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Kronark said:
What???... That is literally what happened to Destiny, BUNGIE DID THIS ALREADY. The "vaulted" Destiny content is content they couldn't be bothered to update so they just deleted it from the game. The entire first two years of content for Destiny 2 are gone forever now. Other changes are subjective I guess but there's a lot of other shit they did to Destiny to ruin my experience that can't be undone.

I've also played other games ruined by "updates". Team Fortress 2 comes to mind as a classic example. There were good early updates like the payload gamemode and maps, but after a while the game just went to shit with crates / hats / weapons and lost it's gameplay identity. At least in the case of TF2 you could run a modded server to restore the 1.0 gameplay structure.
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Yep. Live service games are prone to change and can get better with updates ... or they can get worse and forever changed with updates. Try and play the original Overwatch or try to play the original Torbjorn hero for example. What if I like it the way it was then ? That motherfucker got reworked and had his kit changed like 20 times and that's true for other heros too.

If I like chess, I don't need and want chess v1.553 where the queen can now only move 10 spaces and the pawns can move backwards and the pieces have hats and are unrecognizable.
 
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Well yeah, we Destiny players weren't thrilled with all the failed Marathon hype accompanied by scaled back Destiny with dogshit mini-expansions... but uhh, actually killing the game off with no further content and no sequel? Yo Bungo, spoiler alert we probably weren't going to Marathon even had it found its own success.

Cross has had a bunch of comedy gold takes, his YouTube shorts team is kind of slow though the edits are usually pretty good. Maybe later.
 
Kronark said:
What???... That is literally what happened to Destiny, BUNGIE DID THIS ALREADY. The "vaulted" Destiny content is content they couldn't be bothered to update so they just deleted it from the game. The entire first two years of content for Destiny 2 are gone forever now. Other changes are subjective I guess but there's a lot of other shit they did to Destiny to ruin my experience that can't be undone.

I've also played other games ruined by "updates". Team Fortress 2 comes to mind as a classic example. There were good early updates like the payload gamemode and maps, but after a while the game just went to shit with crates / hats / weapons and lost it's gameplay identity. At least in the case of TF2 you could run a modded server to restore the 1.0 gameplay structure.
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I don't think you're really looking at this stuff from a logical position.

I spent $29.99 on KCD2 late last year. I got through the first 3-4 hours (the linear part) and then as soon as it plopped me on that street, when the game opens up, I grew disinterested and stopped playing. I spent $30 dollars on 4 hours of mildly amusing content.

I spent $40 on 200+ hours of highly entertaining Marathon gameplay...and I'm highly interested / excited to see S2 and beyond.

On what planet should I be "concerned" about Marathon? I couldn't care less if they "vault" Dire Marsh and replace it with a new map. I like the fact that they're doing resets every 3 months. I'm not attached to that stuff. I don't hold the Marathon dev team accountable for the actions of the Destiny dev team. They're two different games built by two different teams. Are you going to hold it against the next Zelda game because Nintendo made that wheelchair multi-player game last year? Of course not.

If Marathon goes belly up in a year I'll have gotten more value out of it than 1,000 KCD2's. It'll likely be a top 3 game of the generation for me. If I'm not concerned about KCD2, what on earth makes you think I should be concerned about Marathon?
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
I don't think you're really looking at this stuff from a logical position.

I spent $29.99 on KCD2 late last year. I got through the first 3-4 hours (the linear part) and then as soon as it plopped me on that street, when the game opens up, I grew disinterested and stopped playing. I spent $30 dollars on 4 hours of mildly amusing content.

I spent $40 on 200+ hours of highly entertaining Marathon gameplay...and I'm highly interested / excited to see S2 and beyond.

On what planet should I be "concerned" about Marathon? I couldn't care less if they "vault" Dire Marsh and replace it with a new map. I like the fact that they're doing resets every 3 months. I'm not attached to that stuff. I don't hold the Marathon dev team accountable for the actions of the Destiny dev team. They're two different games built by two different teams. Are you going to hold it against the next Zelda game because Nintendo made that wheelchair multi-player game last year? Of course not.

If Marathon goes belly up in a year I'll have gotten more value out of it than 1,000 KCD2's. It'll likely be a top 3 game of the generation for me. If I'm not concerned about KCD2, what on earth makes you think I should be concerned about Marathon?
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Men_in_Boxes said:
I don't think you're really looking at this stuff from a logical position.

I spent $29.99 on KCD2 late last year. I got through the first 3-4 hours (the linear part) and then as soon as it plopped me on that street, when the game opens up, I grew disinterested and stopped playing. I spent $30 dollars on 4 hours of mildly amusing content.

I spent $40 on 200+ hours of highly entertaining Marathon gameplay...and I'm highly interested / excited to see S2 and beyond.

On what planet should I be "concerned" about Marathon? I couldn't care less if they "vault" Dire Marsh and replace it with a new map. I like the fact that they're doing resets every 3 months. I'm not attached to that stuff. I don't hold the Marathon dev team accountable for the actions of the Destiny dev team. They're two different games built by two different teams. Are you going to hold it against the next Zelda game because Nintendo made that wheelchair multi-player game last year? Of course not.

If Marathon goes belly up in a year I'll have gotten more value out of it than 1,000 KCD2's. It'll likely be a top 3 game of the generation for me. If I'm not concerned about KCD2, what on earth makes you think I should be concerned about Marathon?
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Remember Destiny made you pay for keys to be able the access dungeons or some shit like that.

The vast majority of people don't understand/don't want to see or acknowledge the significance of Bungie failing. And because media isn't doing its job, "The Hate" is the next best thing, and it has been overwhelmingly relentless... Awesome

It would be better for Sony and Bungie to kill Marathon outright. But for me, it would be better if they kept it alive just enough for the small fanbase to turn on the studio the moment Bungie starts squeezing players for money, no one will defend Bungie anymore; well except for the media, which would make things even better for me.

Bungie represents everything wrong with the industry:

Bloated and unproductive.
Super expensive with subpar and lackluster output.
Hubris, taking the audience for granted.
Creatively bankrupt (chasing trends)
Media and it's gross relationship with devs and publishers (access and idiology)
And of course wokeness.

What's crazy is that even if Bungie shuts down, the postmortem from the media, Sony, and Bungie will never point to those factors. Instead, they will just blame gamers, leadership, and capitalism.🤷🏻‍♂️

So, they deserve "the hate" and it's just going to get worse.

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Men_in_Boxes said:
I don't think you're really looking at this stuff from a logical position.

I spent $29.99 on KCD2 late last year. I got through the first 3-4 hours (the linear part) and then as soon as it plopped me on that street, when the game opens up, I grew disinterested and stopped playing. I spent $30 dollars on 4 hours of mildly amusing content.

I spent $40 on 200+ hours of highly entertaining Marathon gameplay...and I'm highly interested / excited to see S2 and beyond.

On what planet should I be "concerned" about Marathon? I couldn't care less if they "vault" Dire Marsh and replace it with a new map. I like the fact that they're doing resets every 3 months.

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If Marathon goes belly up in a year I'll have gotten more value out of it than 1,000 KCD2's. It'll likely be a top 3 game of the generation for me. If I'm not concerned about KCD2, what on earth makes you think I should be concerned about Marathon?
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Ok so the goal post has already shifted from "No one has ever done that" to "It's ok that they did that", nice. I'm not sure what the counter argument is here? It's ok if gaming experiences I love and paid for get deleted, because I might buy another game and find it boring? The two are unrelated.

1) Your enjoyment of any given game is subjective, and will differ from other people. There are plenty of people that bought Marathon or Destiny and got sick of it in 2 hours. Likewise there are numerous people that kept going in KCD2 and thought it was GotY worthy.

2) You're really outing yourself here with the number of hours comparison. You seem to have a really cynical view of games if it's all hours of engagement to you, that's the way executives speak about their 'product'. No one speaks this way about movies. "Well you know the Lord of the Rings trilogy are the best movies because you're encouraged to watch all 3 and the extended editions combine to 12 hours so they're obviously the best movies."

It's not about whether I got my money's worth. It's about a piece of art that had a meaningful impact of my life being gone and inaccessible forever. That piece of art isn't gone due to an accident or tragic freak occurrence. It's gone because of shit decision making, neglect, and greed from Bungie management.

Men_in_Boxes said:
I don't hold the Marathon dev team accountable for the actions of the Destiny dev team. They're two different games built by two different teams. Are you going to hold it against the next Zelda game because Nintendo made that wheelchair multi-player game last year? Of course not.
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Isn't 1/4 of the Marathon team LITERALLY the Destiny team right now? Nintendo is also a weak comparison because they have dozens of teams working in isolation, while Bungie is 2 teams in the same building with the same shit leadership structure.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
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This is what I said...

"I've played a lot of Live Service games in my day. None of them have gone the way of your made up scenario here."
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The implication of that sentence is that this doesn't happen, despite it happening with Bungie's other game. If you're denying this you have the communication skills of a 3 year old.
 
CrustyBritches said:
I feel bad for the Destiny guys, but I think they need to accept that Bungie likely isnt even capable of making a Destiny 3, and I think Marathon is the result of that.
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Let's be honest, they weren't even capable of making Marathon, which is why they released this barebones version of what they actually wanted.
 
CrustyBritches said:
I feel bad for the Destiny guys, but I think they need to accept that Bungie likely isnt even capable of making a Destiny 3, and I think Marathon is the result of that.
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You're not wrong, but seeing them actually kill D2 has left me way sadder about the situation than I would have expected. Despite not playing for 3 years I really do miss the game at it's best and I really wish they had just figured their shit out and fixed the game. There was at least hope before that they'd turn it around but now that hope is gone too.

I don't even think Bungie sees the core problems though. They probably think everyone raved about the Witch Queen and Final Shape campaigns / content so the game must all be good, but they did nothing to address the core systems underneath causing frustration and burn out. Constant perk resets, repeated light grinds, weekly time gates, ignored PvP mode, no social structure, FOMO seasonal content, etc that burned people out.
 
Kronark said:
The implication of that sentence is that this doesn't happen, despite it happening with Bungie's other game. If you're denying this you have the communication skills of a 3 year old.
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You're moving goalposts pretty hard here.

Our exchange started after you said this, which I found preposterous...

"Ohhh yeah continued development at Bungie is great. They'll upgrade the Marathon engine and then decide Dire Marsh isn't worth the week it should take an intern to update it to the new engine so the map is just gone forever now. Then they'll add some bullshit mechanic you don't like to increase grinding / fomo / engagement and guess what that's just part of the experience now, forever."

These are not rational fears. No one playing Marathon thinks they're going to charge for, and remove Dire Marsh. The idea that just because a different leadership team did something in one game it must mean they're going to do it in all games is illogical.

You wanted there to be an implication in my words, but in reality there was none. I've never played a LS game (and I've played a lot) where this happens.

Just buckle up and enjoy watching Marathon grow, even if it's from the sidelines.
 
CrustyBritches said:
I feel bad for the Destiny guys, but I think they need to accept that Bungie likely isnt even capable of making a Destiny 3, and I think Marathon is the result of that.
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You're definitely right, they are well aware they aren't capable of making a real sequel worth a damn, that's why the excuse about the money needed to be developed or some bs like that
 
Came in at 12.1k. A decent gain. Past week or so, the CCU has held up as Season 2 is around the corner. Steam Ratings still dropping

All time peak was launch day 88.3k. Today's peak at 12.1k is -76.2k or -86%

Today vs yesterday: 12.1k vs 11.4k (+0.7k or +6%)

Yesterday's low 3.4k. If the rate holds, low tonight will be 3.6.k

Wed vs Wed: 12.1k vs 10.8k (+1.3k or +12%). Trending lately is about -15% to +10% since early May. All over the place

Ratio method to estimate peaks and valleys
Mon-Thur 3.3:1. For example, a peak of 12k will have a low of 3.6k. For Fri/Sat, gamers stay up playing so the ratio is 2.5:1

Steam Rankings
Daily Active Users: 153
Global Top Sellers: 84
Weekly Top Sellers: Unknown. Not on top 100
Top Rated Games: 6,794 (82.62%)
 
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