RoboFu
One of the green rats
Nothing, it's superb and the machines last forever. The problem people have is that everything is soldered on the boards these days with no way to upgrade anything.
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Apple’s M2 Pro and M2 Max are FAST! Mac gaming benchmarks
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Ornoku
Member
Too much to list here. Check out Louis Rossman on youtube from something as simple as a cable being too short that goes from the MB to the screen in a laptop for 3 generations that rips off to mass laptop failure due to "water damage" with laptops that just sat outside in humid weather.
IbizaPocholo
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MikeM
Member
PS6?
Badlucktroll
Member
Sony can’t get PS3 games running like that on PS5?
Unknown Soldier
Member
ARM is the future but Apple isn't, because everything they do is proprietary and locked down. Also Apple doesn't give a shit about gaming and never will.
I own a 13" MacBook Pro M1 BTW, I ran the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark on it and I was like wow that's a nice score for an SoC with a 20W thermal envelope and then I realized nothing else in my Steam library was compatible and I went back to my gaming PC and laptop. This is the average Mac "gamer" experience
I own a 13" MacBook Pro M1 BTW, I ran the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark on it and I was like wow that's a nice score for an SoC with a 20W thermal envelope and then I realized nothing else in my Steam library was compatible and I went back to my gaming PC and laptop. This is the average Mac "gamer" experience
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It's not about Apple and their gaming ecosystem. Or it's prices. It's about Apple showing that ARM architecture can be viable, very fast and very efficient. And industry should take notice.
bluecowboys
Banned
Apple should buy out steam and make all the games available on Mac by leveraging steam OS.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Thank God Steam is a private company. One of the most open platforms being swallowed by the least. No thanks.
twilo99
Member
I think as Micorosft start to leverage ARM more and more we will start getting more games that are optimized for it and Apple will benefit as well.
Tams
Member
And really, Proton, what makes Steam OS viable, has very little to actually do with Valve anyway.
Proton is just zhuzhed up Wine and Wine is mostly developed by a open source advocacy group. Wine also already runs on macOS.
phant0m
Member
The best Mac gaming experience is streaming your game from somewhere else. I love their laptops and will probably never buy a PC/Windows laptop again. I either stream via Steam from my desktop or GeForce Now.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Nothing. It's just a shitpost.
Ornoku
Member
It really isn't though. If you're into apple products that's awesome. But there's a lot of problems with their hardware that you may be uninformed about. Seriously just check out Louis Rossman's youtube.
ARM meaning Apple. Apple at this point is, what, 3 years ahead of anyone else in ARM?
LordOfChaos
Member
I just want Tim Apple to spend a tiny percent of that dragons hoard of cash they're putting into buybacks on funding developers to make native Apple Silicon Metal 3 first class ports.
There's a few now, but there's still only slow movement via natural osmosis
There's a few now, but there's still only slow movement via natural osmosis
ARM is obviously proprietary too. The only difference is they license it out.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I watch Louis Rossman from time to time. His repair videos are pretty good. But him trying to fix broken MacBooks isn't indicative of Apple's engineering being bad any more than that cod3r guy always working on broken PS5's being an indicator of Sony's engineering being bad. His devolution into tax dodger conspiracy theorist has turned him into a complete weirdo.
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Badlucktroll
Member
I can't believe sony "can't" emulate PS3 on PS5. This is literally Cell, being emulated on an X86, which is being emulated to run on ARM.
Dream-Knife
Banned
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the walls growing around all of apples products. I am philosophically opposed to apple as a company.
Valve started the linux push after it appeared microsoft was trying to lock competitors out of windows during the vista era. Even if MS tried to so that today, you can always just throw a linux distro on your machine.
Apple already locks you out of your own hardware via physical drm and a super locked down OS in iOS. Who is to say they can't lock down the mac? They control every component in your computer. It would be pretty easy, the hardest part would be locking zsh/bash down. They're probably going to prevent you from using different shells soon for "security".
How well do games run through wine on the ARM chips? I assume they have it working by now right?
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Not anymore lately. Qualcomm seems to have decided they want to start trying recently.
Qualcomm already ahead of Apple in mobile GPU performance and catching up fast in CPU performance even though ARM reference cores are kinda shit compared to the custom cores in Apple Silicon. A desktop focused version of the architecture in the SD8G2 with more prime cores and a larger GPU cluster would be one hell of a desktop SoC.
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Fahdis
Member
Basically a gimped Steam Library and an Amazing Cloud Service with a gimped Library. Why would you need Apple if its just a screen you need?
Davevil
Member
Better on an overpriced HW
Proton has very much to do with Valve, they’ve been one of the main contributors to it and upstream Wine along with CodeWeavers and have been financing the DXVK developer along with contributions from their own staff for years.
Wine runs on MacOS, but without Vulkan and with MoltenVK far behind compatibility is massively behind what you can get on Linux.
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How well does Proton run on these M1/M2 Macs?
It doesn't.
Tams
Member
I can't find any mention of Valve being fundamental contributors to Wine.
Valve has updating Wine upstream and funding CodeWeavers since 2016, that's easily found.
Codeweavers even have a couple of blog posts breaking down how much o Proton goes upstream:
a-year-since-protons-launch
How Proton helped improve Wine 4.2
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Tams
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As far as I can tell, Valve are not the main source of contributions to Wine. Most of it is packaging Wine with other software in a user-friendly package. The only really major contribution they seem to have made is funding and helping the sole developer of DXVK.
The changes being submitted for consideration for use upstream are a licence requirement. Not that Valve don't want to help, but they don't have a choice if they want to use Wine.
I'm not saying Valve have done nothing, but I do think their contribution is grossly overblown. They also aren't the only game in town with Proton, with Lutris being the most notable other 'package' for running Windows programs.
Submitting changes upstream is not a license requirement, nothing in th GNU lesser license says that. Not sure where you are getting that from, I'm going to need a quote on the LGPL license agreement that enforces that. But you are completely wrong on that, Valve has 0 obligation to do that, the only obligation they have is to keep Proton in the LGPL license.
I never said they are the main source, I said they are ONE of the main contributors both financially and submissions, the main source is CodeWeavers which have been contracted by Valve since 2016 and also works on Proton, while also hosting and maintaining the Wine project and their commercial version of it, CrossOver. You can easily see that in the blog posts above.
Lutris isn't the same as Proton, Lutris is just a wizard, it then needs a runner and that runner is either Wine or, yes, Proton. I think you fundamentally don't know what Proton/Wine is or even does.
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cartman414
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Would like to see some 95 W K tier processors to size up against Intel/AMD.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Apple screwed up majorly with the A16 GPU and had to just run it back with the A15 version basically. Rare mistake from their engineers.
https://www.xda-developers.com/apple-canceled-next-gen-gpu-a16-bionic/
Really the entire lineup of iphones this year was pretty lame. I hope they come out swinging this year.
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LordOfChaos
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This should be a much more interesting year. That HW accelerated RT next gen GPU architecture, PLUS getting a fab shrink to 3nm and being the leading partner for that all at once, where the prior plan would have launched the new GPU on 5nm and then shrank to 3nm. So the iPhone 15 Pro should get a far bigger gain with both advances crossed over in one generation, but that's easy to say when the 14 Pro gained very little except "50% more bandwidth to the GPU" which didn't show up much. More exciting when that shows up on the mac with M3.
Alas the regular 15 models will just get the 14 Pro chip I'm sure, also USB 2.0 transfer speeds
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
The only thing preventing my from getting a new Mac is the software I use for work is proprietary and only available on Windows. Otherwise I'd pull the trigger on a new MacBook and be done with it since I don't care about PC gaming the slightest.
Drell
Member
I swear this whole forum is filled with people wanting GAFAM to buy everything, thanks god that while Gaben is alive, Steam will stay out of the stock market and only owned by him so that none of these big corporation can buy it yet.
littlepooch21
Member
I have the base model Mac Mini M1 and even with the 8gb ram and 256gb SSD I haven't really had any issues. If I have any super large files I just use my external hard drive. Haven't seen a "ram" limitation at all for my uses. Web browser, music, some downloading/server, etc.
bluecowboys
Banned
Get over it, buyouts are natural part of business and if you don't like capitalism you can go back to Russia.
Fahdis
Member
No, he has the right idea.
Del_X
Member
Performance is great. If Apple wanted to, they could take what they have in the Mac Mini, beef it up a smidge, and just make that a full fledged console. They'd need to put a team together that could help studios support ports and probably also buy a couple studios. AAA gaming hardware is already solved for them, mostly.
do these M series core perform similar to Intel Laptop cpu cores? obviously if I do decide to get into MAC I want to start small and maybe if I like it I will go for Mac Studio when it is upgraded with M2 series.
Drell
Member
LOL, that "american" way of life. Be like us or go back to Russia. I'm not against acquisitions, but when it's only GAFAM, fuck them. And as for Steam, as I've already said it's here to stay, at least as long as Gaben owns it.
bluecowboys
Banned
Time to move back to Russia, I will make sure to send Vladimir Putin your information. As for Steam, it will be purchased down the road one way or another.
Drell
Member
Then back to Texas cowboy. Yeeaah!
Unknown Soldier
Member
I have an M1 MacBook Pro in addition to my Windows PC's which are on 11 and both Windows and MacOS have things which annoy me. I'm been on both sides of the fence and the grass isn't greener on either side.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Try linux, or spend more to get 16/1tb.