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If Playstation or Xbox cannot contact an PSN/XBL activation server or equivalent, they will be bricks in the future (highly unlikely)
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Shelookdlvl18
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Hurt? No. A bit perplexed as to your defense and deflection? Maybe.
You have a PS4 since 2013 that's lifespan is determined by a battery inside it. Once it goes, you'll own a brick.
Your whataboutism with the 360 isn't comparable. MS didn't make them fail on purpose, and spent billions giving returns no questions asked. Apples and Oranges.
"Technology is not 100% durable and sometimes has issues". Yes, what an awesome observation that is. This has nothing to do with that, and isn't applicable. Sony has been aware that their consoles lifespan is dictated by a battery within their console for almost a decade now. That's not a technological issue. It's an anti consumer one.
Shelookdlvl18
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Onlyfans is that way.>>>>>>>>
You may now go back to arguing about plastic boxes.
Skifi28
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The battery dying is not an issue, but rather the combination of a dead battery while not being able to go online. The actual problem is the "not being able to go online" part with your PS4/PS5 which is a hypothetical scenario that may or may not occur 10 to 20 years from now. Until then you can just change your battery and resume your playing as before, much like any part of your console breaking. I think it's a little soon to worry about something that is so far off, even with the PS3 you will still be able to go online despite the store closing down.
It's like me worrying what'll happen if steam suddenly closes down. It could happen tomorrow, or 10 years from now or never. I just think it's pointless to worry about something that may not affect you for the next few decades. For all we know they could also patch the clock check during end of life support for devices, or the PS6/7/8 plays all previous PS4 and upwards games so it's another non-issue. People just like to create worse-case scenarios and run with them.
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FatKingBallman
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Replacing battery is also a cheap solution. Batteries can be faulty too.
FatKingBallman
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People are stupid so much they don't know that you can replace the battery. :/ It's a damn issue.
Sony can close the stores. Even the servers aren't eternal.
It's in the agreement we all agreed to Sony has the right to do this cause, all of us signed a contract to them that saids they have the right to licences these games to you and can pull them away at any time or closing the store. People need to reat TOS!!!
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Mr Moose
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Kilau
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I agree with the sentiment but I don’t trust Sony to leave any services available if they don’t see a benefit to their bottom line.
Until they issue an update removing the online check I’ll assume my systems have a battery timed life span.
Shelookdlvl18
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See where it says "connect to the internet"? Untick it, you're welcome.
Mr Moose
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What? You don't need to connect to the internet with that unticked. Problem solved.
FatKingBallman
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Dude, Xbone, XSX/S is a brick until you connect it online for the first time. You need an online connect to get Xbox One disc games to work on XSeries
PS5 works without online at first startup. Later is a choice you want to be online or not
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MrTroubleMaker
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4theplayer
Zeroing
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Lol you’re the one deflecting and trying to imply Sony is destroying consoles on purpose! While going on how MS had put so much effort on their consoles...
go with your holy crusade! All that you write about fanboys applies to you too.
Don’t even bother replying, I see you are trying to push a fantasy narrative that MS are the good guys.
KingdomHeartsFan
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People saying "just replace the battery" have no clue what the actual problem is 
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.The PS4 will be the real test of this, here's hoping Sony have it in their heart to push a firmware to make this check not a requirement so the systems can continue to be of use well past the PSN servers closer for the platform. If they do that then this indeed will be a non-issue.
Nobody would patch this. It's a hardware design that literally is a non issue. It's a way of identifying the console and license. Wait until these people find out that a lot of PCs store their Windows 10 licence on ACPI tables and gasp! it would get wiped too if the "CMOS" battery dies.
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FatKingBallman
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People saying "just replace the battery" have no clue what the actual problem is
LOL.
Batteries are also faulty. And you can replace one and continue with playing. Battery surely can live 20 years, but problem are the servers which can be shut down and you can't access games anymore ( outside already bought games ) even with the right battery.
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KingdomHeartsFan
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Not once the servers are down.
It's a ridiculous flaw in the PS4 that can be fixed with a simple "stability" update. The fact it still exists in the PS5 hints that it might be by design. Anybody defending this is a lunatic.
No, you won't be able to play games on the system period, whether they're on disk or digital; the system is essentially bricked.
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FatKingBallman
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Of course when a servers are down you can't play it, LOL. Said in post before :
It's in the agreement we all agreed to Sony has the right to do this cause, all of us signed a contract to them that saids they have the right to licences these games to you and can pull them away at any time or closing the store. People need to reat TOS!!!
normalguy09x
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And why would psn servers be gone??? Where was the announcement that psn was going away? When Sony makes that announcement, then that's when people should be worried. Until then, this whole bios battery issue is really a non issue. Change the battery out (if it ever dies that is) turn your console on log back into psn and your fine. Every single computer on the planet that has a motherboard in it uses a bios/cmos battery, and if they die, the computer wont run either. Too many people act like Sony came up with some kinda evil bad scheme to screw people out of their games years from now or something when all along this is standard practice. PSN is not going anywhere, therefore PS3, PS4, and PS5 will be fine. Enough with the whining about the battery already.
Mr Moose
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Untick connect to the internet and it won't try to connect to any servers, so if/when the servers go down, you can still play your games in the post apocalyptic world.
MeatSafeMurderer
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Uh...no...you can't. The problem isn't that the battery stops working, it's that when it stops working the internal clock is wiped whenever power is cut and the only way to resynchronize it is to either hack your console or connect to PSN. Once connectivity for the PS4/PS5 is shut down replacing the battery will achieve nothing, the internal clock still won't be synced so games, both digital and disc, still won't work.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Lmao imagine being okay with all your licenses being pulled because a battery runs out in your console used to identify the time you got a trophy XD. You people will defend anything with a Playstation logo on it.
FatKingBallman
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Read the TOS. They can
FatKingBallman
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Nothing is eternal, battery, servers, console. What is your problem, hm? It has nothing to do with PS logo on it. LOL Bunch of electronic devices has CR battery, but for some reason, PS is the problem only for you. You're so transparent.
ShinraMiddleMananger
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RIP greatness- sad!
Nice try, tough guy, but you've failed reading comprehension.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Please tell me what's so transparent. Also "nothing is eternal" isn't a response XD.
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Mr Moose
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Tough guy? Lol.
If you don't need to connect to the internet with that unticked, what would be the issue? It seems like a simple fix for it, it won't try to connect to servers because you're telling it to stay offline.
It's the same when PSN goes down and there's the licence issues when it is expecting to connect, you just untick and you're good to go.
FatKingBallman
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Looks like you have a problem with CR battery in PS, but also CR battery exist in bunch of other electronic devices, but for some reason you see this a problem in PS platform in next 15 years or so. :/
Because if the battery dies, and you replace the battery, the system must connect to PSN before it lets you play games - disk or digital. The issue is if Sony has shut down PSN for the PS4 (like they are doing for the PS3 and their handhelds), you're screwed. Your trick won't work.
Because other devices won't brick after the battery is replaced until they hear back from the server. Just look at the Dreamcast, that little fucker still chugs along fine even if you replace the battery.
FatKingBallman
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Looks like bunch of Xbox fans AGAIN trying to blew up out of proportion and spin things obviously which is, actually quite normal in electronic devices.
Anyway, this guy explains it very good :
Anyway, this guy explains it very good :
KingdomHeartsFan
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Who cares if its in other devices? If a computer battery runs out I can replace it and the computer works, it doesn't need to connect to the internet and render everything unless.
FatKingBallman
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Dreamcast has something equivalent to trophies, digital store????
FatKingBallman
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So, PS5 also doesn't need connection to the internet because internet at initial startup isn't a required like on Xbox consoles.
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As I said earlier, the PS4 will be the testing ground, IF Sony push a firmware to disable these checks once they get rid of the store (something which they've done for the PS3 and Vita) then everything is cool. But it IS a design flaw once the servers are down and this hardware you own becomes a brick.
KingdomHeartsFan
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That has nothing to do with the battery topic...
lachesis
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To be honest, I don't mind changing out CMOS battery when it's time to - but I wish it was located somewhat easier place so that I don't have to take apart the whole thing.
I recently changed my PS3 Slim CMOS battery while I was replacing the super noisy, clicky fan. I had to go all the way down to the Motherboard, and had to re-apply thermals and all.
I did notice, that it had to re-connect to the PSN to authenticate my games. As long as the PSN is alive and active - I'm sure it won't be much of an issue, but recent store closing made me aware that it could be gone someday, and those purchases may be rendered useless in sometime in the future. Certainly hope that's not the case.
I recently changed my PS3 Slim CMOS battery while I was replacing the super noisy, clicky fan. I had to go all the way down to the Motherboard, and had to re-apply thermals and all.
I did notice, that it had to re-connect to the PSN to authenticate my games. As long as the PSN is alive and active - I'm sure it won't be much of an issue, but recent store closing made me aware that it could be gone someday, and those purchases may be rendered useless in sometime in the future. Certainly hope that's not the case.
Mr Moose
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Has it been fully tested with connect to the internet unticked after the battery has died? I'm tempted to remove my PS4s CMOS battery and try but I'll need a special screw driver I think.
reinking
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Let's just hope Sony keeps that as an option.
FatKingBallman
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It has. Because PS5 will work even if battery dies, but don't go the internet. And internet isn't required on PS5
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LazyParrot
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Why does every thread about this issue have to be full of people who do not even understand what the issue is?
No, replacing the battery won't help once the servers are down. To the system, removing the battery is the same as having it die, even if you replace it right afterwards. It will still require a connection to PSN to unlock access to your games, and if PSN is gone you're fucked.
No, replacing the battery won't help once the servers are down. To the system, removing the battery is the same as having it die, even if you replace it right afterwards. It will still require a connection to PSN to unlock access to your games, and if PSN is gone you're fucked.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Please explain how the console will know what time it is without the battery and without the internet?