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[Trojita]

https://www.fhtimes.com/news/local_...cle_760f4c22-0b0b-11ea-9bd6-7f67adb22ebb.html

The 24-year-old son and friends of a local business woman are struggling to learn her status after she was detained upon deplaning in August in Shanghai, China.
Sue Jiang, a massage therapist and owner of Asian Natural Healing, 16751 E. Parkview Ave., and her son, Dawei (David), flew to China to attend the funeral of Jiang’s father.
When they landed Aug. 29 in Shanghai, Jiang was escorted off the plane, the son said.

“Someone came onto the plane before anyone got off and took us to a station surrounded by windows. My Mom showed her American passport. They took her phone,” he wrote in an email.

Jiang was traveling on her U.S. passport under her legal name of Shiping Peterson.

Dawei said his mother inquired where they were taking her, only to be told they would tell her later. She is reportedly confined to Shanghai Detention Center.

Located about 20 miles outside the city, the facility houses serious domestic criminals and foreigners suspected of infractions.

After a couple of weeks with no information, Dawei learned that his mother was being held for a “crime of provocation.” He returned to Fountain Hills.

Congressman David Schweikert has been contacted and asked to intervene with the State Department on Jiang’s behalf.

Schweikert said his office is “following procedure” and would not comment further about the case.

The U.S. embassy could only confirm she is "Physically okay"

 

[off duty ninja]

If there is one thing that I can't stand, foreign relations be damned, is an American being illegally detained or kidnapped and us doing nothing. I know it is unrealistic to go storming in to take them back but that desire is just ingrained in me. It's partly because I would hope for the same if it were me in that situation but I also believe in no man left behind. Of course, putting money and/or "national interests" above human lives has always rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And the establishment media will continue to damage control everything horrendous out of China, when push comes to shove.

 

[Night.Ninja]

If there is one thing that I can't stand, foreign relations be damned, is an American being illegally detained or kidnapped and us doing nothing. I know it is unrealistic to go storming in to take them back but that desire is just ingrained in me. It's partly because I would hope for the same if it were me in that situation but I also believe in no man left behind. Of course, putting money and/or "national interests" above human lives has always rubbed me the wrong way.

they never should have left the great land of the U S OF A

 

[off duty ninja]

they never should have left the great land of the U S OF A

While I agree that people often choose to put themselves in bad situations and should be held accountable for that, I wouldn't put returning to your home country for your father's funeral as one of those things typically.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

And the establishment media will continue to damage control everything horrendous out of China, when push comes to shove.

huh?

 

[off duty ninja]

huh?

What he is saying is that the MSM is busy with more important things like transphobes, Trump tweets and impeachment so they don't have time to bother with the trivial story of a Chinese-American citizen returning to China and being held against their will. I hope that helps, Dr.!

 

[DeepEnigma]

What he is saying is that the MSM is busy with more important things like transphobes, Trump tweets and impeachment so they don't have time to bother with the trivial story of a Chinese-American citizen returning to China and being held against their will. I hope that helps, Dr.!

Add to the fact they promote sound bites from establishment pawns like Biden, saying "China is not a threat"... etc., etc..

 

[Trojita]

huh?

A lot of media publications have been using words to describe the protestors the same way the Chinese government does, like they are reading from a script.

 

[DeepEnigma]

A lot of media publications have been using words to describe the protestors the same way the Chinese government does, like they are reading from a script.

And you have candidates like Yang, talking about global citizen surveillance straight out of China's playbook, and nobody bats an eye.

 

[Trojita]

And you have candidates like Yang, talking about global citizen surveillance straight out of China's playbook, and nobody bats an eye.

I missed this. What did he say?

 

[Punished Miku]

I feel like it's more dangerous to go if you're Chinese, American-Chinese, have Chinese relatives, or have any ties to the government. This is the nightmare obviously. Canadians were also detained, but they work in government and it's seen as retaliation for recent high profile arrests of Chinese businessmen in Canada.

I wonder what the stance is with connecting flights? Even when I was flying to Tokyo, we connected in Beijing. Pretty sure they can still detain you no matter what.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I missed this. What did he say?

I am still looking it up. I remember he wanted some kind of credit point system, and saw something pop up about surveillance the other day. I will get back to you and hope I was not misremembering who said it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I feel like it's more dangerous to go if you're Chinese, American-Chinese, have Chinese relatives, or have any ties to the government. This is the nightmare obviously. Canadians were also detained, but they work in government and it's seen as retaliation for recent high profile arrests of Chinese businessmen in Canada.

I wonder what the stance is with connecting flights? Even when I was flying to Tokyo, we connected in Beijing. Pretty sure they can still detain you no matter what.

From a small sample size of friends who have gone to China for business (all white guys), none of them have had any issue. In fact, they all loved it. The only thing they have complained about is the travel, where you fly into an airport and then the office or building they have to go to is literally 3 hours away by car or train. Other than that, it's been smooth sailing.

Another friend went there for a wedding, and again no issues.

 

[Punished Miku]

From a small sample size of friends who have gone to China for business (all white guys), none of them have had any issue. In fact, they all loved it. The only thing they have complained about is the travel, where you fly into an airport and then the office or building they have to go to is literally 3 hours away by car or train.

Other than that, it's been smooth sailing.

Yeah, I mean millions go every year. Still scary if you're in that 0.01% that gets stuck in an authoritarian hellhole that has secret concentration camps. But travel anywhere has risk I guess.

 

[Kenpachii]

its a communist dictator hellhole in china, they can cull you the next day without reason. U are nothing but a sack of meat towards them.

Could very well she said something "bad" about china on twitter or facebook once. And gets culled now for it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah, I mean millions go every year. Still scary if you're in that 0.01% that gets stuck in an authoritarian hellhole that has secret concentration camps. But travel anywhere has risk I guess.

Even thought the Chinese gov can do some shady things, I don't think they are dumb enough to create a shit storm by imprisoning a random US person just for the hell of it.

I bet there's something weird in the story we don't know about.

Now in terms of doing sketchy stuff to their own citizens, I can see that happening way more.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

its a communist dictator hellhole in china, they can cull you the next day without reason. U are nothing but a a sack of meat towards them.

Could very well she said something "bad" about china on twitter or facebook once. And gets culled now for it.

If she was white, she probably would be left alone. She isn't an American in their eyes.

 

[Kenpachii]

If she was white, she probably would be left alone. She isn't an American in their eyes.

Shit like this always happens with turkish netherlands in turkey. U say something bad in netherlands about turkey or there jesus uh prophet over there u get culled the moment u set foot on shore in there country. And they know you will put your foot in there country because u got family there its just a matter of time.

Why does china do this?

To create fear and censorship overboard so nobody with chinese connections will ever criticize china even remotely.

 

[Blade2.0]

This is bullshit, but can our White house really get up in arms about unlawful detainment

 

[Durask]

Does she have dual citizenship?
If you have dual citizenship and are arrested in the country of your other citizenship, you are SOL. US Dept of State will not do anything.

For example, let's say you have both US and Russian citizenship, show up in Russia and get conscripted into the army, the US will say this is your problem, you are supposed to renounce all other citizenships.

 

[Punished Miku]

Does she have dual citizenship?
If you have dual citizenship and are arrested in the country of your other citizenship, you are SOL. US Dept of State will not do anything.

For example, let's say you have both US and Russian citizenship, show up in Russia and get conscripted into the army, the US will say this is your problem, you are supposed to renounce all other citizenships.

"Jiang has lived in the United States for about 11 years. She received training in acupuncture and medicine at the university in Beijing, China. It has been customary for her to return every summer to visit her parents. "

Doesn't really confirm it, but likely born in China.

 

[off duty ninja]

This is bullshit, but can our White house really get up in arms about unlawful detainment

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Does she have dual citizenship?
If you have dual citizenship and are arrested in the country of your other citizenship, you are SOL. US Dept of State will not do anything.

For example, let's say you have both US and Russian citizenship, show up in Russia and get conscripted into the army, the US will say this is your problem, you are supposed to renounce all other citizenships.

I don't believe this is true, actually. Especially the part about encouraging people to renounce other citizenships. Do you have anything to back this up?

 

[Kenpachii]

It's also impossible, because china will simple not let you renounce it if they want to push influence in other country's through those citizens. Nothing US can do about it.

 

[Dice]

Communist hellhole brainwashes you into defending them and thinking they aren't that bad... until you're on the disappear list. Standard evil communist empire bullshit and in due time the world will learn the cost of feeding the monster for decades. If I could figure out a way to boycott Chinese products besides effectively becoming amish, I would.

 

[pramod]

She probably had a Huawei phone and was sending Winnie the Pooh pics to her friends over Wechat.

 

[-Arcadia-]

This is bullshit, but can our White house really get up in arms about unlawful detainment

Imagine rushing so much to deliver your Trump-bashing hot take, that you don’t realize that there’s an extreme difference between someone with a proper passport, and someone who illegally hopped a fence.

 

[Blade2.0]

Imagine rushing so much to deliver your Trump-bashing hot take, that you don’t realize that there’s an extreme difference between someone with a proper passport, and someone who illegally hopped a fence.

America has detained US citizens.

Border Patrol Detained a 9-Year-Old American Girl on Her Way to School for 32 Hours

It's another case of a U.S. citizen being held by federal law enforcement agencies despite having the proper paperwork.

www.gq.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/

But you might have known that if you paid attention.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

China is a dystopian nightmare, it should be treated by normal US citizens like NK. Enter at your own risk unless you have a high enough profile that they don't dare disappear you.

 

[ManaByte]

What would happen if you flew into China wearing a Winnie the Pooh T-shirt?

 

[DeepEnigma]

What would happen if you flew into China wearing a Winnie the Pooh T-shirt?

You forfeit your organs?

 

[Blade2.0]

I lived in China for 9 years, but I'm white. I did notice it getting more and more censored as time went on. So i left this year.

 

[-Arcadia-]

America has detained US citizens.

Border Patrol Detained a 9-Year-Old American Girl on Her Way to School for 32 Hours

It's another case of a U.S. citizen being held by federal law enforcement agencies despite having the proper paperwork.

www.gq.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/

But you might have known that if you paid attention.

Oh wow. 32 hours, probably over some justifiable concern. Totally a good reason to compare to, and downplay a dystopian nightmare to feed your TDS.

As for the second example:

CBP and ICE said in a joint statement Wednesday that Galicia provided “conflicting reports regarding status of citizenship after being apprehended by U.S. Border Patrol and transferred into Immigration and Customs Enforcement Custody.”

“Situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify,” the statement said. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, the individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation.”

The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, Galan said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Washington Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

Justifiable security concerns are totes the same, right? The U.S. is a dystopia! Biden hellllp!

 

[Durask]

I don't believe this is true, actually. Especially the part about encouraging people to renounce other citizenships. Do you have anything to back this up?

Well, starting with the citizenship oath:

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America | USCIS

Oath "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignt

www.uscis.gov

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America"

Dual Nationality

travel.state.gov

The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

 

[Facism]

I'm guessing the free re-education was too good to pass up

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

A lot of media publications have been using words to describe the protestors the same way the Chinese government does, like they are reading from a script.

Maybe things are different here in Canada (they usually aren't), but China is hardly a media darling. Not that I would ever defend China, but it just seems like an odd thing to say when the impression we get of China is overwhelmingly negative.

What he is saying is that the MSM is busy with more important things like transphobes, Trump tweets and impeachment so they don't have time to bother with the trivial story of a Chinese-American citizen returning to China and being held against their will. I hope that helps, Dr.!

Didn't help at all, actually.

 

[Trojita]

Oh wow. 32 hours, probably over some justifiable concern. Totally a good reason to compare to, and downplay a dystopian nightmare to feed your TDS.

If this is the same story I remember from before, the produced ID given to the border agents looked like a different person.

Edit: Found the picture. You be the judge.

 

[off duty ninja]

Maybe things are different here in Canada (they usually aren't), but China is hardly a media darling. Not that I would ever defend China, but it just seems like an odd thing to say when the impression we get of China is overwhelmingly negative.



Didn't help at all, actually.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

If this is the same story I remember from before, the produced ID given to the border agents looked like a different person.

Edit: Found the picture. You be the judge.

Looks similar enough to me. My daughter's passport still has a photo of her when she was around 6 months old. Three years later, she obviously looks completely different.

 

[Trojita]

Looks similar enough to me. My daughter's passport still has a photo of her when she was around 6 months old. Three years later, she obviously looks completely different.

Ehh. I see a very long chin in the I.D. picture as well as a different nose.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Ehh. I see a very long chin in the I.D. picture as well as a different nose.

The shape of her face looks extremely similar to me, and any differences could easily be accounted for with a couple of years of growth as a child.

 

[Thaedolus]

Ehh. I see a very long chin in the I.D. picture as well as a different nose.

It absolutely passes for the same girl with her hair pulled back and some aging.