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Dogs as smart as a two year old kid

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The canine IQ test results are in: Even the average dog has the mental abilities of a 2-year-old child.

The finding is based on a language development test, revealing average dogs can learn 165 words (similar to a 2-year-old child), including signals and gestures, and dogs in the top 20 percent in intelligence can learn 250 words.

And the smartest?

Border collies, poodles, and German shepherds, in that order, says Stanley Coren
, a canine expert and professor emeritus at the University of British Columbia. Those breeds have been created recently compared with other dog breeds and may be smarter in part because we've trained and bred them to be so, Coren said. The dogs at the top of the pack are on par with a 2.5-year-old.

Better at math and socializing

While dogs ranked with the 2-year-olds in language, they would trump a 3- or 4-year-old in basic arithmetic, Coren found. In terms of social smarts, our drooling furballs fare even better.

"The social life of dogs is much more complex, much more like human teenagers at that stage, interested in who is moving up in the pack and who is sleeping with who and that sort of thing," Coren told LiveScience.

Coren, who has written more than a half-dozen books on dogs and dog behavior, will present an overview of various studies on dog smarts at the American Psychological Association's annual meeting in Toronto.

"We all want insight into how our furry companions think, and we want to understand the silly, quirky and apparently irrational behaviors [that] Lassie or Rover demonstrate," Coren said. "Their stunning flashes of brilliance and creativity are reminders that they may not be Einsteins but are sure closer to humans than we thought."

Math test

To get inside the noggin of man's best friend, scientists are modifying tests for dogs that were originally developed to measure skills in children.

Here's one: In an arithmetic test, dogs watch as one treat and then another treat are lowered down behind a screen. When the screen gets lifted, the dogs, if they get arithmetic (1+1=2), will expect to see two treats. (For toddlers, other objects would be used.)

But say the scientist swipes one of the treats, or adds another so the end result is one, or three treats, respectively. "Now we're giving him the wrong equation which is 1+1=1, or 1+1=3," Coren said. Sure enough, studies show the dogs get it. "The dog acts surprised and stares at it for a longer period of time, just like a human kid would," he said.

These studies suggest dogs have a basic understanding of arithmetic, and they can count to four or five.


Basic emotions

Other studies Coren notes have found that dogs show spatial problem-solving skills. For instance, they can locate valued items, such as treats, find better routes in the environment, such as the fastest way to a favorite chair, and figure out how to operate latches and simple machines.

Like human toddlers, dogs also show some basic emotions, such as happiness, anger and disgust. But more complex emotions, such as guilt, are not in a dog's toolbox. (What humans once thought was guilt was found to be doggy fear, Coren noted.)

And while dogs know whether they're being treated fairly, they don't grasp the concept of equity. Coren recalls a study in which dogs get a treat for "giving a paw."

When one dog gets a treat and the other doesn't, the unrewarded dog stops performing the trick and avoids making eye contact with the trainer. But if one dog, say, gets rewarded with a juicy steak while the other snags a measly piece of bread, on average the dogs don't care about the inequality of the treats.

Top dogs

To find out which dogs had the top school smarts, Coren collected data from more than 200 dog obedience judges from the United States and Canada.

He found the top dogs, in order of their doggy IQ are:

1.Border collies
2.Poodles
3.German shepherds
4.Golden retrievers
5.Dobermans
6.Shetland sheepdogs
7.Labrador retrievers
At the bottom of the intelligence barrel, Coren would include many of the hounds, such as the bassett hound and the Afghan hound, along with the bulldog, beagle and basenji (a hunting dog).

"It's important to note that these breeds which don't do as well tend to be considerably older breeds," he said. "They were developed when the task of a hound was to find something by smell or sight." These dogs might fare better on tests of so-called instinctive intelligence, which measure how well dogs do what they are bred to do.

"The dogs that are the brightest dogs in terms of school learning ability tend to be the dogs that are much more recently developed," Coren said. He added that there's a "high probability that we've been breeding dogs so they're more responsive to human beings and human signals." So the most recently bred dogs would be more human-friendly and rank higher on school smarts.

Many of these smarty-pants are also the most popular pets. "We like dogs that understand us," Coren said.

We also love the beagle, which made it to the top 10 list of most popular dog breeds in 2008 by the American Kennel Club. That's because they are so sweet and socialable, Coren said. "Sometimes people love the dumb blonde," Coren said.

And sometimes the dim-wits make better pets. While a smart dog will figure out everything you want it to know, your super pet will also learn everything it can get away with, Coren warns

http://www.livescience.com/animals/090808-smart-dogs.html
 

louis89

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Here's one: In an arithmetic test, dogs watch as one treat and then another treat are lowered down behind a screen. When the screen gets lifted, the dogs, if they get arithmetic (1+1=2), will expect to see two treats. (For toddlers, other objects would be used.)

But say the scientist swipes one of the treats, or adds another so the end result is one, or three treats, respectively. "Now we're giving him the wrong equation which is 1+1=1, or 1+1=3," Coren said. Sure enough, studies show the dogs get it. "The dog acts surprised and stares at it for a longer period of time, just like a human kid would," he said.
That doesn't mean anything. How do they know they're not just noticing that the size of the pile of treats is smaller than they have predicted? How do they know, when it "stares at it for a longer period of time", that it knows exactly how many there should be there and it's not just noticing that there are more/fewer than there should be?
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
smh

This whole dog vs cat thing is futile. Both of them are linkin park, compared to crows.
I'm getting a crow as a pet.
 

Tntnnbltn

Member
louis89 said:
That doesn't mean anything. How do they know they're not just noticing that the size of the pile of treats is smaller than they have predicted? How do they know, when they "stare at it for a longer period of time", that it knows exactly how many there should be there and it's not just noticing that there are more/fewer than there should be?
I think that's the point.
 
Jibril said:
smh

This whole dog vs cat thing is futile. Both of them are linkin park, compared to crows.
I'm getting a crow as a pet.
That's not how it works. A crow keeps you as a pet. If you're lucky it'll feed you.
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
Ignis Fatuus said:
That's not how it works. A crow keeps you as a pet. If you're lucky it'll feed you.

It already does. I'm just scared to say it on the internet, because it will kill me if people find out.
It's lurking gaf now. I can feel it.

:(
 

DrEvil

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sonarrat said:
So can we classify infants as pets and ban them from movie theaters? FFS.

I like the way you think.

I also think, like dogs, people need to license their children, or have licenses to bear children...
 

yuna55

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Oh good. Now we have a new excuse for the parents why we haven't had children yet. :lol

Also explains why our male dog is in a constant state of "terrible twos."
 

Tntnnbltn

Member
Jibril said:
I'm just scared to say it on the internet, because it will kill me if people find out.
It's lurking gaf now. I can feel it.
Just be thankful it hasn't downloaded child porn onto your laptop yet.
 

agrajag

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American Cocker Spaniels would have to be on the absolute bottom of the list. I swear, they're the dumbest, most glutonous beasts I've ever encountered.
 

yuna55

Member
agrajag said:
American Cocker Spaniels would have to be on the absolute bottom of the list. I swear, they're the dumbest, most glutonous beasts I've ever encountered.
Yes, this. Kinda cute but so dumb.
 

Viewt

Member
agrajag said:
American Cocker Spaniels would have to be on the absolute bottom of the list. I swear, they're the dumbest, most glutonous beasts I've ever encountered.
They really are - the cocker I had growing up ran into things, was constantly spacey, etc. But I loved him all the same.
 

yuna55

Member
louis89 said:
It's not really arithmetic, or necessarily even counting then is it?

More like, size/shape recognition
Well it's counting. They're just dropping a few on the floor. Not really a pile of them or anything.

Drop 3, secretly take one away, pull away the screen, and the dogs will keep looking for that third treat.
 

Semblance

shhh Graham I'm still compiling this Radiant map
agrajag said:
American Cocker Spaniels would have to be on the absolute bottom of the list. I swear, they're the dumbest, most glutonous beasts I've ever encountered.

I, too, will have to agree with this. I loved mine, but goddamn. Dumb as shit.
 
Border collies fucking rule. little insane doggy geniuses...

edit: when my border collie went deaf at around the age 13 or 14 my mom taught her a few hand signals for stuff like "walk" "dinner" and a few other things which she picked up on incredibly quickly.
 
There's a guy on GAF with a 10 year old that hides his shit in cupboards, I guess a dog is smarter than that kid too since it waits until it's outside before shitting.
 

Tntnnbltn

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PumpkinPie said:
There's a guy on GAF with a 10 year old that hides his shit in cupboards, I guess a dog is smarter than that kid too since it waits until it's outside before shitting.
Better yet, perhaps it's the dog who is shitting in cupboards and is framing the 10 year old. Now that's intelligence.
 

agrajag

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PumpkinPie said:
There's a guy on GAF with a 10 year old that hides his shit in cupboards, I guess a dog is smarter than that kid too since it waits until it's outside before shitting.

My cats use a litter box, so they're smarter than that kid as well.
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
Tntnnbltn said:
Better yet, perhaps it's the dog who is shitting in cupboards and is framing the 10 year old. Now that's intelligence.
Even better. The crow is forcing the dog to do that, so the entire family is torn apart and ends in a tragic separation.
 
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