You have a strong hatred for women so at least you have something in common?
Its always funny watching white fragility in action in all forms. Even the hypothetical scenario that would never happen that I mentioned has your blood boiling.
Some of y’all sure hate women. Those 5 mins they took command of a fight might have been the worst your 4 inche cocks have ever gone thru.
Movie sucked. Felt like sausage fest all the way thru. Was just a boring 3 hour eulogy up until the end.
There’s no reason to vote republican. I mean unless you just got to have that off shore tax haven of yours stay tax free or something. Whatever you perceive on the internet as “SJW” or “political correctness” of other people you really don’t know that can alter your view so drastically then you’re either very privileged, incredibly stupid, or should seek treatment.
Instead of worrying about other people. Just vote on issues that actually matter to you.
If you don’t have any issues you’re worried about, maybe don’t vote at all? If you don’t understand what your vote will do, then don’t do anything above your pay grade. You don’t have to vote, you can stay home and yell racial slurs to your gamer buds on the internet.
Oh no what will I do without my sexualized 14 year olds in bikinis? Not be a pedophile I guess.
Honestly I’m super liberal and even I got banned for having an opinions regardless of knowledge on subject.
part of being a decent human being is respecting others beliefs.
Are you blind?and Jill objectively looks worse. She went from being asian to some random american woman.
Are you blind?
Why do all Marxist supports never actually admit when their ideology has been tried and failed? They always say "but it wasn't what Marxist intended!" Funny how Democracies don't have this qualification.Marxism is not Soviet Union era Communism. Hence, no need to discuss ‘bread lines’.
I flat-out told you that I didn't play the game because of this article but this is all I needed to convince me to get the game, however my point still stands on the other social justice developers and urinalists in this industry.These aren't social justice developers. They are outright critical of Marx, Engels, Stalin, and many others. Did you even play the game or do research into it before immediately assuming the worst about them? It clearly looks like you haven't.
I have played the game. To the point where I have beaten it 3 times now with wildly different characters. One that supports moralism, one that hates everyone and just wants to get shit faced and party, and one that supports communism. I am familiar with their writing, comedy, and have the basic concept of critical thinking - something a number of people here seem to have forgotten when they entered this thread.
Kotaku is full of incompetents. One of their leading contributors/editors literally tried to call a grown female character with breasts that would make Dolly Parton blush as something only pedophiles would enjoy.
Are they equal opposites?
These aren't social justice developers. They are outright critical of Marx, Engels, Stalin, and many others. Did you even play the game or do research into it before immediately assuming the worst about them? It clearly looks like you haven't.
I have played the game. To the point where I have beaten it 3 times now with wildly different characters. One that supports moralism, one that hates everyone and just wants to get shit faced and party, and one that supports communism. I am familiar with their writing, comedy, and have the basic concept of critical thinking - something a number of people here seem to have forgotten when they entered this thread.
Kotaku is full of incompetents. One of their leading contributors/editors literally tried to call a grown female character with breasts that would make Dolly Parton blush as something only pedophiles would enjoy.
I very much appreciate your clarification. I trusted "gaf reporting" and because I'm too busy these days and was skimming the story it didn't even register with me that it was Kotaku (what a shitshow..) that did the "translation" so-to-speak.
I flat-out told you that I didn't play the game because of this article but this is all I needed to convince me to get the game, however my point still stands on the other social justice developers and urinalists in this industry.
Looks like this is Kotaku's fault.
ZA/UM is a cultural movement uniting artists, writers, entrepreneurs and socialists, established 2009.
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Again, the developers themselves ARE socialists and they did shout out to Engels and Marx. That doesn't make them SJW's nor does it make them not what they are. They are just at the same time able to poke fun at their own ideology. (They went after every political direction as well).
But they are in fact self-described socialists before they even were game developers. For the thousandenst time I put the same quote out they wrote themselves for their artstation profile a few years ago:
So that shoutout may as well have been real. This thread for once isn't better than Kotaku.
So there are three facts here:
A: ZA/UM is a developer who's employee's political direction tends to be socialism/communism.
B: Disco Elysium isn't skewed either way and goes after every political opinion. This doesn't mean the developers themselves have suddenly none. They do, but they are clearly able to poke fun at themselves.
C: Disco Elysium is still a fucking awesome game that deserves a buy and isn't SJW in the least.
A bunch of people get communists to voice characters in their game, give a shout to to marx and kotaku says to read The Communist Manifesto. What other impression am I supposed to get from this?
the neogaf of old would have applauded this and banned anyone critical. What happened?
So there are three facts here:
A: ZA/UM is a developer who's employee's political direction tends to be socialism/communism.
B: Disco Elysium isn't skewed either way and goes after every political opinion. This doesn't mean the developers themselves have suddenly none. They do, but they are clearly able to poke fun at themselves.
C: Disco Elysium is still a fucking awesome game that deserves a buy and isn't SJW in the least.
It's not. I'm not sure what cherry-picked screenshots you've seen on RE but there are NPCs in DE that speak well of communists and ones that don't. Just like in real life, I guess. It's unfortunate that many people in this thread clearly have not played the game yet they speak as they have just by seeing some screenshots.Hmm I have seen examples of dialogue on era and they clearly aren't equally critical of every option. While being communist isn't usual good it's typically least bad choice offered by game.
I think you got it twisted, i bet lot of the posters don't have anything to defend about socialism and are only triggered by the typical Brap incendiary post. I know i am, because it sounds fucking stupid even as an opinion, so it's pretty inviting to call out how wrong OP is despite my political stance.The circular firing squad closed until the site itself was fired upon. They left en masse, the site owner, who is actually a really good guy, decided to go in a brand new direction and rebuild, and this is the result of the last three years.
It’s a wonderful forum.
Occasionally, someone pokes the proverbial hornet’s nest too hard, like with this topic insulting their god, and all the cockroaches spill out of hiding, complete with personal insults, specious arguments, and slander, but without moderation specifically protecting them, they screech, get put in their place, and flame out.
I think you got it twisted, i bet lot of the posters don't have anything to defend about socialism and are only triggered by the typical Brap incendiary post. I know i am, because it sounds fucking stupid even as an opinion, so it's pretty inviting to call out how wrong OP is despite my political stance.
Mm-hmm. Curious to know what the problem with the original post is.
Okay, everything factual and checks out. Added opinion of “cringe”, but unironically supporting Marxism is pretty fucking cringe. (1)
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Brap expresses incredulity that the developers would actually support communism (2), moving on to criticize listening to/including members of the Chapo Trap House podcast in the game.
Again, this is all factual and observable.(3) The Game Awards are documented on countless YouTube videos, and the voice cast is similarly well documented.
OK! So they don't actually support Marx or Engels, and were in fact criticizing them? Then this is a stupid thread. Really, I don't care enough about this game to do that kind of research
I very much appreciate your clarification. I trusted "gaf reporting" and because I'm too busy these days and was skimming the story it didn't even register with me that it was Kotaku (what a shitshow..) that did the "translation" so-to-speak.
Highlighted section (1) is entirely a value judgement on your part. (2) is baseless extrapolation - one can perfectly pay homage to Marx and Engels without necessarily defending whatever it is that guys call "Communism" as, I'm sorry to say, they're pretty mainstream thinkers being quoted in hundreds of PhDs dissertations as I type this and (3) is simply not true, given that there's nothing factual about the statement that political ideology X, Y or Z is "cringe". This is, again, entirely a value judgement on your part.
Highlighted section (1) is entirely a value judgement on your part.
(2) is baseless extrapolation - one can perfectly pay homage to Marx and Engels without necessarily defending whatever it is that guys call "Communism" as, I'm sorry to say, they're pretty mainstream thinkers being quoted in hundreds of PhDs dissertations as I type this
and (3) is simply not true, given that there's nothing factual about the statement that political ideology X, Y or Z is "cringe". This is, again, entirely a value judgement on your part.
In fact, the OP specifically at one point analogizes that with "making a game about nazis so i can thank hitler in my acceptance speech."
If you don't think that comparing a mid-1840s German scholar who never so much as thew a rock through a window with a genocidal tyrant that exterminated close to 10 million people isn't incendiary... Not sure what I can say to you.
Exactly. It is. I think you and your ideology are pretty cringe, down to crying in the ban thread when one of your ilk got torpedoed for slander. Problem?
Only to people with worldviews based on a house of cards, and extreme cognitive dissonance.
You must be kidding right? read the original OP again, there is the emotionally charged language that you are looking for. I might not align with the devs political stance, but OP is just throwing shit asking for a reaction, deliberately making fun of the devs and not just sharing the news in "a normal, inoffensive post".Mm-hmm. Curious to know what the problem with the original post is.
Here’s the title:
Okay, everything factual and checks out. Added opinion of “cringe”, but unironically supporting Marxism is pretty fucking cringe.
Let’s look at the post:
Brap expresses incredulity that the developers would actually support communism, moving on to criticize listening to/including members of the Chapo Trap House podcast in the game.
Again, this is all factual and observable. The Game Awards are documented on countless YouTube videos, and the voice cast is similarly well documented.
Brap then goes on to harshly criticize Marxism/Communism, where we finally get a lengthy opinion, concluding with a joke that the developers should share profits.
Seems legitimate to me? Supporting those things is not popular, and for good reason. Likewise, he’s generally right about the typical racial/status make-up of Marxism supporters, and the joke hits the hypocrisy of how these people leech off an existing system to push their misguided beliefs.
So, what exactly is the problem?
What is so “fucking stupid”, “wrong”, and ”incendiary” here?
I can’t help but feel that your emotionally-charged language gives you away here, in contrast to the relatively normal, inoffensive post. Either the OP said something that rustled your jimmies to a pretty unprecedented level, or you have an axe to grind with the OP, from elsewhere, and can’t pick your battles.
Either way, it doesn’t reflect well on you.
ResetEra is way more welcoming than this place. They're like family to me.The circular firing squad closed until the site itself was fired upon. They left en masse, the site owner, who is actually a really good guy, decided to go in a brand new direction and rebuild, and this is the result of the last three years.
It’s a wonderful forum.
Occasionally, someone pokes the proverbial hornet’s nest too hard, like with this topic insulting their god, and all the cockroaches spill out of hiding, complete with personal insults, specious arguments, and slander, but without moderation specifically protecting them, they screech, get put in their place, and flame out.
Hmm I have seen examples of dialogue on era and they clearly aren't equally critical of every option. While being communist isn't usual good it's typically least bad choice offered by game.
Archae being a card-carrying Marxist?
Not at all and you know that. So why the blatant mischaracterization of what was posted?
Not at all and you know that. So why the blatant mischaracterization of what was posted?
Frankly, I don’t find that I know much about you anymore.
It kind of seems like you spend a lot of time arguing against stuff like what we see on Reee... only to whip around and support it at weird times.
If you don’t want to be called a Marxist, a pretty reasonable request, maybe you shouldn’t hang around them, make their points, and cheerlead them with gifs?
Oh, no. You're *communist* now. The membership card (it's blood red) is coming in the mail.
You don't know me at all. You never did. I think this is the second or third time you tried to insinuate you did previously and it is really creepy, mate.
I don't support REE, nor have I shown anything in this thread that would suggest such. I have been actively fighting against ResetEra-like outrage mongering that your BFF Brap has posted here and in the past.
The gif was in support to the clear dismantling of your post in the part that I had quoted. That is not supporting, "hanging around", or "cheer leading" Marxists.
Your continued ignorance and blatant strawmanning is getting old, Arcadia.
Maybe use the brain which you have been shown to have in other threads instead of defending the low effort outrage thread by your friend.
Really? Because you have the damnest habit of going full reee, along with the other inmates. The Outer Worlds thread, where people were trying to talk to you logically, and get a sensible argument out of you, was a particularly interesting one.
His penchant for low effort outrage threads is straight out of their playbook. As are a few in this thread that immediately jumped to it as gospel and took his word despite not playing the game, doing basic research into it, and immediately wrote of the game and its developers. Reminds me of the time Era did that with Persona 5, Catherine Full Body, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, etc.Also, Brap is like Resetera. Both sides, amirite?
“Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion“
You sure do crib straight from the playbook.
“Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion“
You mean the other low effort outrage thread created by your BFF? The one where you and others tried so desperately to assume there was some sort of conspiracy in the ugly female character models while ignoring both the male character models (which were just as ugly) and the long history of terrible character modeling the studio has done?
The very same one where you accused me of having an agenda because I didn't buy into that conspiracy theory and remained steadfast in my opinion that every model in the game was terribly done?
I was not "reeing" in that thread. I gave my opinion, one that you refused to accept and devolved into low effort insults (as you had also done when responding to Zefah and Geki-D in that thread) and accusations of hidden agendas.
His penchant for low effort outrage threads is straight out of their playbook. As are a few in this thread that immediately jumped to it as gospel and took his word despite not playing the game, doing basic research into it, and immediately wrote of the game and its developers. Reminds me of the time Era did that with Persona 5, Catherine Full Body, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, etc.
You have a tendency to project your own actions onto others like this. When you want to have an actual discussion I would love to join in. However, all you have done in this thread has made false accusations and blatant strawman arguments. Do better.
Game dev did something retarded. Local internet man makes thread making fun of them. The End. How is that like retardera? Did I say I was boycotting them? Did I tell others not to buy their game?His penchant for low effort outrage threads is straight out of their playbook.
Game dev did something retarded. Local internet man makes thread making fun of them. The End. How is that like retardera? Did I say I was boycotting them? Did I tell others not to buy their game?
That’s certainly an interpretation. Remember when I showed you attractive male models from the game, and you continued to freak out? That’s why I wondered what exactly was going on with you. I was under the impression that you were an intelligent, reasonable poster.
Also, interesting bringing up the guy that just got banned for a month, for disingenuous arguing. Really got me there.
It really isn’t. Looking at how your group reacted to the OP here, I would ascribe the blame for thread conflicts to massive overreactions from all of you, from the start.
Rich, from the man who interrupted an actual discussion, to post a no-effort gif, and continues to do the very things he’s describing.
Game dev did something retarded. Local internet man makes thread making fun of them. The End. How is that like retardera? Did I say I was boycotting them? Did I tell others not to buy their game?
Game Dev didn't do anything "retarded". Your continued attempts at trying to stoke faux outrage is.
Could we not?Game dev did something retarded. Local internet man makes thread making fun of them. The End. How is that like retardera? Did I say I was boycotting them? Did I tell others not to buy their game?
Giving a shoutout to Marx isn't retarded? Lmao ok. Continue with your little outrage fan fiction over there, Claus.Game Dev didn't do anything "retarded". Your continued attempts at trying to stoke faux outrage is.
Fucking lmao. Better than the political garbage you shit all over the forum non stop.You'd really be better off not responding to the dude. He basically just shitposts bitter and hateful garbage non-stop. The sheer negativity resonates with certain people, I guess.