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[Vaandaviii]

Wooow, PSP outsold PS2 which is in 6th year, what a great performance !!
Also in another note, Xbox 360 outsold Playstation in its 12th year, who said Xbox 360 flopped in Japan??

PS2 has been 6 years outselling almost everything, and you cant count with your fingers how many months would need X360 or GC to outsell a single PS2 month.

I think its not as trivial as "PSP outsold PS2 which is in 6th year, what a great performance !!"

 

[PhoenixDark]

The Brain Training concept has universal appeal. It is already hyped by its japanese phenomenal success in the medias. NOA will advertise this game more than any other in their lineup. And the game will only cost 20$. I wouldn't bet anything if I were you .

God darnit where's Drinky. I'd feel much better with this if he was here to support me. :lol

I do not think people are going to buy into this. Sure, it's going to get some sales at first, but I don't see gamers embracing this. I don't see "non gamers" being swept off their feet by this either.

 

[marc^o^]

I do not think people are going to buy into this.

Won't you buy it to see what it's all about? I know I will.

 

[Fuzzy]

Nintendo - as every other company - give us shipping numbers in their financial report (because that is what directly affects their financial situation) and therefore GC is no. 3 at the moment (the difference in shippings is about 2-3m afair and this fits the situation).

Actually the difference is about 3.5 million between units shipped.

GCN - 20.61 million shipped
XBOX - over 24 million shipped

 

[jamesinclair]

Actually the difference is about 3.5 million between units shipped.

GCN - 20.61 million shipped
XBOX - over 24 million shipped

The gap is closing!

 

[AniHawk]

The gap is closing!

If by closing, you mean widening.

 

[Taker666]

I don't think it become as big as Nintendogs (which its sales can easily reach 9m lifetime) , but I'm sure it experience huge success in western territories.
p.s. your second bet accepted

The only problem I see for the west is retail. Where would it sell?

I can't see the potential new buyers for Brain Training walking into Gamestop or EB. Walmart?

Perhaps Nintendo should try and get it into bookstore chains.

 

[metropolis]

it'll sell boatloads full at walmart.

 

[First Children]

God darnit where's Drinky. I'd feel much better with this if he was here to support me. :lol

I do not think people are going to buy into this. Sure, it's going to get some sales at first, but I don't see gamers embracing this. I don't see "non gamers" being swept off their feet by this either.

How are doing in the US sudoku, rebus and crossword puzzles?

Are quiz games like "who wants to be a millionare" popular there?

The only problem is PRICE, but adults usually don't have this problem as much as kids.

 

[Fuzzy]

If by closing, you mean widening.

MS stopped shipping Xbox's while Nintendo shipped 1.3 million GCN's in the last quarter (Oct-Dec) so it will surely close the gap!

 

[AniHawk]

MS stopped shipping Xbox's while Nintendo shipped 1.3 million GCN's in the last quarter (Oct-Dec) so it will surely close the gap!

Oh, well in that case...

Take THAT, Space Coyote!

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

In my opinion, Japan's software tastes are different than the US'. In Japan, Brain Training isn't even near the biggest Board Game-type game as far as sales go. They seem to be more open as to games in that vein, i.e. casino games, Quiz games, board games, Puzzlers, brain games, etc.

The US does not seem to be as open to those types of games.

Also, the PSP's sales are good, but it's the software sales that are abominable. Almost as abominable as me. Now, it may be because of prohibitative pricing, or the fact that it has many more capabilities aside gaming, but if Sony were to create the content, people will come. Monster Hunter P proved that there is definitely a capability of PSP games to kick some ass in sales, but not many PSP games have had extremely solid ratings and have been popular enough to kick sales. MHP has been the only game there in a while capable of doing so. WE had a shot before word got out that it sucked. Sony needs to uncover some big guns there.

Whereas the DS has had big Nintendo title after big Nintendo title there, and Tamagotchi too! It's definitely appealing to a wider demographic besides 'regular' gamers. That's been a main strength in DS sales, and it is also apparent in the type of games that sell well on the DS.

 

[Oblivion]

280-300k.

Damn, that's pretty weak. Hopefully CoM sells much better, and FFIII as well.

 

[AniHawk]

In my opinion, Japan's software tastes are different than the US'.

In my opinion, the sky is blue.

 

[tanasten]

Uh, just because games by Nintendo are amazing, doesn't mean the 3rd parties are giving up on it. If you look here:

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=64940&highlight=ds+party+software+psp

You'll see the DS has 9 3rd party games above 100k, and the PSP has 10, plus the DS has 11 3rd party games between 50k and 100k, to the PSP's 8, and one of the DS's is close to becoming a million seller, well closer than the PSP's possible million seller But to say third party games cannot sell on the DS is wrong. And to say the devs are going to focus on the PSP is also wrong. The DS is only going to get more support as more and more people get DSs.

Oh, and before anybody says that Bandai is part of Nintendo so isn't a third party, well they made 9 games for the PSP, so I don't think that's a good argument.

The problem is, Nintendo has to do all the work in order to make sucessful the DS, meanwhile PSP goes by the legs of third parties. That's the big diference. Ok, when 30 millions of DS are sold, everybody go to make DS games... that's not fair.

 

[TehOh]

I still think that the best thing they could do is include Brain Training as a pack-in game with the DSl. I think alot of people would be more likely to buy in if everything came in one package. It worked wonders when the original Game Boy was sold with Tetris.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

The problem is, Nintendo has to do all the work in order to make sucessful the DS, meanwhile PSP goes by the legs of third parties. That's the big diference. Ok, when 30 millions of DS are sold, everybody go to make DS games... that's not fair.

What in the fuck are you talking about.

 

[marc^o^]

I still think that the best thing they could do is include Brain Training as a pack-in game with the DSl.

There will be such a bundle in 2006, you can bet on it.

 

[meltpotato]

How are doing in the US sudoku, rebus and crossword puzzles?

Are quiz games like "who wants to be a millionare" popular there?

The only problem is PRICE, but adults usually don't have this problem as much as kids.

Sudoku has been rising in popularity. i see people doing in books on the train constantly. but the American mentality (especially for the average person i see doing sudoku) are not likely to buy a ds, especially for a single "game" on it. also, budget puzzle titles are percieved negatively here rather than japan where mah jong games launch with every console. id like to see it perform, but i worry that it will not. they target is not only not interested, but ties negative conotations to something like the DS.

 

[AniHawk]

What in the fuck are you talking about.

He's been sniffing the magicpaint.

 

[Fuzzy]

Also, the PSP's sales are good, but it's the software sales that are abominable. Almost as abominable as me. Now, it may be because of prohibitative pricing...

With the release of the 15-20th budget re-releases of PSP games next week (http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=83865) I don't think you can blame the price of PSP software.

 

[tanasten]

I still think that the best thing they could do is include Brain Training as a pack-in game with the DSl. I think alot of people would be more likely to buy in if everything came in one package. It worked wonders when the original Game Boy was sold with Tetris.

You're un true. DSLite + Brain Age at 130 and the system will sell like hotcakes. Also, restore Nintendogs packs, they would be selling like hot cakes now like in Europe.

NOA are plenty of retardeds.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Damn, that's pretty weak. Hopefully CoM sells much better, and FFIII as well.

Mmm...

Seiken Densetsu 4 should be bigger than SD DS: Children of Mana.

Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES) - 647,288
Legend of Mana (PSX) - 707,409
Sword of Mana (GBA) - 278,644

 

[marc^o^]

they target is not only not interested, but ties negative conotations to something like the DS.

I think you're right on this. Brain Training would need to be released in the same timeframe as the DS Lite to sell to adult/seniors non gamers.

 

[Fuzzy]

Sudoku has been rising in popularity. i see people doing in books on the train constantly. but the American mentality (especially for the average person i see doing sudoku) are not likely to buy a ds, especially for a single "game" on it. also, budget puzzle titles are percieved negatively here rather than japan where mah jong games launch with every console. id like to see it perform, but i worry that it will not. they target is not only not interested, but ties negative conotations to something like the DS.

It's getting so popular that I've started seeing Sudoku machine infomercials on tv.

 

[Oblivion]

Mmm...

Seiken Densetsu 4 should be bigger than SD DS: Children of Mana.

Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES) - 647,288
Legend of Mana (PSX) - 707,409
Sword of Mana (GBA) - 278,644

What system is Seiken Densetsu 4 coming out on?

 

[mutsu]

What system is Seiken Densetsu 4 coming out on?

PS2

 

[metropolis]

Mmm...

Seiken Densetsu 4 should be bigger than SD DS: Children of Mana.

Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES) - 647,288
Legend of Mana (PSX) - 707,409
Sword of Mana (GBA) - 278,644

good comparison.. but sword of mana seemed like real crap to me so maybe it'll do better than that one.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

PS2 powered by Havok engine ><

PD: btw, I wonder when its coming...

 

[meltpotato]

I think you're right on this. Brain Training would need to be released in the same timeframe as the DS Lite to sell to adult/seniors non gamers.

I think that thinking even 0.5% of the over 55 US population (id assume that the sudoku player skews both female and 55+) would be some kind of bizzare miracle. they would most-likely have been bought by relatives and used maybe twice by the reciever. its a cultural barrier that i dont see beign climbed. honestly, i think the best target for brain training in the US in late high school/early college students who are either curious or want to polish their ego.

 

[jj984jj]

Mmm...

Seiken Densetsu 4 should be bigger than SD DS: Children of Mana.

Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES) - 647,288
Legend of Mana (PSX) - 707,409
Sword of Mana (GBA) - 278,644

The Japanese market is still nowhere near as big as it was in the pre-PSX/N64 era, I doubt either Mana game will sell as well as the the first 4. Though they have a good chance of outselling the GBA game since the market is starting to get big again.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

With the release of the 15-20th budget re-releases of PSP games next week (http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=83865) I don't think you can blame the price of PSP software.

The PSP itself is almost double the DS' price,and re-releases of semi-old games haven't generally sold well ever. Not many major games on the PSP have came into the market as attractively priced games.

And that's not taking into account that the re-release price is still probably higher in price than the second-hand market's first-edition version of the games.

In my opinion, the sky is blue.

And BTW Thanks for the intelligent contribution. I haven't seen you post that wisely in... forever!

 

[RaijinFY]

Seiken 3 sales are pretty weak considering the quality of the game and the number that Seiken 2 performed in its time(~1.5M). Legend of Mana did a really good number though.
Sword of Mana sales are disappointing but as much as the game so no really big surprises here.
Seiken 4 seems not to be a traditional Seiken game and I think it's pretty safe to assume It will not perform like its predecessors.

 

[marc^o^]

The PSP itself is almost double the DS' price

PSP: 210$, DS: 130$ => 62% more expensive to be precise, the price gap is smaller in Japan than in the rest of the world.

 

[meltpotato]

Seiken 3 sales are pretty weak considering the quality of the game and the number that Seiken 2 performed in its time(~1.5M). Legend of Mana did a really good number though.
Sword of Mana sales are disappointing but as much as the game so no really big surprises here.
Seiken 4 seems not to be a traditional Seiken game and I think it's pretty safe to assume It will not perform like its predecessors.

im a Seiken fan so im not trolling here but.. Seiken 4 looks like absolute BOMBA material. CoM is a different story however.

 

[AniHawk]

And BTW Thanks for the intelligent contribution. I haven't seen you post that wisely in... forever!

Thank you.

 

[RaijinFY]

im a Seiken fan so im not trolling here but.. Seiken 4 looks like absolute BOMBA material. CoM is a different story however.

QFT! WTF Ishii is thinking here?? Seiken 4 looks like a piece of crap...

EDIT: Ishii wasnt able to give a decent explanation to the use of a physic engine (Havok) in this game. Plus it's not anymore an A-RPG but a Zelda-like... lame!

 

[GaimeGuy]

PSP: 210$, DS: 130$ => 38% more expensive to be precise, the price gap is smaller in Japan than in the rest of the world.

wait, what? 130 * 1.38 = 210?

 

[marc^o^]

My mistake, not 2x but 1.62 more expensive. I do need Brain Training :lol

 

[John Harker]

When is SD4 set to launch, and has it been confirmed for NA yet?

 

[I <3 Katamari]

The problem is, Nintendo has to do all the work in order to make sucessful the DS, meanwhile PSP goes by the legs of third parties. That's the big diference. Ok, when 30 millions of DS are sold, everybody go to make DS games... that's not fair.

You never make any sense.

It's not going to happen, period.

Brain Training is going to flop in the US. Some people (GAFfers and Nfans) will buy it just because, but it will not be a hit by any definition of the word.

You seem to enjoy pretending to know things as fact.

I am trying my hardest to come up with some kind of bet I can make on this game that does not involve a ban. GOD darnit. I would say give me a tag that makes me look like a loser, but...yeah.

Nono, make a ban bet, please. If it doesn't flop, then you get banned for a month! If you really though it wasn't going to happen, PERIOD, you'd have no problem with that bet.

 

[meltpotato]

Nono, make a ban bet, please. If it doesn't flop, then you get banned for a month! If you really though it wasn't going to happen, PERIOD, you'd have no problem with that bet.

i believe he was told that he will be banned for good next time he wagers a ban.

i think most people are skeptical about brain trainings potential in the states.

 

[mj1108]

i believe he was told that he will be banned for good next time he wagers a ban.

i think most people are skeptical about brain trainings potential in the states.

Someone needs to bookmark this thread for the NPD when Brain Training starts up here....

 

[PhoenixDark]

i believe he was told that he will be banned for good next time he wagers a ban.

i think most people are skeptical about brain trainings potential in the states.

QFT

If that was not the case, I would probably be more cocky here. But my life line is in danger, so I'm not taking chances again. :lol

Katamari: It's just my opinion obviously, not fact. I just don't see this game doing anything in the US.

 

[meltpotato]

Someone needs to bookmark this thread for the NPD when Brain Training starts up here....

haha. when it does release, there will be plenty of crow to eat. Id be more than happy to be proven wrong. Seems like a great concept and id love to see more people brought into the gaming fold. I welcome being proven wrong with open arms. :lol

 

[Fuzzy]

Yay, Next Generation didn't make a mistake with the weekly HW numbers (I think this is only the second time).

 

[cvxfreak]

Famitsu hardware for LAST WEEK.

Famitsu and MC's numbers just about fit together.

 

[Fuzzy]

Famitsu hardware for LAST WEEK.

Famitsu and MC's numbers just about fit together.

Why didn't you just post "for the week ending February 12th"? You know there are morons here who'll think saying LAST week means the week ending February 19th.

 

[cvxfreak]

Why didn't you just post "for the week ending February 12th"? You know there are morons here who'll think saying LAST week means the week ending February 19th.

Reggie: "Not my problem."

 

[jj984jj]

Why didn't you just post "for the week ending February 12th"? You know there are morons here who'll think saying LAST week means the week ending February 19th.

That's exactly why we don't post Famitsu numbers at all.