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PlayStation studios were apparently briefed on the PS6 handheld

midnightAI said:
You can't see the point of a powerful PlayStation handheld? In terms of power this should be much more powerful than previous PS handhelds comparing console to handheld for PSP and Vita which couldn't play any console game natively.
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So now we can just look forward to gimped games going into the 2030s. Swell.

midnightAI said:
Do you see the point of Switch or PC handhelds?
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The Switch isn't primarily a handheld. It's a console with handheld functionality, born out of the inability for Nintendo to continue splitting their library and resources.

The PC handhelds are a niche market. The Steam Deck is far and away the most popular and it tops out at 5 million last time we heard credible figures. Best case scenario you're looking at 7 million in 4 years.

That's not worth holding back the entire next gen. It's worse than the extended crossgen period. Anyone who really buys this scalability bullshit after the Series S is just not applying critical thought.
 
Tobimacoss said:
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Looking forward to the Canis TV box more than the handheld.
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Not happening anytime soon. First few years of gen are early adopters that aren't as price conscious.
 
Zacfoldor said:
I only buy handhelds when I have to, and when I do I only play them docked.

A handheld that cannot dock is useless to me. I know this one can. However, I think a lower powered portable hybrid like this that can dock and has some sort of parity with the PS6 is a terrible fucking idea and will cannibalize the real console.
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Possibly, but only slightly in my opinion, most getting the handheld will probably get or already have the home console, even so, if the combined figure is more than the total a single console sells over a generation I dont think Sony will care too much.
Zacfoldor said:
The lower powered PS6 also sucks. It's a XSS situation but now Sony has joined in and doubled down but also make a device that really isn't a PS6 but will apparently cost a shit ton and play games on TV. Not a good idea.
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Personally, I dont think that exists, it's merely speculation.
 
ProtoByte said:
So now we can just look forward to gimped games going into the 2030s. Swell.
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How are games going to be 'gimped', there are way more technologies available now that weren't available when the XSX/XSS came out, technologies using ML which is what these APU's are being designed around (or a major part at least)
(edit: and as I've said several times, I don't think they'll make handheld mandatory merely advisable)
ProtoByte said:
The Switch isn't primarily a handheld. It's a console with handheld functionality, born out of the inability for Nintendo to continue splitting their library and resources.

The PC handhelds are a niche market. The Steam Deck is far and away the most popular and it tops out at 5 million last time we heard credible figures. Best case scenario you're looking at 7 million in 4 years.

That's not worth holding back the entire next gen. It's worse than the extended crossgen period. Anyone who really buys this scalability bullshit after the Series S is just not applying critical thought.
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It isn't primarily a handheld? guess the three we have are all being used wrong then. Maybe I should have said Switch Lite then. Besides, its irrelevant, it is a handheld, PC handhelds are handhelds, there are reasons they exist, I was responding to a post that say they don't see the point of a PS6 handheld and I was pointing out that other handhelds exist so there is a point to them (even more so because it is PlayStation we are talking about here, not a new no name brand, it will sell)
 
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Zacfoldor said:
Why the need for local hardware on this thing?
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Because a lot of people want to play their games on the go without the need of an Internet connection. Like on a plane, train, car, camping etc.

I know it's not your thing, but then you could get the traditional PS6 console and not the handheld.
 
Wait wait ...

why were the internal studios just briefed about it *NOW* when otherwise sources have been leaking its board and specs for months already?
 
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Bojji said:
They are always late to the party, they copied motion controls when people were already over with them. S2 is also not looking like SW1 type of success (so far).
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Are they? The PS2 had the EyeToy which had controller-less games like the Kinetic had years later.

The PS3 also launched the day before the Wii and had motion input in the controller. Having the Move to an option was much better than having the PS3 built around it.

The Vita also pushed cell phone style mobile games being ported over and implemented every possible input from motion, touch front/back, touch screen, microphone, and cameras. Their creative studios seem to be on the forefront, but they don't push it as "the way" like Nintendo does.
 
onQ123 said:
Are we pretending that Steam Deck doesn't exist?
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Even the Steam Deck has 16GB of RAM up against the 10GB on the Series S. And nobody is really "targeting" the Deck, judging by the many AAA games that run like dog shit on it. Steam Deck Verified just means it works and runs, not that you're getting a fantastic experience.
 
SScorpio said:
Are they? The PS2 had the EyeToy which had controller-less games like the Kinetic had years later.

The PS3 also launched the day before the Wii and had motion input in the controller. Having the Move to an option was much better than having the PS3 built around it.

The Vita also pushed cell phone style mobile games being ported over and implemented every possible input from motion, touch front/back, touch screen, microphone, and cameras. Their creative studios seem to be on the forefront, but they don't push it as "the way" like Nintendo does.
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Eye toy was like Kinect precursor.

Both eye toy on PS2 and PS3 eye were super niche. PS3 Move was basically a copy of Wiimote and direct response to that.
 
IDKFA said:
Because a lot of people want to play their games on the go without the need of an Internet connection. Like on a plane, train, car, camping etc.
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Put down the fucking game! You've already got your phone and an external environment you should be paying attention to. Do we really need ever present vidya as stimulation? When's the last time you saw someone playing their Steam Deck in public? Understand that person is a loser.

IDKFA said:
I know it's not your thing, but then you could get the traditional PS6 console and not the handheld.
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You can't separate the handheld from the console if Sony forced 1st parties to accommodate the former.
 
ProtoByte said:
Put down the fucking game! You've already got your phone and an external environment you should be paying attention to. Do we really need ever present vidya as
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Calm yourself.

What external environmental should I pay attention to on a 7 hour flight? Shall I raw dog it and stare at the back of the seat? If I want to game while travelling that's up to me.

ProtoByte said:
When's the last time you saw someone playing their Steam Deck in public? Understand that person is a loser.
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A looser for playing a portable handheld device in public? It's none of your business. Who are you to judge others like that?
 
ProtoByte said:
The Switch isn't primarily a handheld. It's a console with handheld functionality, born out of the inability for Nintendo to continue splitting their library and resources.
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It's definitely a handheld first.

Before the Switch was released, Nintendo told investors that if the Switch flopped, they would pursue a successor to the 3DS and were working on prototypes just in case. The Wii U was Nintendo's last home console.
 
CentralScrutinizer said:
Its point of existence will only be proven if Sony can stand by it and support it. I really want the system at launch, but I also feel like I need to wait a year to see how Sony treats it.
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It will play 99% of every game on PlayStation from 2013 to 2028. That's 15 years of PS games minimum. Clearly, it'll play some more games that come out after 2029 too. It's hard to see how this could be perceived to be a bad thing. It can only be a bad thing if Sony mandates every PS6 game much be played on it.
 
ProtoByte said:
Put down the fucking game! You've already got your phone and an external environment you should be paying attention to. Do we really need ever present vidya as stimulation? When's the last time you saw someone playing their Steam Deck in public? Understand that person is a loser.
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So why is it loser behavior to play a portable game in public (like on a plane), but not watching a movie on your cellphone in public?
 
mckmas8808 said:
It will play 99% of every game on PlayStation from 2013 to 2028. That's 15 years of PS games minimum. Clearly, it'll play some more games that come out after 2029 too. It's hard to see how this could be perceived to be a bad thing. It can only be a bad thing if Sony mandates every PS6 game much be played on it.
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It will 100% play everything that comes out during the PS6 gen. No reason for it not to.
 
Tg89 said:
It will 100% play everything that comes out during the PS6 gen. No reason for it not to.
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That would be literally the WORST PS6 generation decision that Sony could make. Like literally THE WORST! Only Microsoft has made decisions this dumb over the last 15 years. There's no reason for Sony to mandate that. They don't "mandate" companies to make PS5 Pro enhancements either.

Most devs will chose to do so, given the budget and time it takes. But to force it makes literally NO SENSE! Also, not sure some of your understand this but Sony typically doesn't mandate alot of things within the PlayStation universe.
 
mckmas8808 said:
That would be literally the WORST PS6 generation decision that Sony could make. Like literally THE WORST! Only Microsoft has made decisions this dumb over the last 15 years. There's no reason for Sony to mandate that. They don't "mandate" companies to make PS5 Pro enhancements either.

Most devs will chose to do so, given the budget and time it takes. But to force it makes literally NO SENSE! Also, not sure some of your understand this but Sony typically doesn't mandate alot of things within the PlayStation universe.
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Having a PS6 that doesn't play all PS6 games would be the worst decision they could make.
 
onQ123 said:
Having a PS6 that doesn't play all PS6 games would be the worst decision they could make.
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You're correct. "IF" this handheld was a PS6. We'll know in a year or so, but it'll all be clear in what they name this device. I'm assuming it won't be a PS6 though.

Logically I ask myself the question, "how can a machine that has half the TF power of a PS5 (with more RT and ML abilities), but at a smaller resolution ever be considered a PS6?" At that point generation cease to exist. Sony would officially be ushering in the Age of Generationless Console Gaming. Like, it's been happening on PC but never in the console space. Is that what Sony truly wants? Because that comes with some obvious downsides.
 
mckmas8808 said:
You're correct. "IF" this handheld was a PS6. We'll know in a year or so, but it'll all be clear in what they name this device. I'm assuming it won't be a PS6 though.
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It has to be, if the handheld is going to work.

I assume most devs will just use the PS5 profile and use Frame Gen to get the perceived Frame Rate to some sort of acceptable level.
 
mckmas8808 said:
You're correct. "IF" this handheld was a PS6. We'll know in a year or so, but it'll all be clear in what they name this device. I'm assuming it won't be a PS6 though.

Logically I ask myself the question, "how can a machine that has half the TF power of a PS5 (with more RT and ML abilities), but at a smaller resolution ever be considered a PS6?" At that point generation cease to exist. Sony would officially be ushering in the Age of Generationless Console Gaming. Like, it's been happening on PC but never in the console space. Is that what Sony truly wants? Because that comes with some obvious downsides.
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Being that everything is scalable now from resolution to even frame rate I don't think it will be much of a problem for a handheld to play the games with lower settings.
 
Kokoloko85 said:
Mlid rumours have said they will run PS5 games decently.
And that PS6 games will be easier to run on PS6 handheld, then PS5 games on PS6 handheld.
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MLID smokes the good stuff. There's a reason LPM exists.

Will add that I expect Sony to continue to sell the PS5 for multiple years... and if they can't, then they'll either have to make a true Series S die or sell the handheld as a standalone device.
 
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Besides a Switch 2 i'm not interested in a portable console honestly.
Maybe a 3DS successor would be nice but that would also be from Nintendo.
 
Kokoloko85 said:
Mlid rumours have said they will run PS5 games decently.
And that PS6 games will be easier to run on PS6 handheld, then PS5 games on PS6 handheld.
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I know you are just repeating what Mlid said, but did you read what you just typed? Think about what you said here for a moment.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
MLID smokes the good stuff. There's a reason LPM exists.

Will add that I expect Sony to continue to sell the PS5 for multiple years... and if they can't, then they'll either have to make a true Series S die or sell the handheld as a standalone device.
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Yeah but he's not making everything up lol. Sony, amd and 3rd party have work done.

Well anything can happen, but I doubt they make a standalone handheld, especially when Nintendo and Steam arent doint that. I know some people wish for it to happen, but the whole point is, so they play the same games, not spread there studios thin again.

Not sure why they would carry on selling PS5 for years, PS6 is being made to be cheaper to developer than PS5. They'll slow down unless ram prices are still up and ww3 etc. Otherwise business as usual
 
onQ123 said:
Being that everything is scalable now from resolution to even frame rate I don't think it will be much of a problem for a handheld to play the games with lower settings.
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So, I'm assuming you are believing that this PS Hand Held will NOT have a TV out possibility then, right? It'll only be playable in handheld mode.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I know you are just repeating what Mlid said, but did you read what you just typed? Think about what you said here for a moment.
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Im going by what he said:
PS5 games arent future proof to work on PS6 handheld. So they wont be optimised as well
Whereas PS6 games will be downsclaed properly. He also said why it wont have the same issues they Series S and Series X had, or nowhere near as much.

His rumours seem better than most, so only going by what is out there
 
mckmas8808 said:
So, I'm assuming you are believing that this PS Hand Held will NOT have a TV out possibility then, right? It'll only be playable in handheld mode.
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I'm sure people wouldn't expect it to match the PS6 while hooked up to a TV even though it should be good enough.
 
Bojji said:
Eye toy was like Kinect precursor.

Both eye toy on PS2 and PS3 eye were super niche. PS3 Move was basically a copy of Wiimote and direct response to that.
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Somewhat, it was also prototyped as VR input which it became with the original PSVR.

But it does show that Sony isn't always just chasing the latest trend. They do innovate.
 
Brucey said:
For the portable? Would make sense for them to not release portable in year of ps6. Portable in 2027
PS6 in 2028 or beyond.
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100% facts! Too bad that's not happening though. I'm shocked Sony will actually release TWO big pieces of hardware in the same year. Will both launch on the same day?
 
mckmas8808 said:
It will play 99% of every game on PlayStation from 2013 to 2028. That's 15 years of PS games minimum. Clearly, it'll play some more games that come out after 2029 too. It's hard to see how this could be perceived to be a bad thing. It can only be a bad thing if Sony mandates every PS6 game much be played on it.
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Of course it will play every ps6 game, it's a ps6
 
mckmas8808 said:
You're correct. "IF" this handheld was a PS6. We'll know in a year or so, but it'll all be clear in what they name this device. I'm assuming it won't be a PS6 though.

Logically I ask myself the question, "how can a machine that has half the TF power of a PS5 (with more RT and ML abilities), but at a smaller resolution ever be considered a PS6?" At that point generation cease to exist. Sony would officially be ushering in the Age of Generationless Console Gaming. Like, it's been happening on PC but never in the console space. Is that what Sony truly wants? Because that comes with some obvious downsides.
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how can a machine with with 1/4 of the TF performance of my pc, playing games at smaller resolution than my pc ever be considered a pc?
Plays exactly the same games, that's how :)
 
I hope, because of PSP revival, we shall see again some quirky games and gimmicks and gadgets just like those in the psp of the past. Im actually excited about pspnext gen.
 
mckmas8808 said:
That would be literally the WORST PS6 generation decision that Sony could make. Like literally THE WORST! Only Microsoft has made decisions this dumb over the last 15 years. There's no reason for Sony to mandate that. They don't "mandate" companies to make PS5 Pro enhancements either.

Most devs will chose to do so, given the budget and time it takes. But to force it makes literally NO SENSE! Also, not sure some of your understand this but Sony typically doesn't mandate alot of things within the PlayStation universe.
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Sorry, I didn't mean they'd mandate 3rd parties. Sony games will definitely run on both though imo.

but like you said, I don't think they need to mandate anything, devs will continue to make games "cross-gen" cause there's not much reason not to anymore. especially given the economy this thing is launching into, a lot of people just aren't gonna be upgrading.
 
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