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[Bernoulli]

WARNING: Epic Games, Inc. has informed Collective Minds that the Cronus Zen, Cronus Max, and Strike Pack devices are prohibited from being used in Fortnite and Rocket League. All Fortnite and Rocket League users must refrain from using such restricted devices with Fortnite and Rocket League, and any players found using these devices or attempting to bypass these restrictions will be permanently banned from Fortnite and Rocket League.
The strike pack was a good and cheap alternative to Scuf controllers and just plug and play, sucks that it can't be used on Epic game games anymore

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PS5 WIRED STRIKE PACK HORIZON VISTA for Dual Sense™ standard controlle

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[nemiroff]

Good. Every single one of you Cronus users (except those of you with a disability) using this in mp can go fuck yourselves (and obviously also other kinds of cheaters).

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

WARNING: Epic Games, Inc. has informed Collective Minds that the Cronus Zen, Cronus Max, and Strike Pack devices are prohibited from being used in Fortnite and Rocket League. All Fortnite and Rocket League users must refrain from using such restricted devices with Fortnite and Rocket League, and any players found using these devices or attempting to bypass these restrictions will be permanently banned from Fortnite and Rocket League.
The strike pack was a good and cheap alternative to Scuf controllers and just plug and play, sucks that it can't be used on Epic game games anymore

Source:

PS5 WIRED STRIKE PACK HORIZON VISTA for Dual Sense™ standard controlle

THIS PRODUCT IS TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE WITH NO ETA ON AVAILABILITY. VISIT THE STRIKE PACK HORIZON WEBSITE Description The dawning of a new STRIKEPACK experience has reached the horizon. STRIKEPACK HORIZON™ VISTA is our first PS5, app-powered**, four back button controller adapter for...

collectivemindsstore.myshopify.com

What the heck are these things? Are they just controllers with back buttons like the Steam deck and Xbox Elite controller or do they have cheating capabilities?

 

[nemiroff]

What the heck are these things? Are they just controllers with back buttons like the Steam deck and Xbox Elite controller or do they have cheating capabilities?

They are usually loaded with scripts for no recoil and enhanced aim assist abilities.

 

[wvnative]

Good. Every single one of you Cronus users (except those of you with a disability) can go fuck yourselves (and obviously also other kinds of cheaters).

Thanks for remembering people like me who need it.

Never used a game pack. Just simple remapping and cross controller.

 

[acm2000]

What the heck are these things? Are they just controllers with back buttons like the Steam deck and Xbox Elite controller or do they have cheating capabilities?

you can set macros up for the buttons etc so yes, for online games its classed as cheating

 

[twilo99]

Activision should follow their lead

 

[OverHeat]

Good fucking cancer of mp

 

[splattered]

THANK GOD. Ban EVERYONE using this crap!

 

[wvnative]

THANK GOD. Ban EVERYONE using this crap!

No, just the ones using it for unfair advantages.

 

[Bernoulli]

What the heck are these things? Are they just controllers with back buttons like the Steam deck and Xbox Elite controller or do they have cheating capabilities?

Yes i use them as paddles they have a normal mode where it's a back buttons attachement with 4 paddles and Mod mod that you need a subscription for mods like rapid fire but never tried it

 

[Bernoulli]

you can set macros up for the buttons etc so yes, for online games its classed as cheating

Macros like PC? Isn't that with cronus when you plug the keyboard and mouse to appear as controller?

 

[Alebrije]

Multiplayer is a cespol thanks to those devices , hope more.companies would do the same...

Still do not get the mentality of those that use cronus max on multiplayer...basically you are cheating yourself...and spoiling the fun of others.

 

[Warablo]

Idk about controllers but they need to totally band those mouse and keyboards.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

COD needs to start doing this. It's a menace.

It's less of a problem in Battlefield since engagement distances are typically much longer, but there too wouldn't hurt.

 

[willothedog]

How can these be detected as they are transparent to the console as they piggyback/inject into the wired controller connection? Maybe AI can detect patterns of impossible button combos (for a human).

 

[Bernoulli]

Idk about controllers but they need to totally band those mouse and keyboards.

How are they not banned from Call of duty you can't win against them

 

[wvnative]

How can these be detected as they are transparent to the console as they piggyback/inject into the wired controller connection? Maybe AI can detect patterns of impossible button combos (for a human).

that would be the best method since that would avoid punishing those who need it

 

[rodrigolfp]

basically you are cheating yourself

Just like using aim assists.

 

[OverHeat]

Aim assist is for pussy

 

[Bernoulli]

Aim assist is for pussy

You can't aim on console without aim assist, mouse aim is too OP

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Jim Ryan redeemed

 

[OverHeat]

You can't aim on console without aim assist, mouse aim is too OP

Played kill killzone 2? Totally playable without aim assist

 

[nowhat]

you can set macros up for the buttons etc so yes, for online games its classed as cheating

So I'm completely oblivious to this, and I doubt I'll ever be playing Fortnite et al. But out of curiosity, what kind of macros are we talking about? Just a series of button presses, or something involving stick movement as well? And if the latter, how would that work in any given game?

 

[Bernoulli]

Played kill killzone 2? Totally playable without aim assist

It depends on the game, but current multiplayer games need it and everyone has it, you have the option to turn it off
Gyro aim is better but hard to get used too if you played all your life on sticks

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So I'm completely oblivious to this, and I doubt I'll ever be playing Fortnite et al. But out of curiosity, what kind of macros are we talking about? Just a series of button presses, or something involving stick movement as well? And if the latter, how would that work in any given game?

My nephews have used these things for years and actually one weekend they brought their own controllers to my house and I got to see them in action in Call of Duty

One of the paid scripts allowed for the very high powered single shot rifles to be full auto with almost zero recoil as well as turning a pump shotgun to full auto

Plus the aim assist is much stronger

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[Bernoulli]

So I'm completely oblivious to this, and I doubt I'll ever be playing Fortnite et al. But out of curiosity, what kind of macros are we talking about? Just a series of button presses, or something involving stick movement as well? And if the latter, how would that work in any given game?

On Fortnite it's completely useless, i saw gameplay using this and they where completely trash
It might help someone that never played but even a beginner would do better

It's OP on COD because they can Jump Crouch spam and have no recoil on the guns

 

[ManaByte]

How can these be detected as they are transparent to the console as they piggyback/inject into the wired controller connection? Maybe AI can detect patterns of impossible button combos (for a human).

It’s not transparent. It uses software for the macros.

 

[nowhat]

It's OP on COD because they can Jump Crouch spam and have no recoil on the guns

So bear with me - it's grandpa here, just trying to see how you younguns are doing it and what's going on here.

This sound to me like it's a problem with the COD engine instead of the peripheral? Like, shouldn't the engine have some sort of delay between crouching and standing up, so this kind of thing should not be possible? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to figure out what is happening.

 

[splattered]

No, just the ones using it for unfair advantages.

Can you tell the difference?

If not, they all need to be banned.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So bear with me - it's grandpa here, just trying to see how you younguns are doing it and what's going on here.

This sound to me like it's a problem with the COD engine instead of the peripheral? Like, shouldn't the engine have some sort of delay between crouching and standing up, so this kind of thing should not be possible? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to figure out what is happening.

COD tried to ban them in MW2 but tons of videos out there with them working in the new COD

 

[nemiroff]

Just like using aim assists.

That's a notion (the typical non-scientific PC gamer notion), not a fact. The fact is, it's impossible for the majority of normal human beings to have the necessary fine-grained trained motor skills to move a stick with ~10 millimeter max travel with a sub millimeter xy accuracy. With a mouse OTOH, with the right DPI/Sensitivity/Physical space, for most people you actually will have relatively easy access to a lot more fine-grained and faster accuracy. And lo and behold thus aim assist was born to somewhat make up for that difference. The only "controversy" here is how much assist the individual developer put in to make up for it, or not.

 

[Bernoulli]

So bear with me - it's grandpa here, just trying to see how you younguns are doing it and what's going on here.

This sound to me like it's a problem with the COD engine instead of the peripheral? Like, shouldn't the engine have some sort of delay between crouching and standing up, so this kind of thing should not be possible? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to figure out what is hahappening.

Yes it should, Fortnite has that with jumping and crouch fatigue

Why isn't COD doing the same I don't know, but drop shot and jump shot is OP
Recoil control is like aimbot

 

[SenkiDala]

How are they not banned from Call of duty you can't win against them

What it does ? I don't understand I would need a really noob friendly explanation.

 

[nowhat]

Yes it should, Fortnite has that with jumping and crouch fatigue

Why isn't COD doing the same I don't know, but drop shot and jump shot is OP
Recoil control is like aimbot

Alright, thank you, I get how it works. Just a final question - why would anyone do this, apart from the e-peen? I'm assuming in eSports (if it exists with COD, no idea) such devices would be banned.

 

[splattered]

Alright, thank you, I get how it works. Just a final question - why would anyone do this, apart from the e-peen? I'm assuming in eSports (if it exists with COD, no idea) such devices would be banned.

Basically people with no actual skill using devices and software to get kills so they can feel like they are actually good at something.

It's pathetic.

 

[nowhat]

Basically people with no actual skill using devices and software to get kills so they can feel like they are actually good at something.

It's pathetic.

...I don't do online multiplayer. Hell, I may even turn a (offline, single-player) game to easy mode if I'm bored/frustrated (so sue me, Soulslike fans). I guess I don't get it. But thanks for the explanation.

 

[rodrigolfp]

That's a notion (the typical non-scientific PC gamer notion), not a fact. The fact is, it's impossible for the majority of normal human beings to have the necessary fine-grained trained motor skills to move a stick with ~10 millimeter max travel with a sub millimeter xy accuracy. With a mouse OTOH, with the right DPI/Sensitivity/Physical space, for most people you actually will have relatively easy access to a lot more fine-grained and faster accuracy. And lo and behold thus aim assist was born to somewhat make up for that difference. The only "controversy" here is how much assist the individual developer put in to make up for it, or not.

Yes a fact. Even more after gyro assist became a thing. You+your stick sucks to aim? Change to a input method that doesn't suck, which is even an older method for aiming than a stick. A method that makes the game help you to aim is making the game literally fool/cheat you that you are being better at aiming, just like, to a more extreme point, full aimbot cheat.

 

[Bernoulli]

What it does ? I don't understand I would need a really noob friendly explanation.

It takes your mouse and keyboard input and make it look like a normal controller input to the console, mouse aim with aim assist

 

[lh032]

good, this is a console platform, not PC

 

[nemiroff]

Yes a fact.

Nope. And I explained why, but you chose to ignore it to avoid dealing with it.

Again: The assist may be configured unfairly by some developers, idk, but that's beside the point. It's IMPOSSIBLE to get the quick accuracy with a normal controller (without assist) as you get with a mouse under the same relative conditions. FACT.

Disclaimer: I'm a PC gamer and prefer to use m/k in the majority of games, but sometimes controllers for casual SP.


I'm not particularly interested in discussing this in this thread since it's off-topic. But you dragged this shit into the thread, so I thought I had to address it. This will be my last post about it.

Edit: Removed a line where I wasn't sure what you meant.

 

[ManaByte]

This is what they need to do to cheaters:

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nope. And I explained why, but you chose to ignore it to avoid dealing with it.

Again: The assist may be configured unfairly by some developers, idk, but that's beside the point. It's IMPOSSIBLE to get the quick accuracy with a normal controller (without assist) as you get with a mouse under the same relative conditions. FACT.


I'm not particularly interested in discussing this in this thread since it's off-topic. But you dragged this shit into this thread, so I thought I had to address it. This will be my last post about it.

Disclaimer: I'm a PC gamer and prefer to use m/k in the majority of games, but sometimes controllers for casual SP.


Edit: Removed a line where I wasn't sure what you meant.

Even if it was impossible to be like mouse+kb, it doesn't matter because the problem is not be self fooled/cheated in been better than what you really are at aiming, not match m+kb efficiency.

 

[DR3AM]

Why is Sony and MS not doing this on their end? So many cheaters in CoD and Halo

 

[Fabieter]

I wish valve would ban cheating steam accounts permanently and make it impossible to make an alt so cheaters are fucked 4 life.

 

[ChoosableOne]

Oh no, please let me disable crossplay, I don't want to play against console users because there are so many cheaters among them.

 

[hlm666]

Macros like PC? Isn't that with cronus when you plug the keyboard and mouse to appear as controller?

They are using them for macros on controllers aswell and have been for a long while, they are probably used more for gamepad macros than actual keyboard/mouse use these days. Cheating on consoles with these things has been an issue for years. Will be interesting to see how successful epic are with this, you can probably spoof a different hardware id with the firmware on these things these days.

 

[zombrex]

Should just do the good old forever relegate them to the same lobby trick, would frustrate the fuck out of all of them.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

On Fortnite it's completely useless, i saw gameplay using this and they where completely trash
It might help someone that never played but even a beginner would do better

It's OP on COD because they can Jump Crouch spam and have no recoil on the guns

Oh shit, Ive killed a few people in close quarters fights on Apex Legends that did this. If I had known this was a method from using a cronus zen device, I would have reported them. I dont know why I didnt think about it more, because you cant aim and crouch at the same time, unless you back buttons, but that is still difficult to spam while using all of the other buttons.

 

[wvnative]

Can you tell the difference?

If not, they all need to be banned.

Ubisoft has a detection algorithm on R6 siege that is supposed to only punish people clearly using m-kb and aim assist without punishing people just using it for accessibility.

Sadly it doesn't seem to work all that well...so you feeling that way is understandable.


I really REALLY wish someone would make a similar device, with extensive control customization and cross controller support, but without the gamepacks. like reWASD for consoles.