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[PeteBull]

Agreed with you OP.

Fruity shitty dev crying a river over AI or losing their jobs because they make shitty games nobody bought. A failing business doesn't have the right to continue to exist. Let better studios take over.

The very reason those talentless parasites lose their job is coz gaming industry is one of most competetive business on the globe, for every failed game there are 10 other ones hoping we spend our hard earned money on.
If those fkers were rewarded and kept their job(talking as a whole studio, not singular person who could be at no fault obviously) then that would mean something is wrong.
Luckily thats a sign world is healing, sick cancerous parts are getting rid of, many left but night is still young

Hoping hermen is let go before year ends, after all

 

[SirTerry-T]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

I'm a game dev.
Fuck you too.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Team Microsoft Xbox would like to offer you the job, we welcome you with open arms

How close are you to your new CEO?

 

[PeteBull]

I'm a game dev.
Fuck you too.

Wish u well, bro, hopefully not in EA/Ubisoft nor any studio under microsoft or sony, even better not in any western AAA studio, just to be on a safer side

 

[March Climber]

"I don't care about... Studio shutdowns."

So if the maker of your favourite game shutdown you wouldn't care? Huh

Some of the things you listed will have a direct effect on you "consuming it".

He is essentially saying "I don't care *until it effects me*"

It's unfortunately how a lot of people currently view life, relationships, social issues, politics, etc. you name it.

People tend to leave out the second half of the statement to sound cool or edgy, or both.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Yeah, OP sounds a bit psychopathic. No one is asking you to do anything, but I think having some empathy is just a human thing.

Especially there are million ways to screw up the game you're working on. We have seen many based unpaid comments equivalent to years of experience as a CEO. The industry actually is created this way at least since the original XBOX.

 

[Boo Who?]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

So what do you do for a living?

 

[FingerBang]

They will attack you relentlessly, because you're right. This is absolutely the only sane attitude. You should only care about your own interests. The same way people should not be ashamed to start businesses for money, instead of constantly make up shit to look virtuous.

 

[Varteras]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I'm more sympathetic with the builders having to stay under the sun for 8 hours a day with 40 degrees Celsius... who am I kidding and don't really care about them too.

Usually they get forced to retire from their health condition for working many years under the sun. These guys are heroes, they wouldn't mind building the next skyscraper if their body says yes.

 

[SirTerry-T]

So what do you do for a living?

He must be a heart surgeon or child cancer researcher? Nothing else would excuse that incredible display of self importance and ignorance.

 

[DAHGAMING]

How close are you to your new CEO?

Put it this way, I just got off playing Redfall with her

 

[WX3]

Put it this way, I just got off playing Redfall with her

He didn't ask if you were retarded.

 

[Disciple of MSSP]

 

[INNocence]

Hell yes! I'm so sick of all those whining about how their lives are so hard to live. How about my life I'm living working in a trading company, how about all those people's lives they live to make the world around you spinning. Do your job you're paid for, and, by the way, you're paid really well and stop crying!!! What a degenerates all those devs are in real life! Make good games and if it's good I'll buy it!

 

[Doomtrain]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

I don't care about you either. Now go flip my burger, or whatever it is you do.

 

[WoJ]

I mean, I kind of agree with the OP. In the games industry, more than any other I see clowns like Schrierer writing these "woe is me" articles about crunch and studios being shut down and "toxic" environments. Welcome to every corporate job, everywhere.

And devs don't help themselves with their clown behavior online literally belittling their customer base on social media, injecting their nonsense politics into games at the expense of what their actual consumers want. Then they turn around and yell some more at consumers when their games fail and don't look in the mirror at all.

I'm not going to wish harm on game devs, but I also don't care about crunch - lots of industries have the equivalent. I don't care about their alleged "hardships". As a collective modern game devs a bunch of cry babies who hate their customers. Why would I give a shit about them?

 

[Heart_Attack]

There are way too many people developing too many games. Colin Moriarty has spoken about this plenty of times. We are bound for a reset.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

However vitriolic the OP might be, I actually don't disagree. And I say that as someone who works in games, who actively tries to help smaller dev teams succeed, so I have a vested interest. But I get it - at the end of the day, what matters is the game and people shelling out for them shouldn't have to worry about all the background shenanigans.

 

[The Pleasure]

MagusMajul articulating himself to the developers

 

[yogaflame]

I only care about the legend Shigeru Miyamoto.

 

[SportsFan581]

You cared enough to type that paragraph about how much you don't care. That'll have to be enough.

 

[LuxFixxins]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

I too was once 13.

 

[diffusionx]

The game industry, for the past 10 years, is full of people who don't like video games and don't want to sell games to the people who buy them.

This is not sustainable. Like gamers spent many years asking Ubishit for a AC in Samurai era Japan, they announce a AC in Samurai era Japan. Easiest fucking layup ever right? Well no, because they had to make you play as a girl boss and a black guy. Like, the contempt is just obvious. And sure enough it (almost definitely) underperformed. So if someone told me the AC Shadows team got shut down, all I will say is that they didn't make the game people asked for so people didn't buy it.

 

[rapid32.5]

Agreed. System sales, developer layoffs, and studio acquisitions or closures shouldn't interest gamers. We should focus on games instead. That said, being a fan of a particular studio is perfectly reasonable, since they create the games you enjoy and spend your time on.

 

[PlayStaytion]

i'm sad as game developer reading OP rant about us...

It came natural to me the minute I had fun from the first game I played, I actually wished to talk to them before the internet even invented, I don't think OP meant what he said a %100, maybe he got too close to someone on the wrong medium like X or Reddit.

 

[RafterXL]

Op is just expressing what many of us feel. Game developers aren't special, if they make a product I want I'll buy it , if they don't I won't. Past that they mean no more to me that the guy that changed my oil or the people who made the shirt I'm wearing. I'll never understand why people put game developers on a pedestal like their jobs are more important than anyone else and why we have to give a shit any time one of them loses their job.

Btw, developers asked for this. They wanted an adversarial relationship with the people who made their jobs possible so they could chase an audience that doesn't exist and peddle bullshit that has nothing to do with gaming.

FAFO.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I don't care about you either. Now go flip my burger, or whatever it is you do.

Replies like this prove the OP right.

Dude, you are not special. I am a writer with a small but devoted audience and I'm not special either. My audience doesn't give a shit about my life, nor do I expect they do.

I understand he has worded it in a very harsh way, but the underlying sentiment is that there's a tiresome narrative about how sad we must ffeel for studios and people who spend half their time insulting their target audience. Just like you did.

I appreciate your good work when a good game is delivered but you have to understand that you can't pose as a "victim" , let alone confront customers who in most cases have a worse job and nobody pats their shoulders, just like you demonstrated.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Agreed with the OP. All the crying online by devs and journos when a game fails feels quite unprofessional.

 

[Hadoukens]

Good thread, it needed to be said.

And only because of the special treatment they think they deserve.

Like ok, do THEY think and care about the rest of us? No? Okay, no special treatment then.

I hope everyone finds success or peace or happiness to some degree, from a human to human level, but the end result depends on whether I like your game and whether you treat your customers with respect.

I'm tapped out on unwarranted empathy due to the last 2 decades of virtue signaling and shaming by the political left.

Also keep your politics out of games unless the game is clearly political. Tired of these far leftist looney tunes snots that have infected and utterly flooded gaming.

If your game or community manager lectures me, then squash it immediately or I will genuinely dislike you or your company.

 

[Mhmmm 2077]

This is the correct take. I like some studios, cus I like their games. I expect them to make more games that I will like and if that's the case - I will buy and play them, that's all.

 

[MLSabre]

Agreed with the OP. All the crying online by devs and journos when a game fails feels quite unprofessional.

Professionalism takes a very far back seat these days with the advant of social medias. Many people simply cannot stop themselves from airing every grievance they have, even on their personal accounts with their name and job position on display!

 

[simpatico]

Correct. OP that is a good position to have, because there's a good chance game developers do more than simply not care about you. I've heard them talk enthusiastically about limiting my rights and freedoms. Chuds would have to escalate drastically to even the odds in terms of outlook. We simply laugh at their failure while they lobby for our confinement. These people actually want to you see homeless and destitute.

 

[FudgeIt]

Typically I would agree but I need to know when my favorite dev is making hello kitty island adventure 2… make it snappy

 

[MiguelItUp]

I'm a game dev.
Fuck you too.

I didn't want to be the first to say it, so thank you for that, lol.

We don't care about you either OP.

 

[Doomtrain]

Replies like this prove the OP right.

Dude, you are not special. I am a writer with a small but devoted audience and I'm not special either. My audience doesn't give a shit about my life, nor do I expect they do.

I understand he has worded it in a very harsh way, but the underlying sentiment is that there's a tiresome narrative about how sad we must ffeel for studios and people who spend half their time insulting their target audience. Just like you did.

I appreciate your good work when a good game is delivered but you have to understand that you can't pose as a "victim" , let alone confront customers who in most cases have a worse job and nobody pats their shoulders, just like you demonstrated.

Where did I say I was special, or that I was a victim? I don't think I'm either of those things. I also don't spend "half of my time insulting my target audience" -- GAF is basically the only social media adjacent thing that I'm into, and I'm as exasperated as anybody here about the weird virtue-signally stuff the media has been doing for the past decade. But if someone else preemptively fires shots, I'm going to answer back.

 

[RuneFactoryFanboy]

I care about the talented people that make the games I like, but just from a normal consumer standpoint. If you like what someone makes, then it's normal to want them to make more, and they need to be successful for that to happen.

However, I can understand where the OP may be coming from here, because something I observe on gaming forums and communities is that players get way too invested in the behind-the-scenes of dev teams, and often blur that healthy relationship line. When you start purchasing games through the lens of "supporting" what you like, whether it makes financial/time/interest sense for you, then you're crossing that line.

Business is not charity, and while my human empathy doesn't take joy in seeing anyone or their families suffer, I don't think poor decisions or incompetence should be rewarded. Entertainment industries are fickle, and every game dev should understand that they chose to enter a space that's a gamble. Plus there is always the constant truth: Life is not fair, and never will be.

 

[Stuart360]

Honestly most gamers will feel this way, probably most on here feel the same way but would never admit it. As consumers really it should be that way as we are the ones having to fork out our hard earned cash for these products.

Having said that,, it does suck and suck hard the amount of studios being shut down. especially the older historic studios.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Fuck those blue haired cry babies.

 

[SirTerry-T]

I mean, I kind of agree with the OP. In the games industry, more than any other I see clowns like Schrierer writing these "woe is me" articles about crunch and studios being shut down and "toxic" environments. Welcome to every corporate job, everywhere.

And devs don't help themselves with their clown behavior online literally belittling their customer base on social media, injecting their nonsense politics into games at the expense of what their actual consumers want. Then they turn around and yell some more at consumers when their games fail and don't look in the mirror at all.

I'm not going to wish harm on game devs, but I also don't care about crunch - lots of industries have the equivalent. I don't care about their alleged "hardships". As a collective modern game devs a bunch of cry babies who hate their customers. Why would I give a shit about them?

The games industry is just like any other business...the loudest voices do in no way, shape or form speak for the vast majority of us.

I've been working in games since the mid-90's and I can assure you, most of us think Schreier and all those other "voices of the business" talk just as much worthless shite as the folk on forums like this do.

The vast majority of us clock in and clock out when our work day is done and go back to being regular human beings.

What I will say though, is game dev can be just as hard work as some of the other jobs out there, not physically of course but when you are working on a project and the crunch hits hard (which it shouldn't if the management team know what they are doing), I doubt many of the folk on here who complain about "lazy devs" would want to swap places...more so if you have family.

The rewards are there if you put in the effort and work hard, just as it should be for any job but none of us game devs who work on the ground floor are going to be able to retire early, even if we have worked on some of the bigger titles out there.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I bet game development can have hard working, good people in it. Obviously cause SirTerry-T seems legit.

Social media was the end of it in many ways. So many journalists, game devs, and influencers showed their true colors. I stopped visiting news sites and paying for certain games because of it. Influencers made me realize I wasn't a big fish in the sea anymore. You know that feeling when you feel like you're the only kid on the block with a new game? I realize I could have a super nice rig and buy games that no one on my street has. They might work hard, but you're reminded how small you are when these big companies start sending them gifts. It's like unwanted jealousy.

I've read books about the origins of the video game industry. Which is still cool. There aren't that many stories these days. They're just making games to increase player count and making services to make money on a regular basis. Even the games I do buy have little to no history behind their development. Do you know anything about Resident Evil 9 besides it was made in Japan? I'm sure there's some dev notes here and there. For the history books? I don't think so.

I think the people that made millions off their ideas also realize the glory days are gone. It's kinda been a "if the shoe fits" perspective. All those great spokespersons are gone and the ones still running it probably spend most of their time on their yacht enjoying life. We can't say there aren't good hard working people out there making games. I still buy quite a few. Am I super excited as I was 10-15 years ago? Only for a handful of the well known developers. I'm excited about games, but I also realize where some things don't matter as much as they use to.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Yeah, I entered the business just as the "bedroom" coder days were coming to a close. My CV for what's it's worth back then was a 3.5inch floppy full of Amiga and ST graphics and my art school portfolio....doubt that would even get me a job as a cleaner in a studio these days!

I'm an old fart though and familiarity with the business has probably made me a bit more blasé about all the good stuff that has also happened in videogames in the last twenty/thirty years

 

[Plague Doctor]

Again, change this to western AAA devs and I am somewhat with you.

Too many self entitled fucks have shown nothing but disdain for their audiences whenever they do open their mouths.

And for the ones that don't, they facilitate the decay of Western AAA it by going along to get along. Sucks they are collatoral and I hope they find better luck in AA and Indies.

Edit: Either way, the Western AAA dev space is fucked. I don't have to like or dislike them. The layoffs will still happen reagrdless cause their part of the greater gaming industry is contracting and dying in real time.

 

[Ocean Dweller]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

tough guy?

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

I feel this way about actors/actresses ... do your job on screen and please don't ever try to contribute your voice or personhood to anything else outside your private life.

Game devs -- I do care about the great ones, the real drivers and innovators. I don't care about the industry full of mostly outsourced 9-5s though, that should fall and go back to only small teams of passionate devs.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I'm as exasperated as anybody here about the weird virtue-signally stuff the media has been doing for the past decade.

Since you understand what has triggered the OP to open this thread, you should also get that neither him nor anybody "agreeing" with that sentiment is referring to EVERY game dev. That would be unfair.

The criticism is over the symbiotic relation between media and some studios or groups of devs to create a certain narrative. For the sake of language economy, it's called "game devs" but not meaning every individual working in the industry.

The same way when people say "modern writers suck", I have to agree despite being a writer myself (and not sucking) but yeah, I understand why they say that.

 

[SirTerry-T]

I feel this way about actors/actresses ... do your job on screen and please don't ever try to contribute your voice or personhood to anything else outside your private life.

Game devs -- I do care about the great ones, the real drivers and innovators. I don't care about the industry full of mostly outsourced 9-5s though, that should fall and go back to only small teams of passionate devs.

Well those Outsource studios are around because the size of a lot of modern AAA games demands the extra help. Its a bit unfair to paint all those Outsource studios with the same brush though, having worked with a few in my time, there are some VERY talented people who work in them, and their work often goes uncredited, or worse still, kept quiet to make the main development staff look...ahem... more "God like".

 

[Effigenius]

Team Microsoft Xbox would like to offer you the job, we welcome you with open arms

Oooh bad news. Team Xbox just laid you offs

 

[WoJ]

The games industry is just like any other business...the loudest voices do in no way, shape or form speak for the vast majority of us.

I've been working in games since the mid-90's and I can assure you, most of us think Schreier and all those other "voices of the business" talk just as much worthless shite as the folk on forums like this do.

The vast majority of us clock in and clock out when our work day is done and go back to being regular human beings.

What I will say though, is game dev can be just as hard work as some of the other jobs out there, not physically of course but when you are working on a project and the crunch hits hard (which it shouldn't if the management team know what they are doing), I doubt many of the folk on here who complain about "lazy devs" would want to swap places...more so if you have family.

The rewards are there if you put in the effort and work hard, just as it should be for any job but none of us game devs who work on the ground floor are going to be able to retire early, even if we have worked on some of the bigger titles out there.

Yeah I mean this all makes complete sense. My comments and feelings (as I suspect most peoples are) are directed towards the loud voices that are ultimately a minority.

Your comment about game development being like any other business with most people clocking out at the end of the day and going home to their families is kind of my point. And I don't say that with malice or contempt. I worked in banking for almost 20 years and at times had to work long hours that would be in line with "crunch" in game dev. I worked with people who put up with worse than me. One guy I worked with, I remember he was involved in a project going poorly. Probably 3 or days a week at 4pm he'd get a call added to his calendar for 6pm that same day he had to be on. Then after that 6pm call there'd be shit to do for a newly added 9pm call that night. Then the next morning he'd be on at 8am status call to follow up on the 9pm call from the night before. Shit went on for months. But we never expected anyone to care about that when they went to the bank or their direct deposit check cleared. Why should they?

That's really kind of my point. All industries have shit they deal with that blows and should be better and unacceptable. It's just not reality. In gaming it seems like the whiners and rats like Schrierer hold onto some moral authority and make it a point to talk down to consumers in a way I just don't see in other industries. You obviously know this and see it too.

All that said, i hope you didn't take my comment as a personal attack. Most of us, quite frankly all of us should, know that most game devs are just regular people. We just want the whiners and activists to shut up and go away.

 

[Doomtrain]

We just want the whiners and activists to shut up and go away.

Most of the developers I know feel the same way.