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Comparing PS5 output to PS4
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ValiantInstance
Gold Member
I benefitted more than most because I was pretty much PC exclusive last generation, so I had a lot to catch up on. The PS4 and the Xbone were out of date when they were announced. The death of my Xbox friends list gave me no reason to buy a console.
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alabtrosMyster
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1 - You don't know what games people play and at what quality settings, I assure you that if you use DLSS to lower the internal resolution and are reasonable with the graphics settings these mid to low end GPUs will deliver well above 60fps in a lot of modern titles.
2 - for GTA VI the clueless person would be more likely to say things like "i don't know why the game feels slower than other games" or something along those lines, some will add reference to the great graphics as a possible reason.
And I'm sorry for your son, you may want to have him checked.
alabtrosMyster
Member
And remasters of remakes.
Sohurmk833
Member
Both suck but PS5 sucks worse.
Last good Sony generation was PS3.
Last good Sony generation was PS3.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Many PC gamers would laugh at you for calling 60fps having standards.
It's all relative. I enjoyed RDR2 and a lot of 30fps games on my Switch.
begotten
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Fake
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Durin
Member
It's been a decline each generation after the PS2 in output.
PS3 at least recovered a bit in its second half, but the overall trend towards more first-party Sony games needing to be big budget blockbusters hurt the brand over time.
It was already happening on the PS4, but dev-time + budget scaled worse on PS5...along with live-service fixation wasting resources. Sony just lacks the game variety they used to have in prior generations.
PS3 at least recovered a bit in its second half, but the overall trend towards more first-party Sony games needing to be big budget blockbusters hurt the brand over time.
It was already happening on the PS4, but dev-time + budget scaled worse on PS5...along with live-service fixation wasting resources. Sony just lacks the game variety they used to have in prior generations.
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Not a chance in hell will be luck if they stick to the 1 tent pole single player game per year. I don't even think Sony will publish that many Japanese third party and if they do it will be timed exclusive.
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Omnipunctual Godot
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I think it's a lot of the same problems Xbox is (at least) acknowledging now: out-of-control bureaucracy, overreliance on ridiculously bloated AAA, and throwing millions at games nobody wants. When you look at every generation, Sony's output has gotten smaller and smaller. Given what we've seen with the PS5, I can't imagine how pathetic it will be with the PS6.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Until Dawn 2 is scheduled for next year.
SportsFan581
Member
This is the entire industry for the most part. That old meme with R*'s output throughout the generations comes to mind.
Something has to change because the games take too long to make and, as a result, cost too much to make. Maybe AI (as a tool, not a worker replacement) can help a little, but management changes are probably needed as well.
Something has to change because the games take too long to make and, as a result, cost too much to make. Maybe AI (as a tool, not a worker replacement) can help a little, but management changes are probably needed as well.
existensmaximum
Member
PS5 will get Intergalactic as well, let's see how that one turns out.
But of course the PS4 output crushes the PS5 output, it was infinitely better in every way.
But of course the PS4 output crushes the PS5 output, it was infinitely better in every way.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Robb
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Radical_3d
Member
PS4/One was a pathetic generation. The public loved it because they gobbled that boring GoW reboot, the shitty Druckmann output and open world dinosaur game as if they were starving. And they probably were, since they came from the glorious PS360 peak days. The fact that this generation is even worse is no reason to look back with rose tinted lens to that dark age of gaming.
crackajack
Member
Destruction Allstars is missing.
Concord existed for a while.
And Foamstars might have been an underperforming title from Square but I would assume its exclusivity was paid by Sony.
PS4 output cycles is probably what game development should be going forward, with advancing automation tools maybe even shorter. People hardly noticed whatever PS5 brought to the table other than better loading times. Needing many months or years more feels just not right and can't be healthy for the cost structure.
Concord existed for a while.
And Foamstars might have been an underperforming title from Square but I would assume its exclusivity was paid by Sony.
PS4 output cycles is probably what game development should be going forward, with advancing automation tools maybe even shorter. People hardly noticed whatever PS5 brought to the table other than better loading times. Needing many months or years more feels just not right and can't be healthy for the cost structure.
Bojji
Member
You mean, milking of consumers?
Most people play F2P shit, they don't give a shit about exclsusivity
cireza
Member
Of course. But some people seem to be ignorant of the world we currently live in.
alabtrosMyster
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All Sony 1st party studios will ship their next titles either on the PS7 or PS8.
alabtrosMyster
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Their platform is big enough, and many f2p titles just print money on it... Sony just collect the platform owner fee and laugh all the way to the bank.
alabtrosMyster
Member
You are dead inside
Johnny Concrete
Member
I bought more than half of those 'exclusives' on PS4.
Didn't buy anything on PS5 (except Helldivers 2 and Marathon, but they are available on all platforms)
Didn't buy anything on PS5 (except Helldivers 2 and Marathon, but they are available on all platforms)
Radical_3d
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alabtrosMyster
Member
TBH I only had a PS4 and never cared for the xbone, the gen offered me a good amount of games. The performance, graphics (quality and resolution) was pretty neat compared to what the PS360 offered. No fuss, just great times.
On day one I went home with Killzone:SF and Battlefield 4. I knew right away that I would have a great time with this machine, the upgrade was obvious and significant, + the indies allowed the PS4 to receive a constant drip of good games in the early months (rarely counted in the exclusives list, unless they're on xbox). I'll note two that I still play from time to time: Rezogun and Axiom Verge.
The rest is history.
On the xbox side I had the impression that the most important things going on were the politics, business models, etc.
The PS5 is a different beast, while the hardware is great, I can't say any game on it marked me, they have no Uncharted 4 (pick your favorite exclusive game), not even a Drive Club moment where you see what this machine can really do. I liked the Sackboy game, but not enough to finish it, GoW Ragnarok was good, but it never hit the greatness of GoW 1 to 3, so I'll never replay it, and it remains a PS4 game at heart... so on and so forth.
So, I've played mostly on PC since 2020.
troubledApplicant
Neo Member
What exactly was good? ... 18 to 27 fps ...Vaseline???blurry image and sub 720p????
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Returnal and Saros are both top drawer, Death Stranding 2 was exceptional. Demons' remake was good too.
Got to be honest, I'm not particularly missing Naughty Dog's particular style of game. I've had the Horizon and GoW sequel sat on my pile of shame for years... The reality I suppose is that I don't need that many games per year, but I can't say I've ever felt stuck for something to entertain me in a very long time.
Got to be honest, I'm not particularly missing Naughty Dog's particular style of game. I've had the Horizon and GoW sequel sat on my pile of shame for years... The reality I suppose is that I don't need that many games per year, but I can't say I've ever felt stuck for something to entertain me in a very long time.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
The PS4 generation was both bigger and also more diverse. Take away cross-gen games (which are basically PS4 games) and things like the multiple remasters and the PS5 side falls even further short.
| PS4 Generation (2013–2020) | PS5 Generation (2020–Present) |
|---|---|
| Knack | Astro's Playroom |
| Killzone Shadow Fall | Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales* |
| Driveclub | Sackboy: A Big Adventure* |
| Infamous: Second Son | Demon's Souls (Remake) |
| The Order: 1886 | Destruction AllStars |
| Bloodborne | Returnal |
| Until Dawn | Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart |
| Helldivers | Horizon Forbidden West* |
| Everybody's Gone to the Rapture | Gran Turismo 7* |
| Tearaway Unfolded | Horizon Call of the Mountain (PS VR2) |
| The Last Guardian | God of War Ragnarök* |
| Ratchet & Clank (2016) | Marvel's Spider-Man 2 |
| Uncharted 4: A Thief's End | Stellar Blade |
| Alienation | Astro Bot |
| Hardware: Rivals | LEGO Horizon Adventures* |
| Shadow of the Beast | Freedom Wars Remastered |
| Horizon Zero Dawn | Days Gone Remastered |
| Gravity Rush 2 | The Last of Us Complete |
| Nioh | Lost Soul Aside |
| Everybody's Golf | Marathon |
| Uncharted: The Lost Legacy | Ghost of Yōtei |
| Knack II | Saros |
| Gran Turismo Sport | Marvel Tokon: Fighting Souls |
| Hidden Agenda | Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet |
| Matterfall | Marvel's Wolverine |
| The Inpatient (PS VR) | |
| Bravo Team (PS VR) | |
| Moss (PS VR) | |
| God of War | |
| Detroit: Become Human | |
| Firewall: Zero Hour (PS VR) | |
| Astro Bot Rescue Mission (PS VR) | |
| Deracine (PS VR) | |
| Marvel's Spider-Man | |
| Everybody's Golf VR | |
| Concrete Genie | |
| Death Stranding | |
| Dreams | |
| Predator: Hunting Grounds | |
| Ghost of Tsushima | |
| The Last of Us Part II |
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For PS5, take away cross plat games, remasters and sequels. So true PS5 exclusive games and new IPs. And the list would be cut in half.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
Asked ye olde GPT to produce a list without remasters/VR etc and this is the output,
It still added the cross-gen games only in the PS5 list, lol, so that's at least 5 more games that should also go in the PS4 column.
| PS4 Generation (2013–2020) | PS5 Generation (2020–Present) |
|---|---|
| Knack | Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales* |
| Killzone Shadow Fall | Sackboy: A Big Adventure* |
| Driveclub | Destruction AllStars |
| Infamous: Second Son | Returnal |
| The Order: 1886 | Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart |
| Bloodborne | Horizon Forbidden West* |
| Until Dawn | Gran Turismo 7* |
| Helldivers | God of War Ragnarök* |
| Everybody's Gone to the Rapture | Marvel's Spider-Man 2 |
| Tearaway Unfolded | Stellar Blade |
| The Last Guardian | Astro Bot |
| Alienation | LEGO Horizon Adventures* |
| Uncharted 4: A Thief's End | Lost Soul Aside |
| Hardware: Rivals | Marathon |
| Horizon Zero Dawn | Ghost of Yōtei |
| Gravity Rush 2 | Saros |
| Nioh | Marvel Tōkon: Fighting Souls |
| Everybody's Golf | Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet |
| Uncharted: The Lost Legacy | Marvel's Wolverine |
| Knack II | |
| Hidden Agenda | |
| Matterfall | |
| God of War | |
| Detroit: Become Human | |
| Marvel's Spider-Man | |
| Concrete Genie | |
| Death Stranding | |
| Dreams | |
| Predator: Hunting Grounds | |
| Ghost of Tsushima | |
| The Last of Us Part II * = Released on both PS4 and PS5. |
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
PS4 cross gen and sequels crossed out. I even left PS5 only games which had ports. What's left are true PS5 new IPs.
| PS4 Generation (2013–2020) | PS5 Generation (2020–Present) |
|---|---|
| Knack | |
| Killzone Shadow Fall | |
| Driveclub | Destruction AllStars. New 100% PS5 exclusive IP |
| Infamous: Second Son | Returnal. New PS5 IP, and also PC |
| The Order: 1886 | |
| Bloodborne | |
| Until Dawn | |
| Helldivers | |
| Everybody's Gone to the Rapture | |
| Tearaway Unfolded | Stellar Blade New PS5 IP, and also PC and Switch 2 |
| The Last Guardian | |
| Alienation | LEGO Horizon Adventures*. New PS5 IP, and also PC and Switch 1 |
| Uncharted 4: A Thief's End | Lost Soul Aside. New PS5 IP, and also PC |
| Hardware: Rivals | Marathon. New PS5 IP (not counting the old 1990s games), and also PC and Xbox |
| Horizon Zero Dawn | |
| Gravity Rush 2 | Saros. New 100% PS5 exclusive IP |
| Nioh | Marvel Tōkon: Fighting Souls. New PS5 IP, and also PC |
| Everybody's Golf | Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet. New 100% PS5 exclusive IP |
| Uncharted: The Lost Legacy | Marvel's Wolverine. New 100% PS5 exclusive IP |
| Knack II | |
| Hidden Agenda | |
| Matterfall | |
| God of War | |
| Detroit: Become Human | |
| Marvel's Spider-Man | |
| Concrete Genie | |
| Death Stranding | |
| Dreams | |
| Predator: Hunting Grounds | |
| Ghost of Tsushima | |
| The Last of Us Part II * = Released on both PS4 and PS5. |
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Crunchbox
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Ps5 wins by a mile. Also ps4 never had xbox games. Ill put those under sony output because the only reason they are on ps5 is because of sony strategic ass whooping of microsoft xbox brand this gen. Ps5 library is just superior all around with sony output Not to mention the standard of a game and QoL is just overall greater with 60 fps and other options you can do. Playstation is the king and the more people try to rag on it wrongfully the stronger it gets like a video game perk. The money maywether/ lebron james of platforms. Money is up, game sales are up, prices are up and it continues to dominate like a juggernaut.
Ghost of tsushima ps4 83 metactitic
Ghost of yotei ps5 86 metacritic
Spiderman ps4 87 metacritic
Spiderman 2 Ps5 90 metacritic
Little big planet3 ps4 79 metacritic
Astro playroom Ps5 83 metacritic
Knack 2 Ps4 69 metacritic
Returnal. Ps5 85 metacritic
Gravity rush 2. PS4 80 metacritic
Astrobot. Ps5 94 metacritic goty
I can do this all day but the avengers need me. Doomsday is coming for the xbox.
Ps this was just 1 percent of the facts that i have. A lot of you need more training just to get to e rank. Im already S.
Ghost of tsushima ps4 83 metactitic
Ghost of yotei ps5 86 metacritic
Spiderman ps4 87 metacritic
Spiderman 2 Ps5 90 metacritic
Little big planet3 ps4 79 metacritic
Astro playroom Ps5 83 metacritic
Knack 2 Ps4 69 metacritic
Returnal. Ps5 85 metacritic
Gravity rush 2. PS4 80 metacritic
Astrobot. Ps5 94 metacritic goty
I can do this all day but the avengers need me. Doomsday is coming for the xbox.
Ps this was just 1 percent of the facts that i have. A lot of you need more training just to get to e rank. Im already S.
kevboard
Gold Member
uh... Astro Bot was not a new IP lol... Astro Bot was the 5th game in the series, 3 of which released on PS4, and the 4th was the free pack-in game of the PS5.
1) Playroom, 2) Playroom VR, 3) Astro Bot Rescue Mission, 4) Astro's Playroom, 5) Astro Bot
edit: and The Last Guardian was technically made by GenDesign, which are basically Team ICO after they left Sony. so it should probably have an asterisk after it, as Sony basically lost that dev team during development.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Youre right. My mistake. I didit check all the games, but assumed and forgot about the older Astrobot games, since every time someone brings up the series they only bring up the latest Astrobot game and not the older ones.
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Sohurmk833
Member
That was just the tech level at that time. Just shows that 4k/60fps don't make a good game.
kevboard
Gold Member
there's 2 types of people,
the ones that act like the old games didn't exist, and the ones that will still tell you that Astro Bot Rrscue Mission is thr best VR game ever and that the PSVR was worth it for that game alone lol
btw. isn't it crazy that Remaster champions Sony didn't release a PSVR2 remaster of it? like... not only would it give PSVR2 users something to play, but it would also ride on the popularity wave of Astro's Playroom and Astro Bot.
bundle in a Playroom VR remaster with some new minigames, and you'd have a decent package.
but nope, they just let it die right after launch.
Sony released fewer PSVR2 games than Nintendo releases Virtual Boy games
absolutely insane.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
What do you think most people are playing now on their PS5's?