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The missing/murdered scientists has now reached 10. They seem to be connected to a similar top secret program
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DreamcastSkies
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I wondered what's going on with this. GAFfers, are we on the cusp of alien/tech disclosure that will considerably alter our way of life?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Wildebeest
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Maybe this time it isn't just bullshit and teasing even though the past ten thousand times it was all bullshit and teasing.
GymWolf
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Not sure why we use roaches for comparisons...
Yes, cockroaches are fastidious groomers and constantly clean themselves to remove debris, pathogens, and waxy buildup from their antennae and legs.
Dude is the opposite.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I would argue that it is likely foreign espionage in an effort to destroy US intellectual understanding and research and advancement. Kill the people doing the work and you can kill and delay the work. Because it may take years or months to get a person to even understand what they were trying to do. Another person may never fully grasp it, and they probably won't understand it the same way.
Part of research and knowledge is what is passed on from one person to another. Take out the leads you take out knowledge transfer.
Part of research and knowledge is what is passed on from one person to another. Take out the leads you take out knowledge transfer.
calistan
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You could probably find similar 'patterns' of deaths among delivery drivers, bankers, retail workers, or anything else.
This video suggests the deaths of scientists are particularly significant, due entirely to the comments of a congressman who has a history of promoting conspiracy theories and believes the 'deep state' is seeding the atmosphere with mind-control chemicals.
This video suggests the deaths of scientists are particularly significant, due entirely to the comments of a congressman who has a history of promoting conspiracy theories and believes the 'deep state' is seeding the atmosphere with mind-control chemicals.
Trogdor1123
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I did not know that. Learned something today.
Romulus
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This is a false equivalence and disingenuous. Delivery drivers, bankers, retail workers are on the scale of hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions. Scientists with a top secret clearance working for the government is ultra narrow. Even more narrow when looking at the departments they worked in.
Let me be more specific. If you looked at the entire chain of bankers in the US and 10 of them died in short succession. No problem, there's over a million of them. However, if we looked at a single regional bank chain that 10 suddenly died, then we start raising eyebrows. You already know that though, its just the angle you're playing.
And their deaths aren't just being reported by that congressman that you don't like:
Growing List of Dead and Missing NASA Scientists Triggers New Alarm
The list of dead and missing scientists throughout the U.S. was already spurring growing alarm and, in some cases, the attention of law enforcement. Another name has been added to the list by some new...
NEW: Mysterious string of missing and dead scientists raises concern | Fox News Video
Fox News host Will Cain discusses a mysterious string of missing or dead U.S. scientists on 'The Will Cain Show.'
www.foxnews.com
Another mysterious NASA death as ninth scientist linked to secret programs dies
It is unclear if there’s any foul play linked to his death.
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I added some variety to tickle whichever bias makes you giggle more.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
What were these scientists involved in?
Windle Poons
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kpopSuperstar
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How many are linked to the program overall?This is a false equivalence and disingenuous. Delivery drivers, bankers, retail workers are on the scale of hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions. Scientists with a top secret clearance working for the government is ultra narrow. Even more narrow when looking at the departments they worked in.
Let me be more specific. If you looked at the entire chain of bankers in the US and 10 of them died in short succession. No problem, there's over a million of them. However, if we looked at a single regional bank chain that 10 suddenly died, then we start raising eyebrows. You already know that though, its just the angle you're playing.
And their deaths aren't just being reported by that congressman that you don't like:
Growing List of Dead and Missing NASA Scientists Triggers New Alarm
The list of dead and missing scientists throughout the U.S. was already spurring growing alarm and, in some cases, the attention of law enforcement. Another name has been added to the list by some new...www.yahoo.com
NEW: Mysterious string of missing and dead scientists raises concern | Fox News Video
Fox News host Will Cain discusses a mysterious string of missing or dead U.S. scientists on 'The Will Cain Show.'Another mysterious NASA death as ninth scientist linked to secret programs dies
It is unclear if there’s any foul play linked to his death.
I added some variety to tickle whichever bias makes you giggle more.
calistan
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Interesting. JPL alone does have 4500 employees, though.This is a false equivalence and disingenuous. Delivery drivers, bankers, retail workers are on the scale of hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions. Scientists with a top secret clearance working for the government is ultra narrow. Even more narrow when looking at the departments they worked in.
Let me be more specific. If you looked at the entire chain of bankers in the US and 10 of them died in short succession. No problem, there's over a million of them. However, if we looked at a single regional bank chain that 10 suddenly died, then we start raising eyebrows. You already know that though, its just the angle you're playing.
And their deaths aren't just being reported by that congressman that you don't like:
Growing List of Dead and Missing NASA Scientists Triggers New Alarm
The list of dead and missing scientists throughout the U.S. was already spurring growing alarm and, in some cases, the attention of law enforcement. Another name has been added to the list by some new...NEW: Mysterious string of missing and dead scientists raises concern | Fox News Video
Fox News host Will Cain discusses a mysterious string of missing or dead U.S. scientists on 'The Will Cain Show.'Another mysterious NASA death as ninth scientist linked to secret programs dies
It is unclear if there’s any foul play linked to his death.
I added some variety to tickle whichever bias makes you giggle more.
Do you have a full list of the missing/dead ones and their affiliations? It should be possible to track them on Researchgate or other tools, to see if they were actually working on the same thing.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I need a tl;dr, why are nasa scientists being murdered?
falconhoof
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They're working hard on marketing this new X-Files show.
Rien
Jelly Belly
Not a frequent watcher at all but sometimes a short comes by, not really having an opinion on the dude. But what's up with him?
politic fame got to him.
AutomaticPrince
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This story is interesting and I'm not denying something might be up with most of them but one of these cases actually happened very close by and was pretty explainable. The one guy lost both of his parents within an hour and a half of each other and was pretty depressed. Left his keys, wallet, and phone at home and went for a walk around midnight in freezing temperatures near the big lake in town. It was a common theory after he went missing that they would find him in there eventually when it started to thaw.
HRK69
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Legendary LARPer for sure
ChuckeRearmed
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I think it is the witness protection
Romulus
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I used AI to help me round up the data in this case. It seems to be the overarching number of people in these departments ranges from dozens to at most low hundreds.
We can't use the 4,500 JPL employees, because the people publicly tied to the story map onto much smaller technical niches: Michael Hicks worked on comets, asteroids, and missions like DART and NEAT in the near Earth object and planetary defense world, while Carl Grillmair was later tied to NEOWISE and NEO Surveyor at Caltech IPAC, which is the same broader asteroid detection ecosystem; Frank Maiwald's publicly posted JPL biosignature spectroscopy project was even smaller on paper, listing just one PI, two co investigators, and two graduate students; and Monica Reza has been publicly described in missing person appeals as director of JPL's Materials Processing Group, which, if accurate, points to a specialized engineering group rather than a huge general workforce. So the honest takeaway is not that all of them were in one department, but that the relevant comparison pool was likely on the order of small groups and mission teams, probably dozens, or at most low hundreds across a few overlapping JPL Caltech aerospace subcommunities, not thousands of random JPL employees
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Yes this.
HRK69
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We don't know
IntentionalPun
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I mean for one, how do you know the clearance level of any of these people?
Also that first link only connects a few of them...
Also there are over 1 million people in the US with "Top Secret" clearance and probably many of the several hundred thousand people working as scientists in the various fields of the people who died would have one.
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Unknown Soldier
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Romulus
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You cut off my post for the quote and context matters.
I mean "planetary defense" is pretty easy to infer you have a high security clearance. People that take out the trash in the same space likely do too. But we're talking a much narrower field of government contractors and scientists at senior level.
Just saying "1 million people" have a top secret security clearance doesn't math either for this because most of those jobs are unrelated completely.
Many were publicly tied to unusually senior or specialized space and defense related work. Michael Hicks spent decades at JPL studying comets and asteroids and served on science teams for DART, NEAT, Dawn, and Deep Space 1, putting him directly in the near Earth object and planetary defense world. Carl Grillmair at Caltech IPAC worked on NEOWISE and was the instrument characterization specialist for NASA's NEO Surveyor mission, another clear link to asteroid detection. Frank Maiwald appears in JPL research materials as principal investigator on a biosignature detection project aimed at targets like Europa, Enceladus, Ceres, and Titan, which is plainly high end planetary science work. William Neil McCasland was a former commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory and later director of special programs at the Pentagon, so he was operating at a very high level of defense research and acquisition.
bitbydeath
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calistan
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Here's a quick list (not sure who the 10th is). Name, affiliation - field, age, and likely cause of death.
Michael D Hicks, JPL - astronomy, 59, natural causes / not released
Monica Reza, Rocketdyne - materials science, 60, disappeared while hiking alone
William McCasland, USAF - retired general, 68, probable suicide, body not found
Carl Grillmair, Cal Tech - astronomy, 67, random killing by carjacker
Frank Maiwald, JPL - sensors, 61, natural causes / not released
Melissa Casias, Los Alamos - admin assistant, 53, missing
Anthony Chavez, Los Alamos - unspecified (retired), 79, missing
Nuno Loureiro, MIT - plasma and fusion, 47, killed by acquaintance
Jason Thomas, Novartis - cancer research, 45, suicide
Some of these are noteworthy scientists, particularly Grillmair and Maiwald, but not in fields I would consider 'sensitive'. They published a lot of papers.
I don't know why these sites list Thomas, as he was a botanist, not a physicist.
There's a lot of overlap in institutions that work with other institutions, but you could pick any physics lab and connect it with its counterparts across the world. MIT, Cambridge, Moscow, countless Chinese institutions. They are all working on the same stuff and building on each other's findings.
The strangest ones would be Casias and Chavez, the two from Los Alamos, as there's no obvious reason for either of them to vanish (of the others missing, Reza was hiking alone, which is risky, and McCasland took his pistol into the wilderness, not intending to be found).
Not releasing the cause of death isn't necessarily suspicious. I don't think families are obliged to do that.
Not all of them are researchers, and it almost seems like they threw in the botanist because all good sci-fi missions need a wildcard.
It's a fine conspiracy theory, but it's hard to see a motive here. Who gains anything by taking out a couple of retirees, some stargazers, and an admin assistant? Major discoveries tend to involve a whole lot more than the people listed above, it's not something you can keep quiet that easily.
Romulus
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You can keep things quiet, the opposite is a myth.
Both presidents, Bush and Obama said on record there are secrets that they could never share with the public. Many other high level representatives agree.
Compartmentalized information is one very effective way, that's how you keep people involved with only pieces of the puzzle. No one ever truly has the full picture. I've absolutely worked on systems where this was the case and everyone was in the dark. More than likely it wasn't that scary or even interesting, but I know for sure some are.
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Very creepy! It would suck if someone was trying to hide some monumental discovery.
SoloCamo
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This is a false equivalence and disingenuous. Delivery drivers, bankers, retail workers are on the scale of hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions. Scientists with a top secret clearance working for the government is ultra narrow. Even more narrow when looking at the departments they worked in.
Let me be more specific. If you looked at the entire chain of bankers in the US and 10 of them died in short succession. No problem, there's over a million of them. However, if we looked at a single regional bank chain that 10 suddenly died, then we start raising eyebrows. You already know that though, its just the angle you're playing.
And their deaths aren't just being reported by that congressman that you don't like:
Growing List of Dead and Missing NASA Scientists Triggers New Alarm
The list of dead and missing scientists throughout the U.S. was already spurring growing alarm and, in some cases, the attention of law enforcement. Another name has been added to the list by some new...NEW: Mysterious string of missing and dead scientists raises concern | Fox News Video
Fox News host Will Cain discusses a mysterious string of missing or dead U.S. scientists on 'The Will Cain Show.'Another mysterious NASA death as ninth scientist linked to secret programs dies
It is unclear if there’s any foul play linked to his death.
I added some variety to tickle whichever bias makes you giggle more.
Thanks for being sane. Too many people cannot except the possibility of their world being fabricated.
Mohonky
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This is the crazy thing.
Conspiracy theorists believe in SO MANY outlandish stories and they don't realise a lot of them are incompatible. I bet my bottom dollar OP believes Bob Lazar. But why hasn't Bob been taken out, or at least threatened? He's out there making documentaries, movies, books and on podcasts, yet these moustache twirling villains think it's better to kill obscure scientists to cover up the government's involvement in aliens? Makes no sense.
The most extreme theory I could probably get on board with here is that foreign countries are taking them out to disrupt our research and development.
calistan
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Every goverment has secrets it won't share with the public. Could be anything from lists of spies to the Epstein files. American politicians are probably unique in actively engaging with conspiracy theorists.
I accept that you can keep low-level workers completely in the dark (e.g. Manhattan Project) but these aren't random civilians unknowingly operating calutrons or whatever.
Have a look some of their work and connect it to aliens if you can.
Carl Grillmair: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4072-169X
Frank Maiwald: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=PPfNthEAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate
M D Hicks (doesn't appear to have Orcid or Google Scholar profile, this is just a search result): https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=MD+Hicks,+JPL&btnG=
Nuno Loureiro: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=SEVw3UEAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate (+ this is what he was working on at the time of his death: https://doi.org/10.1088/2058-9565/ae488e, https://doi.org/10.1017/S002237782510113X)
J Thomas: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jason-Thomas-6
Monica Reza / Jacinto: couldn't find a profile but she worked on materials for rocket engines - https://doi.org/10.2514/6.1999-2754
Romulus
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At the very top even senior officials don't have the full story, only the decision makers that decide what is done with that information know about it in full. Scientists that are working on it in any capacity(the people you listed) are not decision makers on society reaction, psychology etc. That's another field completely.
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calistan
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Well, I'm interested but I just don't see the connection other than if somebody was writing a sci-fi story.
An astronomer studying distant stars.
A physicist working on sensors for orbital atmosphere monitors.
An astronomer studying objects in the solar system.
A physicist focused on plasmas and hydrodynamics, including solar winds.
A researcher of anti-cancer properties of plants and chemicals.
A developer of novel alloys for rocket engines.
Plus a retired general, a humble administrator, and a mysterious old man who performed unknown work at a nuclear research facility.
All of the published researchers had many co-authors, who are presumably alive and kicking. They should be holed up in a bunker beneath a mountain, preparing to launch a mission to save humanity. All we need now is a grizzled ex-test pilot who's "too old for this shit" and a sassy kid who snuck in under a tarpaulin.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
We also need a very hot young female scientist.