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Described as a "train wreck," "incoherent" and "weak" by gossip bloggers and TV critics, this year's MTV Video Music Awards has many people wondering whether the longtime popular cable network has completely lost its appeal.

The ratings for the VMAs over the past few years have steadily declined, but noteworthy events like 2003's kiss between Britney Spears and Madonna, and a celebrity-studded red carpet were elements obviously missing from the latest VMA installment.
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MTV programming isn't what it used to be, pop culture experts told ABCNews.com, but then again, neither is the entertainment industry.

Viewers have many more options for entertainment, and no longer rely solely on MTV, making the audience even harder to impress and the seats even harder to fill with celebrities who are spread thin across various outlets.


"[MTV's] biggest problem is that, in 1981, they were the only game in town, there was nothing like them," said Bob Thompson, pop culture guru and professor at Syracuse University.

"But that bird has flown. In the 80s, if you were a kid, MTV was where you went," said Thompson. "Now, kids have Comedy Central, Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network — there are so many other places providing entertainment.

"We're kind of waiting for the big VMA moment, the kisses, and that sort of stuff," he said. "I'm not sure that we saw that sort of stuff [this year]. What is it that you do to make the VMAs have the kind of juice and voltage that it had years ago? I'm not sure there's an answer to that."

MTV representatives were unable to be reached for comment Monday regarding the show's success.

Timberlake: 'Play More Videos'

Justin Timberlake, who took home four awards, including male artist of the year, may have the answer. He mentioned twice during the show that he thinks MTV should play more music videos and fewer reality shows.

"We don't want to see the Simpsons on reality television," said Timberlake, referring to Jessica and Ashlee Simpson, both of whom had popular reality shows on MTV.


Since MTV premiered in 1981 and played the first-ever music video, "Video Killed the Radio Star," reality television programming — sparked by the success of "The Real World" — has taken over as the main source of revenue for the network.

"I don't think MTV is ever going to reach the cultural heights where it was in the 1980s," said Thompson. "I would be looking for the next 'Real World,' or the next 'Super Sweet 16' — I don't think I'd be looking for the next music video. What makes these cable networks work is a few good hits. Nothing is the same as getting a big hit that everyone is talking about."

Timberlake's pleas for the return to the 80s, experts say, is something MTV executives will have to consider when they try to rebound from the dismal performances and attendance of this year's VMAs.

"MTV has been having an identity crisis for years," said Johanna Piazza, an entertainment reporter for the Daily News, who covered the VMAs. "It's essentially an outlet for reality TV programming, and they have to figure out where their identity is going. Do they want to go back to their roots and be a music television provider? If I had to guess, they'll stay with reality TV."

"The 'Hills' girls were the one brand that MTV can still count on to bring in viewers," said Piazza, who said she thought the VMAs were the worst she's ever seen. "They were probably the biggest MTV celebrities they had there last night."

Overall, some critics said this year's show was also less glamorous than years past, set at the Palms Hotel in Las Vegas, rather than more upscale locales like New York's Radio City Music Hall.

"In the 80s and 90s, the VMAs were really elaborate, and the amount of money spent was truly extravagant," said Phil Gallo, associate editor of Variety, who covers music, and has attended several of the awards shows in the past.

"Anyone who picks up the show that would go in a venue like Radio City, and then moves somewhere new, shows there's a lot of promotional considerations going on, and a lot more barter than outlay of cash," said Gallo.

"Like everybody in the entertainment business," added Gallo, "they want to see how they can do everything as cheaply as possible."

Gossip Alone Proves MTV Is Still Cool, Some Say

Celebrity bloggers were universally disappointed with the show, and blogged furiously throughout the night to log all of the action — or lack, thereof — at the awards show.

"It was sort of a really choppy schizophrenic program that wasn't exactly the kind of historic Super Bowl-like event that MTV was going for," said Moe Tkacik, editor of the popular gossip blog Jezebel, who live-blogged the VMAs.

"It's hard to say MTV is irrelevant or uncool, based on those horrible three hours of programming," said Tkacik, "but it shows that things like 'The Hills' are what's going to keep them relevant."

"I was just sitting there confused," said Maura Johnston, the editor of Idolator.com, who also live-blogged the show. "It was a train wreck from the beginning to the very, very end."

For some, the fact that so many bloggers and mainstream media outlets are interested in the VMAs at all shows that MTV hasn't lost its spark completely.

Even before the VMAs were over, headlines reflecting Britney Spears' lackluster performance were plastered on gossip blogs and news sites, garnering comments from viewers, eager to see what everyone else thought of the show.

The kind of cult following that MTV still enjoys — albeit more for drama-filled shows like "The Hills" than for new musicians — is what keeps them intact, experts say.

"I didn't think it was tremendously exciting, and the days of the lesbian kiss and Howard Stern coming down from the roof are hard to reinvent," said Ronn Torossian, president and CEO of 5W Public Relations, who has worked with celebrities like Diddy, Pamela Anderson and Snoop Dogg.

"It's tremendously sexy — just not the sexiest, but people are always going to watch it, and it's still going to be a scene," said Torossian.

"I think they were successful because, honestly, the MTV Music Awards are really all about trying to get publicity and hype," said Lisa Timmons, who blogged about the show on her site, the Socialitelife.com.

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Well, they have a point. As a company, MTV is a disaster of nearly epic proportions. Anyone who has worked there will tell you an eye-opening story or two.
 
As much as ABC sucks these days, i have to agree with the above.

I grew up during the rise of MTV, and have been witness to it's steady decline into the sad, creatively bankrupt station it is now....
 
Bungaloo0O said:
I grew up during the rise of MTV, and have been witness to it's steady decline into the sad, creatively bankrupt station it is now....

Agreed. They should change their name since they've had practically nothing much to do with music for the past 15 years or so.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
MassiveAttack said:
Well, they have a point. As a company, MTV is a disaster of nearly epic proportions. Anyone who has worked there will tell you an eye-opening story or two.

More info plz!
 

K0NY

Member
Some friends of mine worked there in the early 90's and they said the general consensus was, "Good luck cashing your paycheck...if you actually managed to get one from Mtv." They both were guys who interned for Mtv and were then hired for various off-air roles like warming up the crowds before live shows or assisting producers.

Any company that can't consistantly pay its employees has problems. However, the perks of these jobs, including attending exclusive parties and hanging with celebs, were pretty nice.
 

jooey

The Motorcycle That Wouldn't Slow Down
perryfarrell said:
Aren't music videos a thing from the 80's too?

There's really no use for MTV to back to videos.
there's no use for music videos period.
 

Diablos

Member
MTV is kind of scary. In 1996-1997 the network really started to go downhill, and it was really painful to watch. Since then, they've managed to somehow continue beating the dead horse of absolutely sucking ass. I don't know how they stay on the air. It baffles me.
 

Tobor

Member
fallengorn said:
Give Daxflame his own reality show? :shrug:

The irony is, this is exactly the kind of reactionary mistake they would try, instead of understanding the real dilemma.

Kids are on the internet more than they watch tv these days. When they are watching tv, they're staring at their phones.
 
oo Kosma oo said:
He can start with Britney.

I was thinking that Sunday night, but then I realized that by the time she was off stage, she was whisked away to her sad miserable life. =(

Ah the Halcyon days of Justin and Brit.
 
Tobor said:
The irony is, this is exactly the kind of reactionary mistake they would try, instead of understanding the real dilemma.

Kids are on the internet more than they watch tv these days. When they are watching tv, they're staring at their phones.
And texting messages for MTV gawd how I hate that stupid ass trend
 

fart

Savant
MassiveAttack said:
Well, they have a point. As a company, MTV is a disaster of nearly epic proportions. Anyone who has worked there will tell you an eye-opening story or two.
SPILL

i actually have a friend who started there recently, and i've heard nothing of the sort
 

Nick

Junior Member
I think at this point MTV the channel has a bigger stigma against it than the actual programming it produces. Just ask any teenager these days, or any college student, or anyone still in their 20's, and they'll all say, "Yeah, MTV blows. I hate everything they do." Is that totally fair? For some people, I guess. I find some of the shows pretty entertaining at times, even if it's due to the fact that what I'm watching is so freaking stupid. The Hills, The Real World and Laguna Beach all can hold my interest for an entire episode, because it's about a bunch of rich white folks interacting with each other and getting pedicures. I think TV in general sucks, but even a channel that blatantly caters to teens and college students like MTV can be mindless fun if you're in the mood.
 
Nick said:
I think at this point MTV the channel has a bigger stigma against it than the actual programming it produces. Just ask any teenager these days, or any college student, or anyone still in their 20's, and they'll all say, "Yeah, MTV blows. I hate everything they do." Is that totally fair? For some people, I guess. I find some of the shows pretty entertaining at times, even if it's due to the fact that what I'm watching is so freaking stupid. The Hills, The Real World and Laguna Beach all can hold my interest for an entire episode, because it's about a bunch of rich white folks interacting with each other and getting pedicures. I think TV in general sucks, but even a channel that blatantly caters to teens and college students like MTV can be mindless fun if you're in the mood.


And what does the M in MTV stand for? Certainly not for "a bunch of rich white folks interacting with each other and getting pedicures".


Seriously, a couple of years ago you could switch on your TV and listen to the music on MTV. Today I would kill myself if I had to listen to all those stupid series and commercials.
 

Nick

Junior Member
Klaxon said:
And what does the M in MTV stand for? Certainly not for "a bunch of rich white folks interacting with each other and getting pedicures".


Seriously, a couple of years ago you could switch on your TV and listen to the music on MTV. Today I would kill myself if I had to listen to all those stupid series and commercials.
If all MTV played was "Music" or "Music Videos" like you are saying you want them to, I'm sure you would complain they played too much of it, and the music sucked.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
Nick said:
If all MTV played was "Music" or "Music Videos" like you are saying you want them to, I'm sure you would complain they played too much of it, and the music sucked.
Not if they had a fucking large playlist ranging beyond the typical bullshit that is paraded around as music by the media megacorps
 
Nick said:
If all MTV played was "Music" or "Music Videos" like you are saying you want them to, I'm sure you would complain they played too much of it, and the music sucked.


Nah, if it wouldn't be 50 Cent, Rihanna and Fall Out Boy 24/7 and instead good music, I would be completly satisfied.
 

Kosma

Banned
krypt0nian said:
I was thinking that Sunday night, but then I realized that by the time she was off stage, she was whisked away to her sad miserable life. =(

Ah the Halcyon days of Justin and Brit.

You would think that if he ever really loved her he would try to help her.
 

border

Member
Timberlake's a dumbass -- going back to a music-video format won't turn the network around, it'll only hasten its slide into irrelevance. MTV2 was supposed to be music-only, but that never really panned out how they wanted it to.

Not that I wouldn't mind a music videos station or anything, but listening to people's trite observations about how "MTV doesn't play music anymore!" gets fairly tiresome and grating....particularly given that it's been like this for probably 10 years now, yet folks act like they're imparting some kind of incisive commentary with every whine.
 
border said:
Timberlake's a dumbass -- going back to a music-video format won't turn the network around, it'll only hasten its slide into irrelevance. MTV2 was supposed to be music-only, but that never really panned out how they wanted it to.

Not that I wouldn't mind a music videos station or anything, but listening to people's trite observations about how "MTV doesn't play music anymore!" gets fairly tiresome and grating....particularly given that it's been like this for probably 10 years now, yet folks act like they're imparting some kind of incisive commentary with every whine.

The entire staff of MTV2 was laid off months ago.
 

border

Member
MTV2's commitment to music videos ended years ago anyway. I thought they were doing better with all the comedy and reality shows they were pushing, but I guess not. As they attempt to scale down and essentially give up on the station, chances are they'll actually end up playing a lot more videos.
 
Gattsu25 said:
Not if they had a fucking large playlist ranging beyond the typical bullshit that is paraded around as music by the media megacorps

The show 120 Minutes used to be good.

It was moved to MTV2, but the airings became sporadic and it finally disappeared when even they lost their commitment to music, like border mentioned. Sad.
 

Bloodwake

Member
Seriously, MTV needs to be about the music. Now before we whine about "that's been said a million times" let me explain:

In order to really be interesting again, it can't just be videos. It needs to be a mixture of reality shows DEALING with music, live performances, news, Behind the Music style documentary programs, and other programs. I think MTV could attract viewers as well by maybe having a show that didn't just deal with major labels, a look at indie labels and bands that isn't the same old party rap, pop music, and Fall Out Boy clone bullshit the mainstream has. Give them something different.

MTV SHOULD be about the music, but they need to find a way overall to present the music in a different manner than just videos, something culturally relevant for today, and something that appeals to more audiences than just the mainstream or these stupid people who like watching rich people be retarded.
 
Bloodwake said:
Seriously, MTV needs to be about the music. Now before we whine about "that's been said a million times" let me explain:

In order to really be interesting again, it can't just be videos. It needs to be a mixture of reality shows DEALING with music, live performances, news, Behind the Music style documentary programs, and other programs. I think MTV could attract viewers as well by maybe having a show that didn't just deal with major labels, a look at indie labels and bands that isn't the same old party rap, pop music, and Fall Out Boy clone bullshit the mainstream has. Give them something different.

MTV SHOULD be about the music, but they need to find a way overall to present the music in a different manner than just videos, something culturally relevant for today, and something that appeals to more audiences than just the mainstream or these stupid people who like watching rich people be retarded.

QFMFT
 

Guzim

Member
RoboJ said:
VH1 Classic has been fufilling my desire for a music-only station for a few years now. I can't think of any programs they air regularly that aren't chiefly about music and they do video blocks pretty frequently. They play nothing new, of course, but I can't complain.
I agree. VH1 classic is great. Also, does anyone have The Tube? All they do is play music videos.
 

UltimaKilo

Gold Member
I've thought MTV sucks for years now. Ever since "Road Rules" and all that stupidity emerged years ago. I don't remember the last time I had MTV on.
 
I think everybody knows it sucks.

It's sad because this has been contagious to other MTV's around the world. MTV Europe (and its many branches) used to be really nice before (90's-very early 00's), they actually played music videos and that was pretty much 90% of what the programming was about. Now it's been infected by MTV US and is a wreck of a channel. Most of it it's just about cheap 'original' realities such as pick a girl out of three after meeting their mothers, pick a girl after seeing their bedrooms, pick a girl after checking out what they have in their computers... oh please give us a break >_<

I don't want my MTV, thanks

Gotta love VH1 and VH1 Classic though. I'm afraid VH1 is starting to suffer the 'MTV effect,' but it's not too bad yet.
 

camineet

Banned
I don't need ABC to tell me MTV sucks. I already know that. I think ABC sucks as well.


MTV *was* pretty fun for awhile during the 80s and very early 90s, but once anal-scum like Bevis & Butthead came on, MTV was dead to me.
 
ABC didn't need to rationalize how much MTV sucks ass. It just does. As do all of the artist (I call them this loosely) it represents.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
"[MTV's] biggest problem is that, in 1981, they were the only game in town, there was nothing like them," said Bob Thompson, pop culture guru and professor at Syracuse University.

"But that bird has flown. In the 80s, if you were a kid, MTV was where you went," said Thompson. "Now, kids have Comedy Central, Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network — there are so many other places providing entertainment."
Yes, Mr. Thompson, that's the main reason. No way it could be anything else.
 

Osorio

Member
You know, there's more to music on TV than music videos. Why can't they combine music videos with shows about the music industry? Be like a much better, visual pirate radio or something. Instead there's the most annoying shows on the air on that channel.
 
The only time I liked MTV is when Real World Seattle and Real World San Diego was on. I really liked the Seattle cast for some reason and I knew Jamie from the San Diego cast.
 
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