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[rCIZZLE]

This seems to be the argument of all the creeper-shot apologists. "Well they are weird, I'm not denying that, buut..."

There is no "but". I said they are weird. Others are probably doing it for the attention aka up votes. Ever been on reddit? People will do anything for up votes.

I never mentioned anything about you saying they weren't creepy, only that you're blaming the victims.

Somehow you believed I said they are consenting for their unknowing picture being put on the internet. How am I even victim blaming? By saying they're going to get attention regardless and more attention as they approach the generally accepted ideal?

What is the solution then? Do I have to mess up my hair and wear a hoodie and jeans everytime I leave the house? Oh wait, jeans reveal the shape of my legs! I guess I'm just asking for attention and creeper shots then right?

Never said they're asking for attention just that certain things generate more of it. Yes, if you do things to maximize your appearance than people will take notice. Looking or even taking pictures is a form of attention.

Women with large breasts tend to have a lot of difficulty hiding their shape, are they looking for attention too? You are really really overstating the amount women care about getting attention when they go to the supermarket.

Lol. See above.

There is a huge difference between ogling a woman in the supermarket and photographing her, keeping the image forever and jerking off to it at home.

I take it you've never heard of the "spank bank".

Being a creep isn't illegal. Taking and distributing photos of someone on the internet without their consent IS, or it should be.

And I don't see how this wouldn't be a mess. What if someone takes a drunk picture of you at a party and puts it on facebook/reddit/whatever?

You basically are victim blaming when you say

I don't consider them a victim in that specific situation. (before you guys misquote, go look what I said)

 

[Kite]

Being a creep isn't illegal. Taking and distributing photos of someone on the internet without their consent IS, or it should be.

hah so I can go trolling through facebook and find all the pics where I appear in the background and get them taken down. Niice~ Or not, that isn't a country I want to be in. As long as your image isn't being used to make money or to advertise something and it was taken in a recognized public space I don't think you don't have a right to your public image.

Such a law would have terrible consequences, taking a pic or video of a someone committing a crime well.. I don't they're gonna give you consent.

 

[ColonelColon]

If all women wore burka's this wouldn't be a problem.

Ah yes, because there isn't a middle ground between burkas and form fitting yoga pants that show every outline and crevice on the body.

 

[shanshan310]

There is no "but". I said they are weird. Others are probably doing it for the attention aka up votes. Ever been on reddit? People will do anything for up votes.

Sorry, I don't use reddit, but I suppose this comes back to the 'bragging rights' point of "omg I saw a stranger who was hot but I couldn't talk to her so I took a picture, you jelly?"

Somehow you believed I said they are consenting for their unknowing picture being put on the internet. How am I even victim blaming? By saying they're going to get attention regardless and more attention as they approach the generally accepted ideal?
Never said they're asking for attention just that certain things generate more of it. Yes, if you do things to maximize your appearance than people will take notice. Looking or even taking pictures is a form of attention.

By saying

I'd hardly consider them a victim if they keep going out in public the same way to the same kind of attention.

You are saying that women going out wearing sexy clothing are doing it for attention. And by saying that the answer is 'deal with it, you wore the sexy clothes!' you are victim blaming yes.

I take it you've never heard of the "spank bank".

Again, big difference.

 

[A.E Suggs]

Being a creep isn't illegal. Taking and distributing photos of someone on the internet without their consent IS, or it should be. Again, there is a big difference between ogling someone who walks past and taking a photo of them, jerking off to that photo in private and sharing it on the internet.

You mean at the very least this isn't what people in the topic were arguing about? Now I feel kinda bad.

 

[bigboss370]

i don't even really know what to feel/say. these days, there are cameras everywhere. if attractive girls are in a store you can bet your ass the guys in security are zooming up on them with the surveillance cameras. i've seen it happen. not just that but there are government cameras everywhere too. people are already on camera without consent really. so there should be an expectation that how you present yourself publicly will get you publicly seen. secondly, these creep shots don't seem to ever have the face of the person in the photo, so its not quite making anyone personally infamous.

so, one hand i think yes it is creepy/wrong, and on the other its not illegal.

 

[shanshan310]

hah so I can go trolling through facebook and find all the pics where I appear in the background and get them taken down. Niice~

Um... yeah, you can afaik.

 

[Kazerei]

I don't consider them a victim in that specific situation. (before you guys misquote, go look what I said)

An attractive woman keeps going out in public the same way to the same kind of attention. So she can't ever be a victim of creepshots and other negative behaviour? Because she's not doing anything to stop it?

That's basically victim blaming.

 

[Trey]

Um... yeah, you can afaik.

You can untag yourself, or request the uploader to take the picture down (which they don't have to do). The only other recourse would be to report the image to Facebook, but odds are they won't take it down unless it breaks their terms of service (i.e, illegal, nudity).

 

[Kite]

Um... yeah, you can afaik.

erm no. And I see you failed to respond to the second part of my post; criminals and evil-doers aren't going to consent to their image being pass around if their victims want to get their story out online and seek justice. Your attempt at legislating creepy actions has unintended consequences.

 

[Rentahamster]

Taking and distributing photos of someone on the internet without their consent IS, or it should be.

This by itself would have very negative consequences affecting freedom of speech and freedom of the press. You're gonna need a lot of extra addendums to make sure that doesn't happen while at the same time preserving the intent and integrity of the reason for such legislation.

 

[rCIZZLE]

Sorry, I don't use reddit, but I suppose this comes back to the 'bragging rights' point of "omg I saw a stranger who was hot but I couldn't talk to her so I took a picture, you jelly?"

Ya it's pretty much that but reddit has a voting system that's somewhat similar to what yahoo answers and other sites do. Think thumbs up on facebook that's tallied up and kept track of.

You are saying that women going out wearing sexy clothing are doing it for attention. And by saying that the answer is 'deal with it, you wore the sexy clothes!' you are victim blaming yes.

I don't consider them a victim in that specific situation. If you know something you're doing is netting you extra attention then why would you keep doing it? If, say, the girl in the gray pants from the OP notices more people looking her way than if she wore something a little less form fitting then what does she have to complain about?

Again, big difference.

Not really. They're still referencing the same moment in time when doing their business. Assuming they only ogle/take pictures to beat off to later, of course.

An attractive woman keeps going out in public the same way to the same kind of attention. So she can't ever be a victim of creepshots and other negative behaviour? Because she's not doing anything to stop it?

That's basically victim blaming.

I consider "ogling" and an unshared picture nearly the same. If a woman does something that gets her unwanted levels of non-threatening attention and keeps doing that same something then she's not a victim.

 

[shanshan310]

In one situation they have a memory, in the other a physical copy of the person's image. I would be significantly less okay with a stranger beating off to a photo of me than a memory.

erm no. And I see you failed to respond to the second part of my post; criminals and evil-doers aren't going to consent to their image being pass around if their victims want to get their story out online and seek justice. Your attempt at legislating creepy actions has unintended consequences.

I'm not very familiar with the laws regarding this tbh, but I'm sure a lot of this is already illegal. As for criminals, take the recordings to the police if you want real justice done. I have an inkling that there are situations where criminal acts are recorded without consent and they can't be used as evidence.

 

[noah111]

You know when you're wacking off and right after you cum you feel bad about not having intimate relations but sitting in your bed watching a girl take dong for $$$? Now imagine if those girls weren't getting paid.

I'd feel so awful. Almost like tugging it in public but without any eye contact.

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tugging it in public without any eye contact
(Today, 08:23 AM)

 

[Kazerei]

I don't consider them a victim in that specific situation. If you know something you're doing is netting you extra attention then why would you keep doing it? If, say, the girl in the gray pants from the OP notices more people looking her way than if she wore something a little less form fitting then what does she have to complain about?

It's not victim blaming because you don't consider her a victim?

Ohhhhhkay...

 

[shanshan310]

I consider "ogling" and an unshared picture nearly the same. If a woman does something that gets her unwanted levels of non-threatening attention and keeps doing that same something then she's not a victim.

So if a woman does it once and a picture is taken of her, is she then a victim? How can you tell how many times she's done it?

 

[Devolution]

I consider "ogling" and an unshared picture nearly the same. If a woman does something that gets her unwanted levels of non-threatening attention and keeps doing that same something then she's not a victim.

Clarify that something, you know what don't bother, you're gross.

 

[FyreWulff]

I consider "ogling" and an unshared picture nearly the same. If a woman does something that gets her unwanted levels of non-threatening attention and keeps doing that same something then she's not a victim.

Not sure where a woman is supposed to stop being a woman. But that happens when you try to justify fucked up behavior with victim blaming.

 

[rCIZZLE]

It's not victim blaming because you don't consider her a victim?

Ohhhhhkay...

So if I wear underwear on my head out in public and have people looking or taking pictures, complain about the attention, then do the same thing the next day would you consider me a victim?

Anybody who would suggest I maybe reconsider wearing underwear on my head if the attention is too much to handle is victim blaming, apparently.

It's been fun but I've gotta get my rest for the first Sunday of reffed football. Night all.

Clarify that something, you know what don't bother, you're gross.

lol. whatever. pretend you live in a society where people don't dare look at those they find attractive.

 

[Trey]

So if I wear underwear on my head out in public and have people looking or taking pictures, complain about the attention, then do the same thing the next day would you consider me a victim?

Anybody who would suggest I maybe reconsider wearing underwear on my head if the attention is too much to handle is victim blaming, apparently.

It's been fun but I've gotta get my rest for the first Sunday of reffed football. Night all.

The onus is on folks not to creep women, not women to conform to the unnecessary attention.

 

[Wrestlemania]

So if I wear underwear on my head out in public and have people looking or taking pictures, complain about the attention, then do the same thing the next day would you consider me a victim?

Anybody who would suggest I maybe reconsider wearing underwear on my head if the attention is too much to handle is victim blaming, apparently.

It's been fun but I've gotta get my rest for the first Sunday of reffed football. Night all.

Look up "false equivalence" before you go to bed.

 

[FyreWulff]

Look up "false equivalence" before you go to bed.

That would require demonstrating the ability to assemble a coherent argument.

 

[Kazerei]

So if I wear underwear on my head out in public and have people looking or taking pictures, complain about the attention, then do the same thing the next day would you consider me a victim?

Anybody who would suggest I maybe reconsider wearing underwear on my head if the attention is too much to handle is victim blaming, apparently.

It's been fun but I've gotta get my rest for the first Sunday of reffed football. Night all.

If someone took a picture of you and drew attention to it on the internet without your consent, yeah, I'd consider you a victim.

And if it happened the next day, I'd still consider you a victim. Not changing your behaviour doesn't mean you stop being a victim.

 

[Trey]

Look up "false equivalence" before you go to bed.

So it's okay to take and upload pictures of people in public without consent as long as the subject isn't sexual in some manner?

 

[shanshan310]

So it's okay to take and upload pictures of people in public without consent as long as the subject isn't sexual in some manner?

How does that point relate to "Wearing your pants on your head does not equal wearing clothes that might subjectively make one look 'sexy' "?

 

[Darren870]

I saw some guy taking creep shots in Amsterdam once. Really wanted to give the guy an ear full but since I was in a foreign country I decided to just block his camera with my ass.

Was just so weird to see someone do that. He looked pretty normal too

 

[Lunchbox]

what if i take creep shots of my ass and put it up? is that ok?

my ass is pretty hot, i'd do me

 

[FyreWulff]

what if i take creep shots of my ass and put it up? is that ok?

my ass is pretty hot, i'd do me

Yes, because you are deciding to put your own ass up and ass-share of your free will and control

 

[Trey]

How does that point relate to "Wearing your pants on your head does not equal wearing clothes that might subjectively make one look 'sexy' "?

It would only be a false equivalency if you the discriminating factor was the nature of the picture. His point being that if dressing a certain way brings about certain attention, and you're cognizant of this fact, then you should be somewhat at fault. Both situations fit that logic.

 

[FyreWulff]

It would only be a false equivalency if you the discriminating factor was the nature of the picture. His point being that if dressing a certain way brings about certain attention, and you're cognizant of this fact, then you should be somewhat at fault. Both situations fit that logic.

So what are women supposed to wear? One of the example pics is a fairly standard pair of jeans. Are they supposed to wear baggy cargo pants so you can't tell they have hips? Short of wearing a blanket, a burka, or extremely oversized baggy jeans and shirts, there isn't really a piece of clothing that hides the female figure.

People shouldn't be afraid of their own body and not be able to wear comfortable clothing because some people can't distinguish between acting like a proper social human being and a creeper.

 

[shanshan310]

It would only be a false equivalency if you the discriminating factor was the nature of the picture. His point being that if dressing a certain way brings about certain attention, and you're cognizant of this fact, then you should be somewhat at fault. Both situations fit that logic.

Yeahno. Again, if they wear something once and it gets unwanted attention, are they not at fault? Twice? What if they've worn sweatpants for months and there was only one time they got creeped on? How are you supposed to know what is causing the unwanted attention in the first place?

EDIT: okay nevermind ><

 

[Trey]

So what are women supposed to wear? One of the example pics is a fairly standard pair of jeans. Are they supposed to wear baggy cargo pants so you can't tell they have hips?

I'm merely saying it's not a false equivalency. Personally, I don't assign blame on anyone and merely recognize the act as creepy. Women can wear whatever they please as far as I'm concerned.

The entire victim blaming argument doesn't tackle the heart of the situation. It solves nothing to say "yeah, it's creepy, but it's your fault for being attractive."

 

[jaxword]

So what are women supposed to wear? One of the example pics is a fairly standard pair of jeans. Are they supposed to wear baggy cargo pants so you can't tell they have hips? Short of wearing a blanket, a burka, or extremely oversized baggy jeans and shirts, there isn't really a piece of clothing that hides the female figure.

Funny thing is, that IS the argument that people use for the burka.

Must suppress all possibility of seeing the female body at all times.

 

[bishoptl]

I'm closing this thread

I'm stickying this thread

And in exactly 12 hours I am going to run through with a fucking lawnmower on some accounts

Pray to whatever deities you prefer

 

[EviLore]

GAF, I have something to admit.

 

[DietRob]

 

[Dicer]

OMG, you sick bastard...

 

[Ferrio]

GAF, I have something to admit.

Don't blink.

 

[Shouta]

The return of creeplore!

 

[Devolution]

Nice as- I mean how COULD YOU

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Thread alive? May god help us all.

 

[coldvein]

everybody has to see david's taint at least once.

 

[Charoncaori]

Wise fwom your gwave!

 

[The Outsider]

Haha, incredible. I was wondering how this thread got unlocked!

 

[strafer]

dat something

 

[NullPointer]

More blood for the blood god!

 

[GillianSeed79]

That guy is obviously plastered Evil.

 

[CrazyDude]

This thread is already tainted.

 

[Parallax]

You like wallowing in graveyards, lore?

 

[Rayis]

What would Michelangelo say?