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Hurricane Irma Made Worse by Climate Change, Scientists Say
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SinCityAssassin
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Trump yells FAKE CLIMATE NEWS over devastated Florida from a megaphone in his private helicopter.
SoundofSilence
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Thank god. I feel much better knowing that he's watching it.
Making hurricanes great again.
Newsflash. Every major weather event happening right now is because of climate change. Those BC forests being decimated by a mountain pine beetle because winters aren't cold enoigh to kill them off has been due to climate change. The flooding of parts of Italy and Venice is due to climate change. Increased droughts, more rains, more tropical storms, more extreme winters and hotter summers,is all due to climate change.
The thing we need to get people to understand is that this is currently being caused by man. Increased pesticide use killed and endangered many birds and insects intil we banned them and populations recovered. CFC's and other perspirants were widespread and causing holes in the ozone layer until their use declined and we are seeing recovery. Now,the massive increase in coal burning by China and India which have or are about to surpass the US, the increase in fossil fuel use worldwide is leading to increased CO2 in the atmosphere, increasing the greenhouse effect. Now it doesn't matter to the fatass driving his F150 in Texas and going home to his centrally air conditioned home if temperatures increase worldwide one or two degrees, but the thousands of people living on the islands in the South Pacific or the Maldives will suffer as increased glacial melting and sea level rise mean more floods and possibly their entire cities and civilizations under water.
The anti climate change crowd has been so effective with planting the seed of doubt that intelligent and educated individuals will deny in the face of all evidence this isn't human caused.
The thing we need to get people to understand is that this is currently being caused by man. Increased pesticide use killed and endangered many birds and insects intil we banned them and populations recovered. CFC's and other perspirants were widespread and causing holes in the ozone layer until their use declined and we are seeing recovery. Now,the massive increase in coal burning by China and India which have or are about to surpass the US, the increase in fossil fuel use worldwide is leading to increased CO2 in the atmosphere, increasing the greenhouse effect. Now it doesn't matter to the fatass driving his F150 in Texas and going home to his centrally air conditioned home if temperatures increase worldwide one or two degrees, but the thousands of people living on the islands in the South Pacific or the Maldives will suffer as increased glacial melting and sea level rise mean more floods and possibly their entire cities and civilizations under water.
The anti climate change crowd has been so effective with planting the seed of doubt that intelligent and educated individuals will deny in the face of all evidence this isn't human caused.
BoogieWoogie
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No shit.
BronsonLee
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THANKS OBAMA
Master Yoshi
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I'm always curious how scientific fact is considered political.
buttery fistful
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Well what do the Republican facts say?
"Hinders your ability to make money" => political
Zombie James
Banned
Forget climate change; Trump watching it is what's making it worse.
All he had to do was declare himself Dictator of America like the right said he would, and we wouldn't be dealing with this mess!!
Anyway, no shit climate change is contributing to Irma.
Hurricanes are fake, it is just ANTIFA visiting at night and destroying everything.
Nightwing123
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100% This. I hate it when people ignore science in favor of so called traditional values.
It's to punish the gays and liberals, of course.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The hypercane guy from this morning must feel triumph right now.
paragonpro
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Yeah, expect it to only get worse the next few years.
Im moving away from the coast as soon as i can.
Im moving away from the coast as soon as i can.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I know it's semantics, but I don't think this is a scientific fact for it is not a repeatable feat and confirmed true (at least not yet anyways). There is sure to be dissenting opinions on this within the scientific community as well.
This falls more in line with scientific hypothesis.
Neuromancer
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Same scientists who said Crooked Hilary would win!
On a serious note it's really depressing that the people in power don't care enough to do anything about this until it will be too late.
On a serious note it's really depressing that the people in power don't care enough to do anything about this until it will be too late.
It's difficult to say individual events were or were not affected by climate change unless they are significantly outside the norm. And even then it's difficult. I haven't done the math to check and have no desire to. Mostly because the fact that climate change makes hurricanes stronger should be constantly filed under "No shit Sherlock" news.
Unfortunately, people only react to individual events and only when there's a disaster, so here we are. The path forward on climate change has been and will be paved by the blood and loss of those who are the most vulnerable. It's a sad state of affairs.
Unfortunately, people only react to individual events and only when there's a disaster, so here we are. The path forward on climate change has been and will be paved by the blood and loss of those who are the most vulnerable. It's a sad state of affairs.
pr0cs
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Yes but it's in the news right now and fits the bill for the sounding board we're looking for so it's fair game
Freeza Under The Shower
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He means furiously masturbating to the amount of lives about to be ruined and / or lost.
We have been measuring climate data for 150 years, making it one of the longest on-going data collections in academic terms, and the hypothesis of human caused global warming came from seeing observations changing towards higher averages, combined with the first viable readings of our 'sister planet' Venus, a literal hell of a world. Greenhouse effects have also been well-known (as used in agriculture) for a long time, and combining three separate sets of observations into a 'oh shit' moment didn't take long.
There are no semantics involved, and you're repeating a 'merchant of doubt' talking point here. Even if you didn't mean to, you just aided in spreading bullshit that is part of a campaign to destabilize efforts to stop what everyone else already considers to be scientific fact. Even by the very people who started and reinforced these campaigns, which tends to be oil companies.
He just wants to see what size of crowds show up, or if the hurricane says anything nice about him
It's a hypothesis like gravity's a hypothesis, sure.
FrenchMovieTheme
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boredofcanada
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It makes my blood boil to know that Rick Scott will come after any government or news agency in Florida that even talks about climate change.
WaterAstro
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Well, Climate Change hasn't changed for a very long time.
Hurricane Katrina was already the signal. Now, we have two devastating hurricanes in a row.
Hurricane Katrina was already the signal. Now, we have two devastating hurricanes in a row.
It's a scientific fact that global warming is happening.
It's a scientific fact that humans by in large are disposable.
It's a scientific fact that global warming is making the oceans warmer.
It's a scientific fact that warmer oceans create stronger hurricanes.
It's likely that Irma has been strengthened by AGW.
The first four have had numerous studies done on them and a strong scientific consensus. The fifth is an inference drawn by observation. If you would like, there are studies showing the distribution of increase in wind speeds and rainfall of hurricanes over the next century, and the costs related to that.
What I've learned is people don't listen to the first four. Too abstract or some shit. They will listen to the fact that Irma has been strengthened because that's personal, even if it is difficult to prove unless the storm lies far outside the normal probabilistic distribution of hurricanes.
I understand that it's important to be precise when discussing science, and especially with regarding to climate change. I do research in atmospheric physics after all. However, I also understand that it is important to convey the importance of global warming, and that using science speak can make that difficult.
Epsilon-delta
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Scientific facts or theories can never be proven true, only falsified.
Scientific theories != proofs.
We can make statements like "On average hurricanes are more prevalent and/or more intense due to climate change." We should not make statements like "This specific hurricane exists/is stronger/directs this way due to climate change." It's not testable and isn't something that should be stated as fact.
Because for many people, scientific fact is just a point of view.
Shadow Puppetry
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Hurricane looks like largest ever recorded in the Atlantic!
3:53 AM · Sep 6, 2017
Yes, I had to include that time.
Hurricane looks like largest ever recorded in the Atlantic!
3:53 AM · Sep 6, 2017
Yes, I had to include that time.
Freeza Under The Shower
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The real issue here is that scientist and the former campaigners against it already agree on it, it's just that the GOP has made denial into a political tribal statement of sorts.
And even they seem to know that's a bad idea, but the actual current president isn't on board with reason or reality.
Testability and falsifiability are ways of testing the tenability of a thesis, NOT the actual core body of the pursuit knowledge. I don't know why you guys keep using this old and outdated concept, but Karl Popper was kind of a required idiot of his day (due to the institutions of the social world, like the love of Freud and other quacks), not someone you'd want to believe as having any real answers to anything. By his model of what makes science, evolution, complexity, climate change, archaeology, computing and AI research, and many other fields requiring fuzzy or probabilistic causality would not be science. All his students seemed to have realized that and nobody actually liked the man or followed in his rigid ways. The only person who tried to get him to see through his own error was Imre Lakatos, and it may have killed him, as he died relatively young for an academic. Since then, nobody is interested in any kind of rigid system of defining science from not-science, instead preferring to let critical thinking, inspection, accountability, and the hands of time to do the work of allowing people to distinguish them.
And even they seem to know that's a bad idea, but the actual current president isn't on board with reason or reality.
Testability and falsifiability are ways of testing the tenability of a thesis, NOT the actual core body of the pursuit knowledge. I don't know why you guys keep using this old and outdated concept, but Karl Popper was kind of a required idiot of his day (due to the institutions of the social world, like the love of Freud and other quacks), not someone you'd want to believe as having any real answers to anything. By his model of what makes science, evolution, complexity, climate change, archaeology, computing and AI research, and many other fields requiring fuzzy or probabilistic causality would not be science. All his students seemed to have realized that and nobody actually liked the man or followed in his rigid ways. The only person who tried to get him to see through his own error was Imre Lakatos, and it may have killed him, as he died relatively young for an academic. Since then, nobody is interested in any kind of rigid system of defining science from not-science, instead preferring to let critical thinking, inspection, accountability, and the hands of time to do the work of allowing people to distinguish them.
You might want to look at the more recent peak measurements and check again. Unless you're comparing different regions, then that is just plain daft.
You can tell if climate change is having an effect by the weakening or strengthening of a hurricane as it progresses compared to events in the past
I was giving information that was available when I posted it. If there is something showing different, then update what I posted.
Well, this all is certainly something. I say this as an actual scientist too.
Generalpsyduck
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Fun fact: members of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection are not allowed to use the term "climate change" or "global warming" in any official communications, emails, or reports.
Zombie James
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The OP itself says it is the most powerful storm formed in the Alantic Ocean.
What are your sources?
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Ohhh... so Bloomberg doesn't provide a source, so it must be true?
Here's what I am going with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records