-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
- Thread starter shinobi602
- Start date
Are people unironically suggesting MS will stream video from kinect to their servers so the government can spy on you? Really?
Do you realize that sort of thing would be easily detected by any rudimentary packet analysis? That the lawsuits would destroy the company? Not to mention the infra-structure needed for that kind of thing.
As shitty as some MS decisions for the next gen might be we're veering into insane, black-helicopter-lizardmen-alien-jews territory now.
Do you realize that sort of thing would be easily detected by any rudimentary packet analysis? That the lawsuits would destroy the company? Not to mention the infra-structure needed for that kind of thing.
As shitty as some MS decisions for the next gen might be we're veering into insane, black-helicopter-lizardmen-alien-jews territory now.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I never claimed as much. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion based on my posts. I haven't spoken about the next xbox always being online, we were initially discussing patents, the mindset they point to, etc. Not sure how we reached this tangent.
Im not gonna come off condescending or brash. But lets not pretend our government is so holier than thou untouchable status...
We are blessed enough to have a right to free speech in our country and everyone should feel free to exercise that right. I've seen some comments in here that seem to support the idea that the government CANT do anything shady or wrong. And that everybody with any alternative idea is LOL Tinfoil Hat.
Expand your mind. Life isnt Black and White. Its definitely not Binary either... View an argument from both sides. Imagine the possibility and plausibility of said argument.
Nobodys saying RAWR RAWR, Government always bad! Hulk smash them all.
We are just saying. The technology exists now, Why wouldn't they try to use it if it could help their ulterior motives. If confirmed, MS is opening a backwoods gateway to your LIVING ROOM
We are blessed enough to have a right to free speech in our country and everyone should feel free to exercise that right. I've seen some comments in here that seem to support the idea that the government CANT do anything shady or wrong. And that everybody with any alternative idea is LOL Tinfoil Hat.
Expand your mind. Life isnt Black and White. Its definitely not Binary either... View an argument from both sides. Imagine the possibility and plausibility of said argument.
Nobodys saying RAWR RAWR, Government always bad! Hulk smash them all.
We are just saying. The technology exists now, Why wouldn't they try to use it if it could help their ulterior motives. If confirmed, MS is opening a backwoods gateway to your LIVING ROOM
But it's hilarious. Only a fool would buy it if that's their intention.
There was a topic in the ot forum asking people if they thought webcams built in computers were spying on them. You wouldn't believe how many people put tape over their camera.
Yeah. Some serious Inception shit in that thread.
False
DO IT!
This is why I stay out of OT.
Neuromancer
Member
Duxxy3
Member
I've worked at few companies doing IT and you would be completely amazed at how many laptops I have worked on with tap on the webcam.
UberTag
Member
As someone who's job it's been for the past 5 years to compile that paid data into reports Microsoft can use to make meaningful business decisions, I can say unequivocally that I wish they'd listen to what the data tells them much more than they do right now.
Or, to put it more accurately, the data IS actioned upon but the path that should be taken is so distorted between levels of management due to communication breakdowns both within Microsoft and outsourced third-party vendors that they might as well be throwing darts at a dartboard.
How many masturbating dudes have you seen?
Edit oh you meant tape not tap. I thought you were implying some tapping program was on the laptop
Last I heard he was entertaining an offer from Ocean Marketing.
They probably are throwing darts at the board in some respects. See what sticks to gain momentum.
I know, I love it.
Do you disbelieve news reports from credible sources that hacking webcams has become a thing for hackers to do in the past few years?
Do you disbelieve Superdave's claims that he was able to hack Microsoft?
Do you think noone on this planet exists with superior skill and more dubious morals than Superdave?
Good post.
GAF Hates Hubris and yet looking at some of the posts in this thread, some have become what they hate most without realizing it, all in the name of righteous indignation.
Boss Man
Member
There is a huge difference between video spying and data mining. Even terms like data mining and privacy are only related, they aren't different sides of one coin.
I am almost positive that if the next Xbox is always online, data mining will be a huge reason for it. But just like when Google tells you about singles in your area, that doesn't mean you're going to get killed by a predator drone.
No, they really hate Microsoft that much that they are willing to suspend rational judgment when it comes to stuff like that. It's happened in previous Durango threads too. At most it'll be an opt-in customer service improvement program if they don't clearly mark it otherwise.
Nobodys saying MS will literally do this. We are saying the technology exists now. The possibility is REAL now. (If rumor of functionality is confirmed of course..)
I feel like everybody joining late in this thread is gonna miss the discussion points by a long shot... but let the dogpile commence!!!
Guess you missed the thread about an unsecured webcam website where GAF watched a old dude wack off.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This is a good post.
I'll say I take no pleasure in his being sacked, if it does indeed happen/has happened, I do feel it will be justified and it's something the blame of which will lay solely at the feet of Adam Orth.
He should have understood the environment in which he was making those comments, the rumours that have been swirling about the next xbox and it came less than a couple of days after the Kotaku story where it was revealed next xbox games will need an online connection to start.
He threw petrol on an already blazing fire. He had to have known on some level what he was doing and how his comments would be interpreted.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I missed it. Link to the thread in question?
Valkyria
Banned
The money would not be in streaming your living room to redmond, but in knowing that a 3 member family in New York enjoys Disney movies the most, and selling Disney publicity to them at a higher cost.
Not saying this is going to happen, but If it would, that is what it will be.
Not saying this is going to happen, but If it would, that is what it will be.
Alx
Member
Indeed. And the only new info that kinect could bring is the number 3. Everything else they already know through your account information and purchase history.
I'm sorry but the mere suggestion of this is idiotic. Any rational analysis will inform you how the idea makes no sense from a tech, financial and legal sense.
It's possible MS implements some sort of data mining into kinect, which you explicitly have to consent to. Anything more, If they streamed unauthorized video somewhere, you can be sure it would be detected the first day the system is out there, with massive repercussions.
Honey Bunny
Member
If the rumours pan out, that really does seem to be the case. It's quite worrying, to put it lightly.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Thank you.
YouEnjoyMySelf
Banned
I play CS:GO quite a bit, and have had very few disconnections. These games also require online, as opposed to playing a steam game that is single player in offline mode.
LOL
Sigh. Thanks for ruining the levity but it had to be done.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Computer farms can spy on them though. NVIDIA had a keynote at some GPU convention recently. They showed a ton of GPU image recognition stuff that blew my mind. Computers can do so much stuff from figuring out songs with just a 5 second sample, facial recognition, understand and answer your verbal questions, a lot of the stuff these computers do is done in the blink of a eye. Who knows what they have planned with a better kinect. Kinect can probably pinpoint anyone that frequent your house without them scanning themself in a game. Julie can have data being tracked by Kinect without her knowing.
Microsoft may be looking for a data collection agent like google has it's search engine, and whatnot. I don't know how bing is doing, MS is getting beat on a lot of stuff. If people end up going to Linux (lol) what will happen?
I am so turned on right now.
The world would be a better place with an open operating system powering most of the personal computing devices, just like the internet is better for being open and not owned by one company.
Can you imagine if a single huge corporation controlled the code that runs the internet. Yuck.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Caught up with the thread once again. Everything has gone full circle.
What the fuck.
My mind is being blown right now.
The bit about the girl with the illness dying is super weird. That guy must have had a cocktail of emotions at that point.
I kept saying MS isn't this stupid, now I'm thinking, "maybe" they are with the always online stuff.
To join in the conspiracy speak, what if Durango's kinect would spy on us to see what our favorite kinds of drinks/snacks are, then in turn we get blasted with ads that relate to said products? What if our info of this is not used by MS for ads, but sold off to said companies along with our email via some sleezy wording in the ToS of the console?
Crazy stuff to think about.
To join in the conspiracy speak, what if Durango's kinect would spy on us to see what our favorite kinds of drinks/snacks are, then in turn we get blasted with ads that relate to said products? What if our info of this is not used by MS for ads, but sold off to said companies along with our email via some sleezy wording in the ToS of the console?
Crazy stuff to think about.
*jealous* I should've used a title when I posted that link.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Wouldn't work on consoles. How would they get you to download, install the RAT program on a closed network like Xbox Live?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
The worst thing GAF can do is criticize you for what you've done. Whether or not he loses his job over the debacle has nothing to do with GAF - that responsibility falls directly under Microsoft, and Microsoft alone.
Mavromatis
Member
As the next Sims 3 stuff pack? I don't know that is their problem but I think they will and there is a huge history of security getting breached by really simple methods. Also how will the Xbox operate on a closed network, I thought they were using the internet not a special network.
The idea is that they altered the entire weapons system from the previous games in order to make it easier to monetize for DLC purposes.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm sorry, I don't understand your post. Can you elaborate further.
They didn't. The base game gives you more than enough resources to build weapons. DLC is there for those who want don't want to or can't be bothered to collect those resources throughout the game.
aw yeah backorifice, I remember that. Subseven, at my computer science study people were always trying to infect other people (and fail, cause it was computer science). I thought everyone would have some idea of it by now, but apparently not. A few years ago a guy in my country was arrested because he 'fixed' pretty girls' iphones. He told them that they needed moisture to heal so they should take their phones with them into the bathroom when they showered. My mind was conflicted over whether he was a sad perv or brilliant to get them to do it.