just upgraded versions of GTA 6 and Sony 1st party heavy hitters (Intergalatic from ND, maybe even GT8, stuff like that). Native PS6 games that utilize stuff like LLM/AI will come later. Cross-gen doesn't necessarily mean stifling new features and capabilities this time - that's why the HH has plenty of RAM and PS5 gen can maybe catch-up via some cloud features (using online inference instead of local like what the PS6 does).

 

[Garda]

what hilarious bullshit logic....
"Oh hey, this Ferrari costs less than this jet-turbine-speedcar, that makes it affordable, right?"

People buy things with their wages and those are flatlining or even going down.

The only BS logic I see is to expect Sony to keep prices stagnant while the whole industry raised prices 50-200%+

 

[JohnnyFootball]

800€+ PS6 is affordable if the rest of the current gen hardware is 50-200% more.

Sony has to deliver a meaningful next gen jump otherwise there is little reason to fork out any amount of cash for a new system

Meaningful visual jumps simply aren't happening anymore. We are very much at diminishing returns.

If the fact that more people play in performance mode is any indication, focusing on improving performance will be enough.

 

[Garda]

Meaningful visual jumps simply aren't happening anymore. We are very much at diminishing returns.

If the fact that more people play in performance mode is any indication, focusing on improving performance will be enough.

Visual jumps are not happening in raster like before. However, RT/PT based on AI/ML could offer a bigger visual jump than PS4 to PS5.

Also, the potential for locally inferenced small LLMs for world building, NPCs and gameplay has a huge potential, much bigger than the SSD revolution that was promised this gen.

 

[Cumulus]

The only BS logic I see is to expect Sony to keep prices stagnant while the whole industry raised the price 50-200%+

Hey, hey, come closer......I´ll tell you something that`ll blow your mind:

People are actually free to choose to simply not buy a very expensive completely optional toy

 

[Garda]

Hey, hey, come closer......I´ll tell you something that`ll blow your mind:

People are actually free to choose to simply not buy a very expensive completely optional toy

Sure, but people are buying gaming hardware all the time. Even when the times are tough because videogames offer the comfort of escapism.

 

[Cumulus]

Sure, but people are buying gaming hardware all the time. Even when the times are tough because videogames offer the comfort of escapism.

Because the entertainment industry only consists of video games and new hardware makes old hardware and all other cheap alternatives suddenly evaporate.
Sony can`t afford to price large parts of their target demographic out of their ecosystem, that is the simply truth. And right now no one knows what the "mass market" is actually willing to pay.
Maybe 800$ are ok for joe shmoe in 2028, maybe he`ll simply stop playing fifa or stick with the old generation or do something else entirely, who knows....

Fact is that the price range we`re approaching now was formerly occupied by the 5-10% enthusiasts who can`t sustain an ecosystem like PS on their own.
All B2C electronic businesses right now are royally fucked and have to tiptoe around their customers to see how much they can raise their prices without losing them, that is the sad reality of this AI driven bullshit.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Visual jumps are not happening in raster like before. However, RT/PT based on AI/ML could offer a bigger visual jump than PS4 to PS5.

Also, the potential for locally inferenced small LLMs for world building, NPCs and gameplay has a huge potential, much bigger than the SSD revolution that was promised this gen.

The smarter move is to focus on affordability. How can you do that without gimping the console? That's what Cerny and the engineers need to figure out.

 

[Garda]

The smarter move is to focus on affordability. How can you do that without gimping the console? That's what Cerny and the engineers need to figure out.

I mean, sure, if we could have our cake and eat it too, that would be great.

We have Kepler's PS6 specs. I think that's 700€ minimum.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Why not $2k?

 

[bighugeguns]

Are you for real? The price is the problem. They want to sell consoles and nobody will be buying one at $1,000.

$999 is doable, you'll make a plan. If the vibe is on point, you'll make a plan.

 

[kungfuian]

I'll explain it for $500

 

[DeafTourette]

People pay a gaming-premium for their PC's and laptops all the time. 90% of work related things can be done with cheap office computers, yet people often pay way more just to have the option for playing (modern) games.

Everything has gone up in price, especially tech and Sony is not immune to this. What was once considered an average gaming rig (1000€) is now in the budget-gaming tier. Modern console hardware will rise in price like everything else. With the current PS6 specs (that feature 30 GB RAM), the question of whether the PS6 is 700€ or more would mainly depend on the RAM situation next year and how much cost Sony is willing to eat to subsidize the console (my hunch is not very much actually).

You're still not getting it. It's been said to you over and over... Gaming PCs are for enthusiasts, not the masses. The masses don't buy gaming rigs costing $2k or more.

The best selling consoles don't cost more than $500 before taxes.

Sony sells to the mass market, not just enthusiasts. A $1k console is not going to work or else we wouldn't have consoles and just hella expensive gaming PCs.

 

[KungFucius]

Have you heard of this thing they called a PS3 ??

The thing that was overpriced but still sold millions but significantly slower than the competition and picked up years later when the price dropped? That PS3?

I agree. Only because the argument he's making is don't delay it to 2029-2030 with the same specs at a lower price. Release it ASAP at a higher price and lower the price later when RAM price becomes more reasonable.

But if Sony is to revamp the specs significantly and release in 2030 at lower price (ram prices stopped being skyrocket), then I'd go for it. PS5 can tide them over.

Since they already designed it, I am not sure how they could redesign it because of a delay. I mean they could do anything, but it the return on that investment wouldn't be there. Upping specs really only happens by adding size to the die these days. Maybe they could switch nodes for the mobile if it has better power, but I don't really see a reasonable path to a better PS6 because of a delay.

By next year, I think the public is going to understand that AI is driving up the costs of electronics. A high priced PS6 is going to be a tough pill to swallow, but most people will understand why.

I am struggling a bit with this because it is a complex marketing issue. Sony eventually needs to get something fresh out there. New systems create buzz and bring in new gamers. These new gamers are needed to replace lapsed gamers and those who have moved to PC or Switch or 1 or 2 of the 4 that buy Magus. Deciding when to launch is complicated.

How much will Sony lose to Nintendo if they don't get a new system out sooner rather than later?
How much will Sony lose period for having a high launch price even if they can get the price down a little after a few years?
Will Microsoft matter? They did during the 360 with the early launch and then high price of the PS3, but it didn't last.

 

[bighugeguns]

Break the PS6 down into 4 $250 modular blocks, like Legos, each time you add a block you get more oomf.

Call it the KnackStation (jk)

Each block represents circle, cross, square and triangle.


There, just saved PlayStation 6, where's my $5 gift card, Hulst?

 

[Garda]

You're still not getting it. It's been said to you over and over... Gaming PCs are for enthusiasts, not the masses. The masses don't buy gaming rigs costing $2k or more.

The best selling consoles don't cost more than $500 before taxes.

Sony sells to the mass market, not just enthusiasts. A $1k console is not going to work or else we wouldn't have consoles and just hella expensive gaming PCs.

There are over 40 million GPUs sold annually. Over half of that is mid-tier or better. It's not as obscure as you are trying to frame it. No matter the price, PS6 will be a budget-gaming version of the next gen

 

[Felessan]

Its a dumb thing to say and doesn't pass the logic test.

Sony MUST make the PS6 affordable.

There is no must here
Sony will not subsidize 500$ on unit
And ram woes might as well continue till next decade - meaning that PS6 is either put on market with premium prices or not put at all and we will stuck in limbo for half generation

Sony sells to the mass market, not just enthusiasts. A $1k console is not going to work or else we wouldn't have consoles and just hella expensive gaming PCs.

Sony tailor their strategy to the market
They try to sell as much as possible, but being conscious about profits
Nothing stops Sony to sell PS5 for 200$ and it would sell quite some more. But they don't as it too much hit on profits
Same logic apply to PS6 - they would sell it at suitable price even though it might lead to shrink of the market. They will clawback some later when situation normalize, price go down and price sensitive people come to upgrade
It's not like Sony will lose their userbase to other devices - competitors (PC, Nintendo) are in no better situation and high prices across the board will just lead to slower transition to next gen - like how its slow with PS4 to PS5 migration. Enthusiasts will go to PS6 and mass market crowd will wait until RAM prices go down and PS6 price along with it

 

[midnightAI]

So when people aren't buying them because they are too expensive, that's a good thing?

apparently, not sure Sony wold see it that way though

 

[midnightAI]

like how its slow with PS4 to PS5 migration

Is it slow though? PS5 sales are tracking very similar to PS4, we are only talking 2-3 million behind at 92 million sold

wait until RAM prices go down and PS6 price along with it

I think Sony hope that will happen within the next 2-3 years, I guess we'll see what will happen if it doesnt.

 

[DeafTourette]

There are over 40 million GPUs sold annually. Over half of that is mid-tier or better. It's not as obscure as you are trying to frame it. No matter the price, PS6 will be a budget-gaming version of the next gen

40 million compared to over 90 million ... Which number would Sony prefer?

 

[Felessan]

Is it slow though? PS5 sales are tracking very similar to PS4, we are only talking 2-3 million behind at 92 million sold

PS5 grabs a lot of people outside of existing playstation ecosystem - ~40% of PS5 owners are new
It was just last year when PS5 overthrow PS4 as main Playstation in installbase (per Sony themselves)
It's kinda visible from PSN MAU numbers that continue to climb higher and higher and significantly bigger than number of PS5 sold

It will be even so with 1000$ PS6 as PC/Magnus will be prohibitive expensive, further stir migration to playstation

I think Sony hope that will happen within the next 2-3 years, I guess we'll see what will happen if it doesnt.

No real point to wait
Same as they launched in Covid even though they knew there will be availability problem, and lack of availability drive prices higher. It's just scalpers were those agents that normalize supply-demand ratio with higher pricing

 

[midnightAI]

PS5 grabs a lot of people outside of existing playstation ecosystem - ~40% of PS5 owners are new
It was just last year when PS5 overthrow PS4 as main Playstation in installbase (per Sony themselves)
It's kinda visible from PSN MAU numbers that continue to climb higher and higher and significantly bigger than number of PS5 sold

It will be even so with 1000$ PS6 as PC/Magnus will be prohibitive expensive, further stir migration to playstation


No real point to wait
Same as they launched in Covid even though they knew there will be availability problem, and lack of availability drive prices higher. It's just scalpers were those agents that normalize supply-demand ratio with higher pricing

So you think Sony will actually ignore their own advice about why the PS3 was the worst selling PlayStation and they themselves said they dont want to repeat?

$1000+ PlayStation as the main console would be commercial suicide.

 

[Garda]

40 million compared to over 90 million ... Which number would Sony prefer?

You are comparing (confusing) 40 mill annually vs 90 mil lifetime sales

 

[Felessan]

So you think Sony will actually ignore their own advice about why the PS3 was the worst selling PlayStation and they themselves said they dont want to repeat?

$1000+ PlayStation as the main console would be commercial suicide.

People like to compare to the past, as its very simple and convenient, but for some reason ignore real market situation. And we had no such market situation in the past, so past experience not really relevant today.
1000$ is a suicide when mid-range PC is 1200$ and competitors are 500$
But 1000$ when PC is 2500$+ and competitor lowest is 700-800$ - is not.
Yes, due to elasticity sales will be lower, and transition will be much slower - but Sony will not lose market share (most likely it'll be opposite - they will gain market share)
And it's market share that's important. Doing nothing for 2-3 years will make some people to move on from clearly outdated hardware of PS5.

Think of alternatives - Sony launching PS6 at 1000$ - what people do? Cry a river? Stop gaming altogether? There is no alternatives for gamer to move out of PlayStation - it's either stay on current PS5, buy PS6 or switch to other entertainment. Sony can't do anything with the last - it's a shrink of the market due to elevated cost. And Sony lose nothing in both whether you stay on ps5 or buy ps6.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Its a dumb thing to say and doesn't pass the logic test.

Sony MUST make the PS6 affordable.

If it's not affordable. Nobody will buy it. If nobody buys it...then no games to sell.

Sony has a console for people who can't afford the PS6. It's called the PS5.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

If people saved $50 per month (less than the price of a single AAA game on the PS5), it would take them 20 months to save $1000. The PS6 should be around the corner by then!

 

[midnightAI]

People like to compare to the past, as its very simple and convenient, but for some reason ignore real market situation. And we had no such market situation in the past, so past experience not really relevant today.
1000$ is a suicide when mid-range PC is 1200$ and competitors are 500$
But 1000$ when PC is 2500$+ and competitor lowest is 700-800$ - is not.
Yes, due to elasticity sales will be lower, and transition will be much slower - but Sony will not lose market share (most likely it'll be opposite - they will gain market share)
And it's market share that's important. Doing nothing for 2-3 years will make some people to move on from clearly outdated hardware of PS5.

Think of alternatives - Sony launching PS6 at 1000$ - what people do? Cry a river? Stop gaming altogether? There is no alternatives for gamer to move out of PlayStation - it's either stay on current PS5, buy PS6 or switch to other entertainment. Sony can't do anything with the last - it's a shrink of the market due to elevated cost. And Sony lose nothing in both whether you stay on ps5 or buy ps6.

Then more than ever people will stay with current gen

It's pointless arguing over it you think it could be $1000+, I think it's more likely sub $800, more likely closer to $700. Neither of us is wrong until they announce it, it's likely Sony doesn't even know due to the volatile market.

 

[hangdang69]

$999 is doable, you'll make a plan. If the vibe is on point, you'll make a plan.

You are out of touch with reality.

 

[bighugeguns]

You are out of touch with reality.

So is Sony, enjoy.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Then more than ever people will stay with current gen

It's pointless arguing over it you think it could be $1000+, I think it's more likely sub $800, more likely closer to $700. Neither of us is wrong until they announce it, it's likely Sony doesn't even know due to the volatile market.

$700 was probably the price before the memory price surge.

 

[Felessan]

Then more than ever people will stay with current gen

And Sony is fine with it?
It's not like they are losing lot if people stay on PS5 - even in this generation crossgen period is long, even though it imply some technical difficulties - no SSD and no RT make dev harder. PS6 much close to PS5 in terms of architecture meaning making crossgen even easier

It's pointless arguing over it you think it could be $1000+, I think it's more likely sub $800, more likely closer to $700. Neither of us is wrong until they announce it, it's likely Sony doesn't even know due to the volatile market.

We are talking about potential scenario what will be if current slump continue/escalates and even with proper pricing (i.e. some subsidy) price will be unreasonable high
I too doesn't expect it to be that extreme, but we never know

 

[SegaSnatcher]

The problem is that problem won't exist because Sony will not release a $1000 console.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

The problem is that problem won't exist because Sony will not release a $1000 console.

So what do you do instead? Just not release the PS6? Just continue to sell only the PS5 forever?

 

[SegaSnatcher]

So what do you do instead? Just not release the PS6? Just continue to sell only the PS5 forever?

No you still release the PS6 as is. There is nothing about the PS6 that warrants a $1000 price tag. It will be $699 tops.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

No you still release the PS6 as is. There is nothing about the PS6 that warrants a $1000 price tag. It will be $699 tops.

Do you live under a rock?

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Do you live under a rock?

No, I'm just not someone who thinks the sky is falling because of the ramgate situation.

- This isn't releasing until at least late 2027.

- Ram prices will eventually stabailize by then. Not saying they will be 2025 prices, but should not get any higher.

- $699 will be the absolutely highest price for the PS6 regardless when they release. If ram is expensive in 2027 it will likely be just as expensive in 2028 - 2029 so no point in delaying.