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European Q1 2024 Top 5 By Value Spend | Physical: FC 24#1, FF7R#2, Mario Wonder#3 | Digital: Helldivers 2#1, MW3#2, FC 24#3 | Helldivers 2 1st Overall
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Unknown Soldier
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But GAF told me FF7R2 was underperforming and has only sold 2 million units how can this be??
TheDarkPhantom
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Lol at anyone who believed FFVII only did 2 million, keep the hot takes coming though, it's endlessly amusing 
Mibu no ookami
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I would love to see what Totoki and Hulst are saying and thinking about when it comes to Helldivers 2's success. It appears as if they have a windfall of a major release that was never planned to be a major release. It's going to be so interesting to see how this impacts their quarterly and fiscal year results. We're about a month away from the fiscal year earnings report.
That's completely to be expected with the decline of the Switch and Hogwarts Legacy coming out last February.
That's completely to be expected with the decline of the Switch and Hogwarts Legacy coming out last February.
It's 3 consecutive years for the entire quarter.
Punished Miku
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It beat Oct 2023's $60 2D game Mario Wonder but came behind the $40 viral hit with virtually no marketing.
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Unknown Soldier
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Hogwarts Legacy still charting in the Top 5 is pretty wild. That one is going to pass 30 million sold lifetime
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Regarding the YoY revenue drops in full game software spend, in Q1 2022 we had banger releases with Elden Ring, Horizon FW, GT7, and in 2023 we had Hogwarts Legacy, but also MW2 selling strong and above what MW3 has done in Q1 2024. Also, if I'm not mistaking in one of the recent European sales reports, Chris mentioned that GSD doesn't have sales data for Palword which was another big hit for the quarter. Taking all this into account the drops are really not that bad imo.
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GHG
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You literally said it yourself but yet you continue to mouth froth.
There is no shame in coming behind a game that has taken the gaming scene by storm out of nowhere, just as there was no shame in any game placing behind Palworld in the months prior.
At a time when most consumers are feeling the heat due to a resurgent inflation and overall sales are down it's still performing admirably when compared against it's peers.
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Mibu no ookami
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Punished Miku
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GHG
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Mibu no ookami
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Q1 isn't traditionally a major month for gaming, but many games have been delayed from Q4 to Q1, inflating Q1 results. This is what we're seeing now.
If Spider-Man 2 had been delayed until Q1 and it probably should have been from a technical standpoint, we would have seen the same impact.
yazenov
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The game is like lightning in a bottle with its success. It is also on 2 platforms. At least try to hide your bitter tears.
Att the end of the day, FF7 Rebirth is still a JRPG. What other Jrpgs have mainstream success like FF? I'm waiting.
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yazenov
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The data mentioned that Helldivers 2 is ranked number 1 in terms of both physical and digital. Hopefully, we can get the full rankings of the combined physical + digital. At least the top 5 
Also if we can get the percentage of physical and digital revenue spent for full-pakage games?
Also if we can get the percentage of physical and digital revenue spent for full-pakage games?
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I hope this is the reason but I feel this could be the case for other quarters too:
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Mibu no ookami
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A 6% decrease is pretty marginal year over year. It's so dependent on what software comes out.
MW3 was widely panned and Spider-Man 2 was a bit lackluster. MW2 was better received and God of War Ragnarok was multiplatform.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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2022 was also still enjoying the COVID boom.
Killjoy-NL
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Funny to see, since many Gaffers want GaaS to fail.
DeltaPolarBear
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We want bad GaaS to fail, which is nearly all of them. It is rather sad that bad exploitive GaaS is hiding behind better games to try to justify themselves. If you don't know how HD2 functions, you don't get to talk about it like some regular GaaS with lootboxes.
DaGwaphics
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yurinka
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Well, the rankings also has CoD, Mario Kart 8 and EAFC too. And looking at the most played rankings, most top positions are GaaS too.
Killjoy-NL
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You implying that I don't know how HD2 functions? Lol
DaGwaphics
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True. Even with that, Hogwarts is still a great example that a lot of $ can be made from single player.
yazenov
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III
Modern Warfare 3 delivers a multiplayer experience that continues to raise the bar by focusing on fast-paced, gun-on-gun combat, along with innovative features that support and enhance a large variety of play-styles. Killstreaks have been redesigned, new game modes are being introduced, and a...
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The latest call of duty is a turd. Check the user score and the critics. It's relying on brand recognition at this point.
DeltaPolarBear
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I am implying most GaaS do not work like HD2. And you trying to pretend they are all equally good is dishonest.
Men_in_Boxes
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Killjoy-NL
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That was kind of my point as well, just the other way round.
MonkeyClaw36
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So do I but yet Helldivers is the only example of GaaS done right. A shimmer of hope in the GaaS sesspool.
MonkeyClaw36
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Let this comment sit here unaltered if you want to look like a complete tool.
HD2 is GaaS. It doesnt have to have lootboxes and other stuff.
To quote yourself: If you don't know how GaaS functions, you don't get to talk about it.
You know the concept of GaaS? Look up the definition and come back feeling ashamed.
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twilo99
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III
Modern Warfare 3 delivers a multiplayer experience that continues to raise the bar by focusing on fast-paced, gun-on-gun combat, along with innovative features that support and enhance a large variety of play-styles. Killstreaks have been redesigned, new game modes are being introduced, and a...
The latest call of duty is a turd. Check the user score and the critics. It's relying on brand recognition at this point.
Nah.. If actually play FPS games you will know that the current flavor of CoD is actually top tier
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Killjoy-NL
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I think people have an irrational hatred towards GaaS.
As much as people like to hate on Fortnite, it's a great GaaS title, as are games like Apex Legends, Warframe, FFXIV, ESO and many more.
yurinka
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Yes, there are obviously many examples of non-GaaS super successful game too.
S0ULZB0URNE
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So what
Men_in_Boxes
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This conversation was had 20 years ago when people said "All rap is bad but I like Eminem. He's the only good rapper."
Spirit Icana
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There is almost no doubt in my mind at this point that Square Enix is disappointed with Final Fantasy VII Rebirth's performance.
Final Fantasy 16 sales did not meet high expectations, says Square Enix president
Sales of Final Fantasy 16 did not meet Square Enix's high expectations, said president Takashi Kiryu. Last week the com…
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Final Fantasy XVI met the low end of their expectations, and the SE president,Takashi Kiryu, blamed the performance on the slow adoption rate of the PS5. It appears Rebirth has fallen behind XVI. Rebirth did not receive the budget it did with the expectation that it would fall behind XVI after the PS5 had further grown its install base, even having gone through a holiday, since XVI's release. SE had their PR ready a week after XVI's release to praise its 3million sales performance. They would not be silent on Rebirth if things were looking pretty. The game must've missed its internal projections.
This has nothing to do with hating or loving anything. Until the company clears the air, which they will have to do so once their next fiscal meeting takes place, this is still speculation. By that point, however, I imagine the fans will finally acknowledge something isn't quite right here.
Being number 2 in front an old game that's several months old, and a new game that was a surprise hit --which could be league's ahead for all we know, doesn't give us a good picture, and it aint' really that brag worthy when you consider Europe is not that big a market, and Japan isn't showing good numbers for the game, and NPD had TEKKEN 8 (2 million first month debut, PR from Bandai Namco) ahead of FF7 Rebirth for the year 24' ending mid way through the first week of March for North America: https://wccftech.com/helldivers-2-beat-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-npd-circana-february-2024/
Square Enix will verbalize how they feel about this game's performance soon enough.
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DeltaPolarBear
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You don't get it do you?
The issue is not GaaS games but the incentive they have. GaaS is the only type of game where the studio has a financial incentive to make their games LESS fun.
Every type of game tried to make money, but most of them get to do that by making good, fun games. GaaS is the only game type where there is an incentive to take fun out of the game to make the player pay more.
HD2 developer deliberately avoided that trap because the studio head believe they had to earn the right to monetize. A belief most other GaaS studios don't share.
And for as long as a game-type has a devil on its shoulder telling them "if you just tweak this a little you would make more money on selling power leveling items! Don't worry, just hide the real money item shop from the review copy so journalist can praise it, and put them in AFTER launch!" I would never stop telling you why it is a bad idea. i can't assume a game studio has a conscience.
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Killjoy-NL
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You don't get it.
There is nothing wrong with the concept of GaaS.
It's just some companies that put predatory business into their GaaS-games.
Men_in_Boxes
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100% false.
The fun GAAS games outcompete the less fun GAAS games. Players quit games that aren't fun.
ByWatterson
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Lol at anyone who believed FFVII only did 2 million, keep the hot takes coming though, it's endlessly amusing
300k in Japan alone in opening week, about 4x DD2, which we know is at at least 2.5 mil globally.
I know people love hating shit for no reason, but come on guys. Use your mind.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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But the internet kept telling me FFVII Rebirth was this huge flop? I don't get it...
mckmas8808
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SM2 did 10 million in 2 months. Lackluster?
Tiago Rodrigues
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Lackluster? It sold over 10M copies in like 2 or 3 months as a PS5 game only (the biggest PS5 exclusive at this point) and has a metacritic of 90.
Y'all have some weird expectations lmao