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[Madflavor]

Wednesday's numbers. Obsession beats Mando by $1.4 million. Mando continue to drop below Solo. Fucking yikes, this might actually drop close to 70% this weekend. It's a safe bet at this point that Mandarin and Grok is going to be a flop and can be written off. Mind you, these two characters were supposedly the two most popular characters in the new Disney Era of this franchise. If Starfighter doesn't bring in the cash, Star Wars might actually be fucked for the foreseeable future. I can see them announcing more movies as they usually do, but I would bet that the studio at this point is waiting to see how Starfighter performs before making any actual commitments.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Like the originals had any substance lol
It's pure nostalgia, I can't help myself and laugh when I watch the originals again on how cringe it was

 

[Hari Seldon]

I think Starfighter will do much better. I thought the Mando show was mid and didn't bother past season 1. I have zero motivation to ever see this movie which my super Star Wars fan friend called "4 episodes stitched together". Starfighter has Gosling who is actually a worthy Harrison Ford stand-in, so I'm much more interested in that.

 

[jason10mm]

I think Starfighter will do much better. I thought the Mando show was mid and didn't bother past season 1. I have zero motivation to ever see this movie which my super Star Wars fan friend called "4 episodes stitched together". Starfighter has Gosling who is actually a worthy Harrison Ford stand-in, so I'm much more interested in that.

I'm hoping M&G does fairly well on D+ and Starfighter can carry on that banner. M&G doing poorly is more a condemnation of the abysmal S3 of Mando, DISASTER of The Acolyte, ho-hum of Ashoka, and most importantly, a TOTAL REJECTION of Rey and RoS and all that stuff. It's a bit of a slap to Pedro Pascal, I think, even though "he" was only in about 3 minutes of the film and I'm seeing more and more of the Wayne guy that normally wears the suit.

I'm sure the internet shrills will be saying that the lack of stronk females is why this isn't kicking down doors, but we all know that isn't the case.

Lucasarts is sweating that Starfighter marketing campaign though, how much to spend when you can't get any easy happy meal tie-ins? If it goes straight to D+ then you know Star Wars is dead. But I think they learned the same lesson Pixar did, and will course correct just like they did and shuffle the DEI off to the side and get back to core audience appeal.

 

[Billbofet]

I don't think Starfighter will do well, as it is a standalone taking place after the horrific sequel trilogy, and I don't think Gosling has the star power to carry a movie.
While not tied directly to the Rey trilogy, it's going to still have the baggage and uninteresting characters around that timeline.

Their best hope is to genuinely market the movie as a sequel to Project Hail Mary. People are dumb enough to fall for it.

 

[Mengy]

Obsession beat Mando yesterday lmao!!!

Yeah, that's pretty incredible honestly. Just goes to show how bad Mando & Grogu is doing.

 

[freemandos]

Hmm, maybe they don't make any important mention to the sequel trilogy in Starfighter. I mean, what kind of background do they need in the first place? It will be a story in the New Republic and they can tell any mission against empire remnants without mentioning nothing about Rey and her friends, fake Luke or Palpatine. They can still screw up, of course. We'll see...

Meanwhile...just read X-Wing novels and comic book series. Just in case.

 

[jason10mm]

Hmm, maybe they don't make any important mention to the sequel trilogy in Starfighter. I mean, what kind of background do they need in the first place? It will be a story in the New Republic and they can tell any mission against empire remnants without mentioning nothing about Rey and her friends, fake Luke or Palpatine. They can still screw up, of course. We'll see...

Meanwhile...just read X-Wing novels and comic book series. Just in case.

This is what Star Wars fans want, and the internet harpies that have infected Lucasarts would complain about damn near every character in it.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Hmm, maybe they don't make any important mention to the sequel trilogy in Starfighter. I mean, what kind of background do they need in the first place? It will be a story in the New Republic and they can tell any mission against empire remnants without mentioning nothing about Rey and her friends, fake Luke or Palpatine. They can still screw up, of course. We'll see...

Meanwhile...just read X-Wing novels and comic book series. Just in case.

Grew up reading those. I prefer the Wraith Squadion books in that series but the whole series was fantastic

Yub Yub Commander

 

[Madflavor]

Mork and Grork has officially dropped to #3 place.

Suffers a 17% first Wed to Thurs drop compared to Solo's 9%. The weekend won't be pretty for Captain Charisma and Gizmo.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Don't you know? They don't make Star Wars for adventurous boys and girls but for ideological critics.

 

[belmarduk]

Great to see horror beating the hell out of Star Wars crap.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Like the originals had any substance lol
It's pure nostalgia, I can't help myself and laugh when I watch the originals again on how cringe it was

Yeah. I guess it's not a popular take, but for me Star Wars was all about the EU (novels, video games, etc). The movies were never great. Also agree about Rogue One.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yeah. I guess it's not a popular take, but for me Star Wars was all about the EU (novels, video games, etc). The movies were never great. Also agree about Rogue One.

The EU gave me a lot memories when I was a teen. I never read The Thrawn Trilogy but Han Solo Trilogy, X-Wing Series, NJO and Post NJO was the stuff I loved the most about Star Wars EU

 

[Jinxed]

Yeah. I guess it's not a popular take, but for me Star Wars was all about the EU (novels, video games, etc). The movies were never great. Also agree about Rogue One.

Totally agree!

 

[Fake]

Told you about the damage done by that woman.

A single indie horror movie is beating Star Wars. A movie that cost less than 1m.

 

[Mengy]

Told you about the damage done by that woman.

A single indie horror movie is beating Star Wars. A movie that cost less than 1m.

Yep, the brand damage done by KK to Star Wars has been nothing short of incredible and astonishing. I have a feeling this will be studied many years from now by film and art students as what NOT to do, or how NOT to ruin a property.

Disney payed tons of money for a thriving brand and then let KK corrupt it into something else entirely, a new brand which appeals to very few. They did it to Marvel too only worse in some ways, because they created the MCU and then purposefully changed it into something else with different ideals and priorities, which ruined the good thing they had built. Then Doctor Who as well.

The common factor in all of this is: "modern" Disney.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Game over.

 

[calico]

 

[Saber]

Maybe I'm wrong but some sites aren't really counting or updating the budget including marketing costs. If you take marketing costs out it looks like the Mandalorian crap seems lower in the eyes of the public.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Mando is being beat by both Backrooms and Obsession

Meme factor and word-of-mouth are very important to get people to show up to a new movie, and Mando had niether.

 

[Fake]

Word-of-mout will always be immortal.

IDK where those generations z agents get the ideia of 'hashtags are importans'. No, just no.
Sony was already fucked up by this mentality of following social treads, Morbius getting into cinema rooms two times at row because some trolls bump up hashtags over Twitter/Facebook.

Is simple. The movie is good, there is no need to pay internet pages like Variety or The Edge to fake promove.

A good movie, folks get out of the cinema room and start to spread the word. Simple as that.

 

[Germuso]

Just let die star wars.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The absolute brainrot and lack of imagination in creating a fresh story is appalling. I can't believe there's a single writer left in Hollywoke that can't do anything good with the fantastic lore of SW. I'd kill for such opportunity.

 

[Artoris]

Is it watchable

 

[SirKicksalot]

Do kids even like modern Star Wars? The previous trilogies had a cool factor that I'm not finding in these new things, except for Rogue One and occasionally Andor.

Kids were captivated by the world and action of Episode 1 while Gen X was complaining about the opening crawl. Now Gen X and jaded older millennials are in charge and it's mostly kiddy bullshit mixed with the writer's therapy sessions. It feels performative. George's movies felt sincere, despite 5 out of 6 being designed with toy sales in mind.

 

[freemandos]

Ugh, yeah, it feels very weird seeing a Star Wars movie losing against indie horror movies.

Do kids even like modern Star Wars? The previous trilogies had a cool factor that I'm not finding in these new things, except for Rogue One and occasionally Andor.

Kids were captivated by the world and action of Episode 1 while Gen X was complaining about the opening crawl. Now Gen X and jaded older millennials are in charge and it's mostly kiddy bullshit mixed with the writer's therapy sessions. It feels performative. George's movies felt sincere, despite 5 out of 6 being designed with toy sales in mind.

Careful, pal, Star Wars is just a generational thing, it was never good (just like Sonic games) and sequels are making the same whole generation of fans like the original trilogy and prequels. It was always political despite the OT being considered a return to movies as escapism in a decade of cinema when that was becoming rare. It was always made just for toddlers (kids never stop being that) despite the OT being pg movies when pg-13 didn't exist yet, ewoks from RotJ a controversial thing at the time and RotS rated pg-13. Also, everything made for young people, kids or whatever shouldn't be judged by any quality standards of any kind, works like the good Pixar movies or Don Bluth are just manchild's myths. So it's just like videogames and every piece of entertainment made with young audience in mind, it's just the audience's fault and never the product. We should accept everything just started with internet and low our standards for everthing and always use the latest product as bar quality, not matter how much it sucks.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Yeah. I guess it's not a popular take, but for me Star Wars was all about the EU (novels, video games, etc). The movies were never great. Also agree about Rogue One.

The video games were always my favorite. Even the newer canon games under Disney are better than any of the movies.

The EU had KOTOR 1 and 2 which was even better than the original trilogy.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

They earn so much on merch from this franchise that they don't care. Star Wars is a content farm now.

All the bad TV shows made Star Wars generic and boring in the eyes of the average Joe and now it's fucking flopping. Star Wars flopping, can you believe it.

 

[SirKicksalot]

It was always political despite the OT being considered a return to movies as escapism in a decade of cinema when that was becoming rare. It was always made just for toddlers (kids never stop being that) despite the OT being pg movies when pg-13 didn't exist yet, ewoks from RotJ a controversial thing at the time and RotS rated pg-13.

I always thought that kids enjoy the politics of Star Wars. I did when I was a kid! They add a bit of gravitas.
Kids are smart, they get this stuff, it doesn't need to be watered down or turned into a mockery like the First Order.

They earn so much on merch from this franchise that they don't care. Star Wars is a content farm now.

All the bad TV shows made Star Wars generic and boring in the eyes of the average Joe and now it's fucking flopping. Star Wars flopping, can you believe it.

The best thing about Mando is that we now have a Werner Herzog action figure.

 

[jason10mm]

They earn so much on merch from this franchise that they don't care. Star Wars is a content farm now.

What merch? Star Wars stuff is DEAD, compared to the heyday.

How many sheets, lunch boxes, TOYS, clothes, etc are they selling? Ain't much now, for sure, and I bet 90% of the stuff you see (mugs, waffle makers, etc) are unlicensed junk out of china. They sell a bunch of stuff out of the theme parks but that's a pittance to the old days.

Star Trek has, supposedly, a very profitable syndication $$$ stream of the old shows, but Star Wars doesn't have that.

I almost wonder if Disney will sell off Lucasarts once George passes. The parks are pretty heavily invested on Star Wars but they could always keep those with the same type of deal they had before acquiring LA.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

What merch? Star Wars stuff is DEAD, compared to the heyday.

How many sheets, lunch boxes, TOYS, clothes, etc are they selling? Ain't much now, for sure, and I bet 90% of the stuff you see (mugs, waffle makers, etc) are unlicensed junk out of china. They sell a bunch of stuff out of the theme parks but that's a pittance to the old days.

Star Trek has, supposedly, a very profitable syndication $$$ stream of the old shows, but Star Wars doesn't have that.

I almost wonder if Disney will sell off Lucasarts once George passes. The parks are pretty heavily invested on Star Wars but they could always keep those with the same type of deal they had before acquiring LA.

There is tons of Star Wars merch, they announced they sold 13 million baby Yoda toys, and the lego stuff is selling great, it's where they make the most money, not from films.

 

[jason10mm]

There is tons of Star Wars merch, they announced they sold 13 million baby Yoda toys, and the lego stuff is selling great, it's where they make the most money, not from films.

You must not have been around (in the US at least) in the 80's to 2010s when Star Wars was EVERYWHERE. The sheer amount of Star Wars stuff I had as a kid/teen would beggar the imagination. It's a shadow of what once was.

And 13 mill baby yodas didn't seem to help M&G in the theater (for shame, IMHO).

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

You must not have been around (in the US at least) in the 80's to 2010s when Star Wars was EVERYWHERE. The sheer amount of Star Wars stuff I had as a kid/teen would beggar the imagination. It's a shadow of what once was.

And 13 mill baby yodas didn't seem to help M&G in the theater (for shame, IMHO).

I do like Disney Star Wars but ever since they bought it, I'm not as into the IP as I used to be. Before they bought it, I was into the Prequel Trilogy and Star Wars EU during my highschool and college years, after those years, I was mostly into The Clone Wars and Star War EU. Now while I have enjoyed some of the Disney Star Wars, it's noticieble less than Luca's Star Wars

I grew up watching the OT trilogy so Luca's Star Wars is more impactful to me. My issue with Disney Star Wars is that they are too afraid to experiment, whatever you say about Lucas, he always experimented with his films. Even with The Clone War shows there were episodes that were vastly different from the rest of the show. It's one of the reasons why The Clone Wars is my favorite Star Wars

Instead I'm more of a MCU/Marvel Comics fan than I am a Star Wars fan. Yes Post Phase 3 has a lot of issues but I still liked a lot of stuff Post Phase 3. And I credit MCU for getting me to read more of the comics

When Mando And Grogu movie comes out on digital, I'll most likely enjoy it more than the rest of the Star Wars Disney has put out in regards to movies. The only Disney Star Wars Movie I loved was Rogue One, the rest I hated

When it comes to their Disney Star Wars TV, it's been mostly mixed, for every The Mandolorian Season 2, Skeleton Crew, Book of Boba Fett (Bite ME) and Andor there's crap like The Acolyte and Obi-Wan. Ahsoka wasn't bad, it was just super boring to me, here's hoping Season 2 is much better

EDIT - I'm also looking forward to when Hokum, Obsession and Backrooms comes to digital

 

[freemandos]

I always thought that kids enjoy the politics of Star Wars. I did when I was a kid! They add a bit of gravitas.
Kids are smart, they get this stuff, it doesn't need to be watered down or turned into a mockery like the First Order.

Mmm, I don't know, I think politics are not usually the main interest about Star Wars for kids, even if some of them enjoy it. Don't take me wrong, I watched movies like Robocop, Terminator and the first Ghostbusters movie when I was a kid, I loved them, lots of kids did it...but those movies weren't clearly made for kids in mind. I agree people underestimate kids sometimes anyway (and more than sometimes). Old fairy tales were...incredibly dark. And yes, the First Order was totally unnecessary.

And, I won't deny, even George Lucas couldn't make himself clear about that "for twelve years old" excuse with the Phantom Menace and after that. Among other reasons, ewoks and gungans were clearly for smaaaller kids (and I don't hate ewoks), Revenge of the Sith was a pg-13 movie, he gave his approval to EU things like the novel Shatterpoint (very good, btw), the first Star Wars movie was made when that rating didn't even exist, the mechardising was an afterthought with that entry...and we'll agree it wasn't made with the same mentality than Mandalorian & Grogu. Or even the sequel trilogy.

My previous point anyway was...that story about "you can't criticize modern Star Wars because it was always like that" is more revisionism to dismiss any negative opinion than anything. And even thinking that...we're underestimating kids anyway.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Kids don't give a shit about Star Wars in 2026.

Mando show had potential to get them back, but in true Disney fashion they ruined it like morons.

 

[Saber]

You must not have been around (in the US at least) in the 80's to 2010s when Star Wars was EVERYWHERE. The sheer amount of Star Wars stuff I had as a kid/teen would beggar the imagination. It's a shadow of what once was.

And 13 mill baby yodas didn't seem to help M&G in the theater (for shame, IMHO).

Not only that but Star Wars do poorly around the globe. Flexing baby Yoda sells is meanless as it could be a bunch of old grandma girls mass buying merchs (like those fat influencers girls screaming that they dont care about the film as long baby Yoda is in it).
I have yet to see someone using baby Yoda merch around here, not even kids give a crap about it. Kids here still care mostly about super hero stuff (mostly Batman) while girls mostly about Barbie and some cutie plushies.

 

[Billbofet]

I would have to pay my children to go see this movie, which makes me sad that it's come to this.
I think Rogue One was the last piece of SW content that was satisfying, at least for me.

 

[Madflavor]

Looks like it's heading for a sub $25m weekend. Tracking below Solo and currently neck and neck with Indy 5 but may fall a bit below even that.

 

[Ristifer]

Kids don't give a shit about Star Wars in 2026.

Mando show had potential to get them back, but in true Disney fashion they ruined it like morons.

It's not even just that. Mandy is a shit character. No one gives a fuck about that cardboard cutout. It's a character with armour and monotone lines. Star Wars doesn't have interesting characters anymore. There's no one to root for, no one to root against. It's all just cutouts of the same bullshit writing over and over.

 

[freemandos]

It's not even just that. Mandy is a shit character. No one gives a fuck about that cardboard cutout. It's a character with armour and monotone lines. Star Wars doesn't have interesting characters anymore. There's no one to root for, no one to root against. It's all just cutouts of the same bullshit writing over and over.

I don't know, I don't remember her having armour of any kind and the movie in general kicks ass :

 

[SJRB]

I don't know, I don't remember her having armour of any kind and the movie in general kicks ass :

This movie is 1000000000000 times better than Mandarin and Goku btw

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Looks like it's heading for a sub $25m weekend. Tracking below Solo and currently neck and neck with Indy 5 but may fall a bit below even that.

Obsession is showing in nearly 2000 fewer screens but is by far the bigger seller.

Personally, I'm not surprised. The Mandalorian going to cinema felt like a non-event to me. Any tv show making the jump to cinema doesn't feel exciting to me ever.

It's an interesting thing though, we live in a time where corporations were getting a return on just giving people more of what they liked. It seems like we are at a point where the limits of saturation might be being found.

Hopefully we'll get to a place where new ideas can flourish.

 

[calico]

They stopped giving fans what they liked and started using the franchises as vehicles for activism. If they had carried on giving fans what they liked instead of alienating them, these franchises would all be doing just fine.

 

[Hari Seldon]

This is what decades of an entrenched old guard, nepotism, and DEI gets you: a Hollywood severely lacking talent. Great to see young filmmakers slaughtering corporate IP slop.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Not only that but Star Wars do poorly around the globe. Flexing baby Yoda sells is meanless as it could be a bunch of old grandma girls mass buying merchs (like those fat influencers girls screaming that they dont care about the film as long baby Yoda is in it).
I have yet to see someone using baby Yoda merch around here, not even kids give a crap about it. Kids here still care mostly about super hero stuff (mostly Batman) while girls mostly about Barbie and some cutie plushies.

Star Wars do poorly around the world? grandmas are mass buying baby yodas?

 

[kpopSuperstar]

You must not have been around (in the US at least) in the 80's to 2010s when Star Wars was EVERYWHERE. The sheer amount of Star Wars stuff I had as a kid/teen would beggar the imagination. It's a shadow of what once was.

And 13 mill baby yodas didn't seem to help M&G in the theater (for shame, IMHO).

It doesn't have to be Star Wars in the 80s to be good. Force Awakens was gigantic and gave Star Wars a push that lasted years. They pushed tons of Star Wars into their parks with great success.

 

[Saber]

Star Wars do poorly around the world? grandmas are mass buying baby yodas?

Also called influencers, yeah.
Might be surprising to some people, but there are other countries besides USA. Star Wars has barelly any presence here, the time where Star Wars were at its peak was when they were doing multitude of Anakin focused cartoons (I think pretty much after the prequels). Boys here loved young Anakin apparently. The sequels were only good for pulling high numbers for obvious reasons(hype factor was huge), but it didn't do much to push Star Wars, specially its toys.
Nowadays? Lmao, you have to be incredibly stupid to think people here are into baby Yoda. Even the name of the film here is absurdly demented, as they extended the name even more thanks to brazilian dub (they call it Mandaloriano and Grogu, so the name gets very extensive).

 

[kunonabi]

It doesn't have to be Star Wars in the 80s to be good. Force Awakens was gigantic and gave Star Wars a push that lasted years. They pushed tons of Star Wars into their parks with great success.

Oh is that why they closed the galactic star cruiser and are currently reshaping the place to be OT based instead of the sequel trilogy.

 

[jason10mm]

Oh is that why they closed the galactic star cruiser and are currently reshaping the place to be OT based instead of the sequel trilogy.

The Star Cruiser hotel was never gonna work, it wasn't just a theme and no one wants to play Star Wars for days (and has the $$$ to do it).

The Star Wars area should have ALWAYS been OT and a bit of PT themed. They knew right away, despite the success of TFA, that it wasn't moving merch the way the OT and PT stuff did.