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How often do you think about the Roman Empire?

Men of GAF, how often do you think about the Roman Empire?

  • Every day

    Votes: 45 22.6%
  • Every week

    Votes: 45 22.6%
  • Every month

    Votes: 28 14.1%
  • Rarely

    Votes: 46 23.1%
  • Never

    Votes: 33 16.6%
  • Not a man

    Votes: 2 1.0%

  • Total voters
    199

Jinzo Prime

Gold Member
I actually do a lot, it's one of my go to thoughts to fall asleep.

I always think I have dragonball z powers and am transported back in time to the roman empire where I'd be a god and visit brothels every day and see naked women breasts on the street.

GIF by moodman
 

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Can't find the video where you can see that modern Rome is buried so deeply via old excavation foto's.
What we can see now is only top of was once not mudfludded. Annoying.

Not sure about the OP. And why it's a thing.

 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Just want to thank EviLore EviLore for making this thread. It inspired me to download and listen to a BBC In Our Time podcast about Constantine the Great on my bike ride to work.

It also reminded me that I must purchase the new Adrian Goldsworthy book detailing the epic conflict between Rome and Persia.

Thank you, boss!

I actually do a lot, it's one of my go to thoughts to fall asleep.

I always think I have dragonball z powers and am transported back in time to the roman empire where I'd be a god and visit brothels every day and see naked women breasts on the street.

Cool fact.

In ancient Rome, it was considered barbaric to have pubic hair. A lot of Roman women have shaven havens and men were rocking bald eagles.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Often. I was thinking the other day that I hope one day some rich billionaire creates an exact replication of Rome on some deserted island somewhere. An exact replica of the Colosseum and Roman Forum, etc. All with imported marble.

And then I was thinking about the Colosseum and how when you talk about it people are like "Yeah, it was cool, but people back then went to go watch human beings fight to the death for entertainment. That's barbaric. It goes to show you how much humans and society have changed."

And then I thought about it more and legal ramifications aside, if we took like death row inmates and had them fight to the death at a modern day Colosseum and sold tickets to these events, I guarantee they would sell out. So have we really changed all that much in that regard?
 

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I just want to say thanks as well to EviLore EviLore for not banning me for my posts that don't follow the standard narrative IE the Jon Levi and Mind Unveiled videos. Even though they're ignored I'm very grateful to be able to post the perspective I personally resonate with.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And then I was thinking about the Colosseum and how when you talk about it people are like "Yeah, it was cool, but people back then went to go watch human beings fight to the death for entertainment. That's barbaric. It goes to show you how much humans and society have changed."

I think people who say that are lying to themselves.

In reality people would absolutely love it. People today love UFC and boxing. They love gory horror movies. Watching two guys fight to the death with swords and tridents wouldn't be any different.

In his Confessions, St Augustine tells a story about his friend who had a complete hatred for gladiator combat. He found the concept so disgusting that he never actually saw any fight in his life.

This changed when he was in Rome where he was reluctantly dragged to the amphitheatre by his friends. At first he hated it. He covered his eyes to shield him from the horror. But then he heard the crowds roar and out of curiosity he had a peak. He saw a gladiator was bleeding on the floor, but not out of the fight.As soon as he saw the blood he was hooked.

"Without any awareness of what was happening to him, he found delight in the murderous contest and was inebriated by bloodthirsty pleasure. He was not now the person who had come in, but just one of the crowd which he had joined, and a true member of the group which had brought him"

That is exactly what would happen with a vast majority of people if we brought back gladiator combat. It's arrogant to think we're somehow morally superior in that regard.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Cool fact.

In ancient Rome, it was considered barbaric to have pubic hair. A lot of Roman women have shaven havens and men were rocking bald eagles.

Never heard of that one.
But another fact is that Romans considered using pants as barbaric. This with their love for togas, and all that shaving, meant it was quite breezy don there.
 

NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
I think people who say that are lying to themselves.

In reality people would absolutely love it. People today love UFC and boxing. They love gory horror movies. Watching two guys fight to the death with swords and tridents wouldn't be any different.
Gladiator fights, maybe. That’s one extreme form of sport and I guess it’s not that hard to still witness something like that today if you know where to go.

That’s not everything that went on in the Colosseum though. I‘ve read some of the “spectacles” staged in there in, uh, special occasions a few days ago. I had to stop reading for a moment. Professional fighters fighting to the death is one thing. Regular people chained with their intestines exposed to be devoured by a bear is something else entirely.
 

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I think people who say that are lying to themselves.

In reality people would absolutely love it. People today love UFC and boxing. They love gory horror movies. Watching two guys fight to the death with swords and tridents wouldn't be any different.

In his Confessions, St Augustine tells a story about his friend who had a complete hatred for gladiator combat. He found the concept so disgusting that he never actually saw any fight in his life.

This changed when he was in Rome where he was reluctantly dragged to the amphitheatre by his friends. At first he hated it. He covered his eyes to shield him from the horror. But then he heard the crowds roar and out of curiosity he had a peak. He saw a gladiator was bleeding on the floor, but not out of the fight.As soon as he saw the blood he was hooked.

"Without any awareness of what was happening to him, he found delight in the murderous contest and was inebriated by bloodthirsty pleasure. He was not now the person who had come in, but just one of the crowd which he had joined, and a true member of the group which had brought him"

That is exactly what would happen with a vast majority of people if we brought back gladiator combat. It's arrogant to think we're somehow morally superior in that regard.

When principals and morals meet morbid curiosity.


As well as the semi peer pressure crowds reaction which I reckon somewhat normalized the scenario which made him look.

These are my words but it's the excitement of competition (just like Muay Thai, UFC, underdog, etc) aspects that hooks the crowd. At least I like to think that's was the case.


In the end it was bread wine and circus after all.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Gladiator fights, maybe. That’s one extreme form of sport and I guess it’s not that hard to still witness something like that today if you know where to go.

That’s not everything that went on in the Colosseum though. I‘ve read some of the “spectacles” staged in there in, uh, special occasions a few days ago. I had to stop reading for a moment. Professional fighters fighting to the death is one thing. Regular people chained with their intestines exposed to be devoured by a bear is something else entirely.

Some of the events would have been too much for me. I wouldn't like to see a criminal chained up and eaten alive. Too gratuitous.

Would I watch two guys fight to the death? If both guys agreed to it, or they were both absolute scum (child killers for example) then yeah, I'd absolutely watch it. So would 99% of this forum.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
When principals and morals meet morbid curiosity.


As well as the semi peer pressure crowds reaction which I reckon somewhat normalized the scenario which made him look.

These are my words but it's the excitement of competition (just like Muay Thai, UFC, underdog, etc) aspects that hooks the crowd. At least I like to think that's was the case.


In the end it was bread wine and circus after all.

Agreed. It was a combination of factors that made him look and also fed his enjoyment.

The power and madness of crowds.
 

Laptop1991

Member
Quite a bit, i loved the I Claudius tv show back in the day and other films and shows, and one of the best invasion's of my land ever, England, when they created Britannica, they made what became England so much better, i don't feel connected to the so called Celts, who didn't call themselves that anyway.
 

violence

Member
Some of the events would have been too much for me. I wouldn't like to see a criminal chained up and eaten alive. Too gratuitous.

Would I watch two guys fight to the death? If both guys agreed to it, or they were both absolute scum (child killers for example) then yeah, I'd absolutely watch it. So would 99% of this forum.
It likely activates primal emotions that all humans have. Our predator minds are still there.
 

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We don't like to admit it, but we love violence and are by nature violent creatures.

The difference between us and the Romans is that the Romans weren't scared to embrace their violent nature.

We still do although in a different, less social acceptable way. Also, the more gruesome on the regular the more desensitized the populus got. Same with the media and sexualization in our entertainment. It's molds the populous.
 

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We don't like to admit it, but we love violence and are by nature violent creatures.

The difference between us and the Romans is that the Romans weren't scared to embrace their violent nature.

In the last decade or 2 we went from soft core porn music videos to 14 years old in bikinis on TikTok (right?) And from boxing to UFC to bare knuckle boxing and no gloves muay thai.

From shocking to normal.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
In the last decade or 2 we went from soft core porn music videos to 14 years old in bikinis on TikTok (right?) And from boxing to UFC to bare knuckle boxing and no gloves muay thai.

From shocking to normal.

Agreed, although to be fair, bare knuckle boxing is a sport that's been around since the 17th century. It has its origin in England, which isn't surprising considering the English also invented Rugby and Football hooligans.
 

lachesis

Member
I guess people from the west may think of Roman Empire more often than from us Asians. I think of history of Korea, China and Japan far more often than Roman Empire.
 

Toots

Gold Member
This is what the French looked like at the time. What happened?

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We simply grew out of our gay phase.
Have you seen this fat Siegfried and Roy wannabe ?

Us French were truly cool (from a military standpoint) when we started cosplaying as W40K Imperial guard, sending thousands into battle to die a horrible death only armed with a pea shooter and a silly hat.
According to historians, this period the peak of military genius and tactics in the western world.

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In the last decade or 2 we went from soft core porn music videos to 14 years old in bikinis on TikTok (right?) And from boxing to UFC to bare knuckle boxing and no gloves muay thai.

From shocking to normal.
Social media and the fact that any child can be sexualized is new, but im' pretty sure there always was Britney Spears or Jenna Ortegas (ie sexualized children in entertainmnent) since entertainment exist.
One could argue UFC is less violent than boxing, at least less damaging (boxers take more hits because of the ten count, in mma if you can't defend yourself it's over).
No glove muay thai is letwei i guess. You could also have said headbutt muay thai it's even more scary :messenger_grinning_sweat:
Letwei is an ancient martial art and as such have rules and a social use.
I agree with IDKFA IDKFA when he says we as a species are fascinated by violence. As long as we can control this fascination and design social outlets to "release the pressure", like violent sports, ceremonials like ritualized fights, even direct confrontation albeit under sets of rules, we can live with it. The Bouc émissaire as conceptualized by René Girard shows this (he goes a bit out there with how much he pushed his theory but the observations on which he bases it are truly great).

I think in our society there's more and more outburst of violence, totally unregulated, where there should not have been, and people more or less accept it. It scares the shit out of me. In France some cop killed an unarmed young guy at a traffic stop. France is not the US, and cops here don't run the risk to be shot at when doing a simple traffic check. Everyone should have been appalled by what the cop did, how much violence he used in an unregulated context. But some people said "it's the kids fault he just had to comply". I find it crazy and dangerous. When people don't mind much unregulated, unritualized violence they tend to revert to their baser instincts. That make them the best consoomers, since you can directly appeal to their vileness, but at what cost ? When i said Zuck burned our collective mind i did not joke, and the fact that he teased a fight with Musk, another very weird dude who should not have as much power as he has) and everyone (me included) was all about it is almost poetic.

To those who made the effort of reading my rant, a parting gift.
Here's Zuck in full thought conqueror mode, surfing the void in search of some of your most personnal tought he could feed upon.
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AJUMP23

Gold Member
I think about this scene a lot



It is unfortunate this actor died during production, because he was incredible in the movie.


I would say to those of you that do not think about Rome, it is fine, but you are missing out on a lot of understanding and perspective. Also the stories of the peoples and leaders are interesting. Like Caesar in Alesia. Turning what should have been a Celtic victory for Vercingetorix, into a defeat and ultimately destruction of the Celtic empire. That battle sees the rise of Marc Antony and why Caesar was a brilliant militarily. Also demonstrated the fierceness of the Roman soldier.

Take 10 minutes and see how you snatch victory from what should have been demoralizing defeat.

 
Heh, my wife showed me this meme sometime last week and I thought it was pretty damn accurate. I like watching videos on ancient history, especially when looking for inspiration for world-building, so the Roman Empire crosses my mind at least once a week.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
For you guys talking gladiator fights and battles to the death, I don’t think a lot of people in modern day would like it. Ya, you’ll get some who love it. Same people who watch and bet on dogfighting.

It’s a different time. People are more mellow. Back then (not just Romans but any culture) you had stuff like Genghis Khan sweeping across Asia in horse raids, that Greek or Roman thing where they kill people locking them in that iron bull and lighting a fire and shit like that. Nowadays capital punishment even using the least painful way is stricken from most countries law books.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
Every day.

Not like...at lunch every day I dream about marching the green meadows with my spear in tow.

But like...passing thoughts.

So much of our civilization is built on that culture, it's only natural.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I think there's a lot of joke responses just running with it but I'm sure there are plenty of turbonerds who really do spend time pondering stuff like this. And they are probably insufferable people irl.

"Turbonerds" says the person posting on a video game forum.
 

Kilau

Gold Member
You have to understand. Even though the Roman Empire lasted for a long time, after 300AD it was pretty much on the decline. Rome was home to a cool 1 million people and by then it was in the tens of thousands.
Pffft, it's still in decline, but you'll see.
 

Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I actually do a lot, it's one of my go to thoughts to fall asleep.

I always think I have dragonball z powers and am transported back in time to the roman empire where I'd be a god and visit brothels every day and see naked women breasts on the street.
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