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Do you think smartphones are a net positive or negative on society?

What are your thoughts on Smartphones?

  • Positive

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • Negative

    Votes: 19 46.3%
  • Mixed

    Votes: 16 39.0%

  • Total voters
    41

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
Obviously, there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube and they are extremely useful. Getting in my car and everything automatically syncing up with Appleplay, spotify, waze, etc is a game changer. Very easy to connect with people at all times. The wealth of human knowledge in your pocket. It’s all cool as hell.

But the downsides are massive as well. Look at any crowd of people and a huge percentage are looking at their phones. Social media has people doing very dumb things for attention. The rise of modern grifters. Gaming is fucked up now because traditional games have taken cues from mobile shit.

I kinda miss when the lines weren’t so blurred between the internet and irl. In the early 00s we sat down at a computer to use the internet and rolled the dice on some limewire porn like gentlemen. Now everyone is staring at a phone for literally hours a day.
 

22:22:22

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
It's like a hammer. The same hammer will give different results depending on who's wielding it.

I personally think it's a positive but the current youth (4/5/6/Etc) have to get some serious education about all the facets/implications and an objective education regarding the psycho/social effects of this tool.
 

Tams

Member
You can't remove social networks from all this though. I see it as having been inevitable with the Internet.

At first, we had newsgroups, with only really scientists, the hardcore enthusiasts. There were a few fruitcakes there, but not in great numbers. Then came IRC groups and the number and variety of people widened a bit. Then forums and instant messengers, but it was still mostly enthusiasts and the at least somewhat tech savvy. The craziness was still contained (even if terrorists were now using it too).

Then the great unwashed masses (well, rather washed in comparison) and it was fun for a few years... as it rotted and became what we have now.
 

HoodWinked

Member
it's like the discovery nuclear energy.

you get nuclear power
but you also get nuclear weapons

since we're barely utilizing nuclear power, all we get are the negatives.

this is the same thing with smartphones. its capable of being useful but its used far more for deteriorating society. era of flip phones and sidekicks was limited to texting, small games and calls was the peak. instead now we have ADHD low quality video content, microtransaction games built for endless engagement, and less actual communication and interaction.
 
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AGRacing

Member
Obviously, there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube and they are extremely useful. Getting in my car and everything automatically syncing up with Appleplay, spotify, waze, etc is a game changer. Very easy to connect with people at all times. The wealth of human knowledge in your pocket. It’s all cool as hell.

But the downsides are massive as well. Look at any crowd of people and a huge percentage are looking at their phones. Social media has people doing very dumb things for attention. The rise of modern grifters. Gaming is fucked up now because traditional games have taken cues from mobile shit.

I kinda miss when the lines weren’t so blurred between the internet and irl. In the early 00s we sat down at a computer to use the internet and rolled the dice on some limewire porn like gentlemen. Now everyone is staring at a phone for literally hours a day.
Net negative. No contest.
 

Mistake

Member
Positive for sure. Think of it this way, computers and internet were a luxury until not too long ago. People in poorer countries had limited access to information, language barriers, or ways to improve themselves, but now that gap is closing because of smartphones. Sure things might not be as fun with all the normies online, and cultural change seems to be going at light speed, but I'm sure it will all even out
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
It's a positive. I can not only get news and weather instantly, but I can call my family members and friends if there's an emergency. I can look up when a movie is coming if I'm not home on my computer. I can do a quick calculation if I can't do it in my head and don't have pen and paper. I can A LOT while I'm on the go including listening to music and podcasts, watch a TV show while I'm waiting at the doctor's office, play a mobile game to pass the time while waiting for something, etc.

And y'all seem to have forgotten... Social media began WAY before the advent of smartphones. Shoot, Myspace came about in the early '00s.
 

wondermega

Member
I swear we’ve already had this exact thread.

Yeah it is a hot topic, and one that deserves to be considered and reconsidered often, especially as the landscape continuously changes due to the fallout from its presence.

I am pushing 50. I spent the entirety of my adolescence without any kind of smart device/personal communication on-hand, never mind the Internet or modern social media of any sort. At the tail end of high school, medium-core nerds like myself may have been starting to investigate things like bulletin board services and the usenet and such.

In college, with a computer-centric major I started getting a lot more access to an online lifestyle (meaning, I got an email address and started spending time at a terminal, in a lab, etc). Late in college the graphical WWW was suddenly just "there," the media picked up on it and you started seeing the proliferation of web URLs in marketing everywhere. You could watch (very small, simple) videos on a PC, you could download MP3s and rom files, you could find 20 second clips of unbelievably grainy porn. "Normal"-ish people (meaning, some college students) started messaging on ICQ and even better, AIM. You started hearing about looking for jobs online, looking for apartments online, buying plane tix online. Typing addresses into Mapquest in order to print out directions to get somewhere that you didn't know (this.. was.. magical). I met a girl in a singles chatroom (5 minutes to refresh the page!) and EVERYBODY made fun of me. Meeting a girl on the Internet was taboo as fuck!

Moved far away to LA, finally got a cellphone since it made my life a billion times easier (finding a job, finding a place to live, etc). It spent the majority of its time in my glove box, I couldn't even send text messages on that thing. I remember the first time I saw someone send a text message internationally, it completely blew my mind.

A few years past all of this, the bomb went off. Friendster gave way to myspace, which gave way to Facebook. Android and iPhones suddenly became the hot item that everybody needed to feel like a fully functioning person in many aspects of society. You could be a slow adopter, but as more time passed if you weren't "connected" you were basically an alien, isolated, unreachable. All these things coalesced and morphed a tiny bit more, and now this has absolutely become the rule of the land. And I can easily say that we are still in a very early phase of changing/being changed by all of this.

Is it good, bad? It is both. It is progress, change, disruption. It feels a little insane to look back on the past, say, 15 years and chart what havok has been wrought across the spectrum (both good and bad). For me, a person steadily getting older, it's fascinating to have grown up alongside so much of this modern tech and seen it profoundly mutate and flourish since I was already a young adult active in the world. Now as I am getting up there I often grapple with these questions "is it good for us, does this make life better/happier? What does it mean for the future?" Impossible to say. Kind of... paralyzing, at times very depressing. There's still a lot of things to be excited about, but we've also peeled back a bunch of layers of our society with all of this and it's been both empowering and tremendously worrying (there's a lot of ripe hatred, confusion, all the usual -ism's which are alive and well).

So, I don't know. I wrote this long post because I wanted to really point out how that there was a time when all of this was just so exciting and it felt like the world was becoming more accessible, closer in such a good way. But as we've been seeing this progression there's also been a steady undercurrent of the darkness as well and ESPECIALLY with the big moves in society the last.. 6 or 7 years, or so, there's been a steady amount of things that are just moment-to-moment difficult to deal with. I suppose every generation has their things. For crying out loud we have people complaining about being depressed because they say something unsettling on reddit and how it is the end of their world, but our parents and grandparents had to grapple with literally living during world war times. So it is all relative, I guess.

I can keep ranting (clearly!) as this is a major topic that comes up and affects my life all the time. The point is I am so happy to have grown up "at the end" of the pre-smart phone and social media era, and been able to acclimate to it when I was a little older. I was happier as a young, innocent person than where I am at now and though the future is still EXTREMELY exciting, I feel like we've all been given a real taste of what to expect which might not be so wonderful. And so, I am wary. You should be as well.
 

Raonak

Banned
Positive.

personally I love technology and enjoy seeing the evolution of the world/society.

For every bad usage of phones, theres a lot more good usage. Even the most basic stuff like keeping up with friends, or navigating to a new place, or translating something.
 

Virex

Banned
A big negative. It did make some things easier like when you are in an emergency, but overall smartphones have been bad for humanity as a whole
 
Negative on present phones due to social media. The older mobile phones like the basic Nokia 3310 were great at keeping in touch on the go and less intrusive. Most people I see nowadays just walk around with their faces buried in their phone, completely oblivious to there surroundings.

Powell Kuczynski nailed it.

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Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Well, I have serious dopamine regulation problems and I’m sitting here on GAF aimlessly looking for something to distract me from real world obligations and I need to listen to YouTube at night in order to be able to fall asleep so

Yeah, it’s probably an overall negative. But only because I don’t have the self control to regulate my usage.
 

SJRB

Gold Member
Don't get it twisted: infinite knowledge in the palm of your hands is a god-like power.

The fact that a large portion of the population decides to squander their braincells on tiktok and acting like a fucking retard doesn't mean the technology isn't mindblowing. Literally transcendent. It provides even the most uneducated normie with a neverending stream of information.

Pearls to the swines.
 

22:22:22

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Negative on present phones due to social media. The older mobile phones like the basic Nokia 3310 were great at keeping in touch on the go and less intrusive. Most people I see nowadays just walk around with their faces buried in their phone, completely oblivious to there surroundings.

Powell Kuczynski nailed it.

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Yeah but that's more due to the psycho/social/economic philosophy behind those apps and knowingly preying on an uneducated mass usage.

With an IMHO well planned agenda. This current phenomena has been long and thoroughly researched and finaly step by step implemented to reach the point where at right now.

It's easy to say it's detrimental but that's by design.

Approached objectively in combination with a different goal/outset/approach/mindset as it were, including education this tool would have an immense positive impact on society in it's whole

But here we come full circle.

Sigh
 

Tams

Member
I love technology, especially consumer technology, but it has become all pervasive.

On one hand, I just used it to navigate back to my hotel. On the other, I had to actively stop myself not using it while I was having dinner in a restaurant.

And today I ordered some new glasses (from too much computer use - well it hasn't been proven, but feels like it), for which I need the premium lenses. The top two tiers both had blue light blocking and no option to not have it. I think that says quite a lot about where our society has gone.
 

bender

What time is it?
Seems like a random take to me. Lots and lots and lots of tech where the positive outweighs the negative.

Can you elaborate on this because it's blowing my mind pondering this statement

Beyond the overarching problem of destroying the planet, I'd argue that technology has lowered the intelligence of the average human and has errored their social competency.
 

Grildon Tundy

Gold Member
Whoa, what's with all the negativity around social media? It's incredibly effective at enforcing top-down social consensus and, even if that fails, stirring discontent amongst the masses.

Oh, you guys aren't in the top 0.1% socio-/politico-/economic-ally? Haha yeah, I could see why you might not like it then.
 
Objectively net positive productivity wise - we literally have libraries in our pockets, knowledge people had to work for days for to obtain not even 100 years ago that we can access in seconds.
Psychologically/human experience wise - net negative, mostly due to social media imo
 
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Outlier

Member
Negative, because most don't use them for productive purposes.
Cellphones are MUCH worse than home computers, because you can take them anywhere.
 

Toons

Member
Absolutely a positive. I can make friends on the other side of the world. I can contact family at a moments notice and see their face. I can pay my bills from anywhere in the country. I can get a flight booked whilst driving to the airport, or have a ride scheduled for me when I land. Police, fireman and Heathcare workers csn notify people in the neighborhood at a moments notice of anything.

If you're complaining about what people DO with them, then you're complaining about people, not the tool itself.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Great for:

- Updated sports scores on the fly
- Google maps
- Texting friends and fam
- Phoning at any time
- Shazam songs you want to know who sings it
- Taking pics. Who buys and lugs around a camera anymore?

Just about the rest of the stuff, who cares. I'm old school for a lot of stuff. I prefer sitting in front of a computer to do a lot of things. And I definitely prefer shopping for stuff in person. I only order things online a few times a year and most of it is for hard to find Xmas stuff for family members. The only mobile games I have ever played are Nokia brick phone Snakes, and one time I tried a friends phone playing a Gears of War knockoff using touch screen controls (looked good, played like shit).
 
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wondermega

Member
As an addendum to my comments above (growing up alongside modern tech/witnessing the rise of social media & smartphones as a young adult) - I will say that the "net positive/negative" thing is really difficult to judge for many of us. In my case, I have seen Before and then After. In the case of many reading this, those in their 20a and younger - this stuff has always been here in some significant form by now, much like how I grew up in a time when it was common for many Americans to have a few TVs in their house, maybe a couple of cars. All of that stuff was MASSIVELY life-changing, and those who experienced the before/after of that (my grandparents generation) no doubt had profound thoughts on if those technologies were net positive or negative, whereas I couldn't conceive of growing up in a world without either television or cars.

I suppose my point is, it is really difficult to gauge whether this stuff is good or bad, it is all about your perception and experience, of course. I think an easy catch-all is to look at the tech (and change it has wrought) from a distance, as much as one can - and consider the longer term impacts they will have on the world & the people who live in it. Communication, accessibility, connection, availability and sharing of knowledge across a massive spectrum is all clearly very progressive, even in spite of the chaos that unleashes with it all. Those of us experiencing these changes in our lifetime will have been affected (even disturbed, sometimes even traumatized) by it all. But the people in the world of the future will only benefit from it all, hopefully. This is part of the foundation of the world they will inherit, and hopefully a lot of the, err, teething issues will have been worked out in relatively short order. As usual, only time will tell.
 

Johnny2Bad

Member
I'm a boomer and I like them. It's the idiots glued to their screens while driving that I hate.

My best friend lives on the other side of the country. I have free Canada wide long distance and all's he wants to do is text. :messenger_confounded:
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I forgot ... Smartphones are a great positive for the Deaf community. I can speak to deaf folks all over the country. WhatsApp, Google Meet, FaceTime... They help me with further communication. And making calls to hearing people... I can use P3 or other video relay services to make calls when I can't use my Cochlear Implant. Wherever I am!
 
Net positive.

The sole fact you can call or text (plus everything else you can do) anyone at any time anywhere is an insane ability to have.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
They've done a good job of shutting up a majority of conspiracy theory loonies. Little hard to convince someone aliens and ghosts are around us, when we've all got hi-def camera phones, and yet zero footage.

Also, we get far better coverage of war zones, and countries with appalling human rights. Smartphones provide a lot of important evidence and communication, so in that regard they are a great boon.
 

Hugare

Member
A positive.

It’s Social Networks that are the problem.
Yeah, this

Your cons (and mine) are all internet/social media related

I'm 100% certain that the world would be a better place without social media. But as you mentioned, you can put the toothpaste back in the tube.
 
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