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[jarrod]

Looking at their stuff, I've realized Nintendo's pushed more new IPs in this generation than since they started... here's the list post NES (which obviously had lots of new IPs off the bat).

Notes:
-only Nintendo owned properties count
-listing is in regards to American market specifically (older JP can count)
-no brands based off existing properties or licenses (sports games, Wario, etc)

2nd Generation (1991-1995)
-F-Zero (1991)
-Pilotwings (1991)
-Super Scope 6 (1992)
-Wave Race (1992)
-Battleclash (1992)
-Kirby (1992)
-Star Fox (1993)
-Stunt Race FX (1994)
-Tin Star (1994)
-Uniracers (1994)
-Earthbound (1995)

3rd Generation (1996-2000)
-Cruis'n USA (1996)
-Mole Mania (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)
-Pokémon (1998)

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Advance Wars (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Animal Crossing (2002)
-Fire Emblem (2003)
-Custom Robo (2004)
-Polarium (2005)
-Geist (2005)
-Nintendogs (2005)
-Trace Memory (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)

 

[GaimeGuy]

Looking at their stuff, I've realized Nintendo's pushed more new IPs in this generation than since they started... here's the list post NES (which obviously had lots of new IPs off the bat).

Notes:
-only Nintendo owned properties count
-listing is in regards to American market specifically (older JP can count)
-no brands based off existing properties or licenses (sports games, Wario, etc)

2nd Generation (1991-1995)
-F-Zero (1991)
-Pilotwings (1991)
-Super Scope 6 (1992)
-Wave Race (1992)
-Battleclash (1992)
-Kirby (1992)
-Star Fox (1993)
-Stunt Race FX (1994)
-Tin Star (1994)
-Uniracers (1994)
-Earthbound (1995)

3rd Generation (1996-2000)
-Cruis'n USA (1996)
-Mole Mania (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)
-Pokémon (1998)

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Advance Wars (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Animal Crossing (2002)
-Fire Emblem (2003)
-Custom Robo (2004)
-Polarium (2005)
-Geist (2005)
-Trace Memory (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)

TBH, the Wars series has been around since the Famicom, AC was on the N64, FE has bee naround since the famicom, so has custom robo, and chibi robo is just a spinoff of custom robo

EDIT I'M AN IDIOT

 

[turok4n64]

oh how I wish Magical Vacation was on that list

 

[Ruud_Luiten]

The dogs are coming!

 

[Vandiger]

Uh this is for consoles or portables? Since some of those titles have been around for quite awhile

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Uh this is for consoles or portables? Since some of those titles have been around for quite awhile

-listing is in regards to American market specifically (older JP can count)

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[The Faceless Master]

making it US only just skews the results to make it look like more this gen when it's not

 

[Acosta]

Uh this is for consoles or portables? Since some of those titles have been around for quite awhile

To read or not to read, that is the question

listing is in regards to American market specifically

making it US only just skews the results to make it look like more this gen when it's not

Only Fire Emblem and Advance Wars would be out from that list. And in that case you should have to add Giftpia and Doshin, so big deal (at least you consider Animal Crossing and Doshin as Nintendo 64, that would be legit).

Edit: I completely forgot Tomato, Magical Vacation and so Jarrod point is completely good for me.

 

[KnotLikely]

UNIRACERS... now that was a game.

 

[jarrod]

making it US only just skews the results to make it look like more this gen when it's not

No actually, it skews data out of it's favor (Tomato Adventure, Giftpia, Magical Vacation, Starfi, etc).

 

[jgkspsx]

If you start a new generation for the DS, though, your assertion is no longer true. But then you include Kirby even though the NES version was published in the US. So I guess I'm confused.

Edit: I think dividing them by platform might be more useful, no?

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Advance Wars (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Animal Crossing (2002)
-Fire Emblem (2003)
-Custom Robo (2004)
-Geist (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)

5th Generation (2005-?)
-Nintendogs (2005)
-Polarium (2005)
-Trace Memory (2005)

 

[jarrod]

If you start a new generation for the DS, though, your assertion is no longer true. But then you include Kirby even though the NES version was published in the US. So I guess I'm confused.

DS isn't so much a "next gen" Game Boy as it is a "between generation" complimentary product (like Virtual Boy or Pokemon Mini). Kirby's Dreamland came out on GB in 1992, that's why it's 2nd gen (I'm going by time periods mainly, not platforms).

 

[AniHawk]

Another party had more to do with GS than Nintendo did. And I think the same goes for Odama, Geist, Trace Memory, and ED.

 

[Dan]

Nintendo used to own most of the Rare franchises though, right? So that's a bit unfair. Yeah, things have changed, but Nintendo was still introducing new brands at the time. That third generation isn't as weak as it now appears on these conditions.

 

[Acosta]

Another party had more to do with GS than Nintendo did. And I think the same goes for Odama, Geist, Trace Memory, and ED.

As far as there are second party games published by Nintendo and owned for them, they are part of Nintendo line.

Nintendo used to own most of the Rare franchises though, right?

Conditions says that only IPs owned by Nintendo appear at the list and KI, Banjo and so are not owned by Nintendo anymore.

 

[Juice]

If you start a new generation for the DS, though, your assertion is no longer true. But then you include Kirby even though the NES version was published in the US. So I guess I'm confused.

I think general time periods is more useful. It's interesting to me, because I really agree Nintendo's been opening themselves up more to trying out more new IP and expanding their level of development risk (who knows how much is thanks to Yamauchi's Fund Q).

And if you ask for GAF's concensus, the DS and the PSP belong to entirely different generations, which means that the DS must be current generation hardware.

 

[Link316]

by more new brands I hope they mean more new brands created by their internal teams rather than just publishing more games created by other developers or their 2nd parties

 

[AniHawk]

by more new brands I hope they mean more new brands created by their internal teams rather than just publishing more games created by other developers or their 2nd parties

You "hope?"

 

[jgkspsx]

Another party had more to do with GS than Nintendo did. And I think the same goes for Odama, Geist, Trace Memory, and ED.

Isn't that also true for StarFox (at inception), Uniracers, Cruis'n USA as well?

 

[Dan]

Conditions says that only IPs owned by Nintendo appear at the list and KI, Banjo and so are not owned by Nintendo anymore.

I know that. My point is that Jarrod's conclusion that Nintendo is introducing more new brands now than they have since the first generation is more than a little skewed.

 

[jarrod]

If we look strictly at NCL done stuff it's...

2nd Generation (1991-1995)
-F-Zero (1991)
-Pilotwings (1991)
-Wave Race (1992)


3rd Generation (1996-2000)
-Mole Mania (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)


4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Animal Crossing (2002)
-Nintendogs (2005)

 

[Acosta]

by more new brands I hope they mean more new brands created by their internal teams rather than just publishing more games created by other developers or their 2nd parties

Again, no, properties belong to Nintendo and that games were created beacuse Nintendo´s will. They put people, resources and money on them.

 

[Juice]

Isn't that also true for StarFox (at inception), Uniracers, Cruis'n USA as well?

Come to think of it, isn't the Cruis'n series a Midway property? Maybe I'm just way off base...

I thought Nintendo just published the arcade unit because it was so huge and basically a demo of the N64 hardware.

Someone please correct me.

 

[jgkspsx]

I think Nintendo publishing second- and third-party developed games is an important thing to watch this generation. That they don't own the IP is a little less important (Meteos).

Do they really own Polarium trademarks?

 

[Link316]

You "hope?"

I'm not as anti-Nintendo as you think I am

 

[jarrod]

Come to think of it, isn't the Cruis'n series a Midway property? Maybe I'm just way off base...

Nope, it's a Midway/Nintendo property. Why do you think it's not in any of the recent Arcade Collections and no Cruis'n games ever hit PlayStation 1/2, Dreamcast or Xbox?

Do they really own Polarium trademarks?

Yep. Poor Mitchell.

 

[Link316]

Again, no, properties belong to Nintendo and that games were created beacuse Nintendo´s will. They put people, resources and money on them.

that's your criteria for what you consider new Nintendo brands, jarrod has his, and I have mine

 

[jarrod]

that's your criteria for what you consider new Nintendo brands, jarrod has his, and I have mine

I'm no lawyer but most would consider "Nintendo brands" anything that Nintendo owns I'd think.

 

[Dan]

I'm no lawyer but most would consider "Nintendo brands" anything that Nintendo owns I'd think.

It's still a messed up look at what Nintendo's pushed in each generation. Just because they don't have the rights anymore doesn't mean they weren't once putting a lot of new brands on the street. If you did this in 2000 or 2001 the third generation would look far, far more prolific in comparison.

What you're doing is analyzing what brands Nintendo currently owns and when they debuted. That's a lot different than measuring the number of original brands Nintendo pushed during each generation, which is what you're claiming to do, or at least drawing your conclusions from.

 

[Jonk]

What about the mario spinoffs?

Mario Kart
Mario Party
Mario "enter a sport here"
Super Smash Brothers
Dr. Mario (came on NES but during SNES era)

Also, Yoshi would be his own series as well that kinda started with Super Mario world then got his own gaming, Yoshi's Island, then later, Yoshi's Story.

Electroplankton

 

[jarrod]

It's still a messed up look at what Nintendo's pushed in each generation. Just because they don't have the rights anymore doesn't mean they weren't once putting a lot of new brands on the street. If you did this in 2000 or 2001 the third generation would look far, far more prolific in comparison.

What you're doing is analyzing what brands Nintendo currently owns and when they debuted. That's a lot different than measuring the number of original brands Nintendo pushed during each generation, which is what you're claiming to do, or at least drawing your conclusions from.

True... here's the list with added Rare properties...


2nd Generation (1991-1995)
-F-Zero (1991)
-Pilotwings (1991)
-Super Scope 6 (1992)
-Wave Race (1992)
-Battleclash (1992)
-Kirby (1992)
-Star Fox (1993)
-Stunt Race FX (1994)
-Tin Star (1994)
-Uniracers (1994)
-Earthbound (1995)
-Killer Instinct (1995)

3rd Generation (1996-2000)
-Cruis'n USA (1996)
-Blast Corps (1997)
-Mole Mania (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)
-Banjo-Kazooie (1998)
-Pokémon (1998)
-Conker (1999)
-Jet Force Gemini (1999)
-Perfect Dark (2000)

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Advance Wars (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Animal Crossing (2002)
-Fire Emblem (2003)
-Custom Robo (2004)
-Polarium (2005)
-Geist (2005)
-Trace Memory (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Electroplankton (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)
-Jam with the Band (tba)

 

[thestopsign]

I didn't read all the posts but if you count the rest of the 2nd Party games the 3rd Generation isn't as bad as it seems. Banjo Kazooie, Golden Eye, and Perfect Dark. Just as the above poster listed them. Those were some of the best games I have ever played.

Oh, and you forgot Super Mario Kart for the 2nd generation.

 

[Acosta]

Oh, and you forgot Super Mario Kart for the 2nd generation.

-no brands based off existing properties or licenses (sports games, Wario, etc)

Golden Eye

-no brands based off existing properties or licenses (sports games, Wario, etc)

I didn't read all the posts

I see...

If you add Jam with the Band, would Electroplakton be on the list as well?

 

[DarienA]

True... here's the list with added Rare properties...

And what's your new conclusion with the revised list?

 

[Kiriku]

jarrod, if you want this thread to be about new IPs, why not go Japanese only in your list without any limitations caused by NOA?

 

[Acosta]

And what's your new conclusion with the revised list?

Wouldn´t be the same one? I´m not a great mathematic but...

Maybe we could ask to the NASA to compute all the possible variants on the list to feel happy ourselves

I think the statement is still true. My conclusion is that Nintendo is a more creative company than it was at third generation.

 

[jarrod]

I see...

If you add Jam with the Band, would Electroplakton be on the list as well?

Yep! Can't believe I forgot it!

And what's your new conclusion with the revised list?

Uh, pretty much the same. Nintendo gets way too much crap about not bringing in new IPs.

jarrod, if you want this thread to be about new IPs, why not go Japanese only in your list without any limitations caused by NOA?

Eh, because I live in America... though just for fun here's things from the JP perspective...

2nd Generation (1990-1996)
-F-Zero (1990)
-Pilotwings (1990)
-Solar Striker (1990)
-Radar Mission (1990)
-Wave Race (1992)
-Kaeru no Tameni (1992)
-Kirby (1992)
-X (1992)
-Joy Mecha Fight (1993)
-Star Fox (1993)
-Super Scope 6 (1993)
-Space Bazooka (1993)
-Wild Trax (1994)
-Panel de Pon (1995)
-Marvellous (1996)

3rd Generation (1996-2001)
-Pocket Monsters (1996)
-Mole Mania (1996)
-Blast Dozer (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)
-Mini 4WD Let's & Go! (1998)
-Banjo & Kazooie (1998)
-Sutte Hakkun (1999)
-Star Twins (1999)
-Doshin (1999)
-Custom Robo (1999)
-Card Hero (2000)
-CheCha Alien (2000)
-Perfect Dark (2000)
-Sin & Punishment (2000)
-Monster Tactics (2000)
-Animal Forest (2001)

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Kururuin (2001)
-Napoleon (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Magical Vacation (2001)
-Tomato Adventure (2002)
-Animal Leader (2002)
-Happy Panechu! (2002)
-Starfi (2002)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Giftpia (2003)
-Band Bros (2004)
-Hitofude (2004)
-Another Code (2005)
-Sennen Kazoku (2005)
-Electroplankton (2005)
-Nintendogs (2005)
-Geist (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)

 

[Kiriku]

Eh, because I live in America... though just for fun here's things from the JP perspective...

Meh, like living in America ever was a hindrance for posting lists of Japanese games before?
I mean...if it's really a thread about new IPs from Nintendo it doesn't make sense to have NOA as limiting factor. In that case, it would be more proper to say it's a thread about new IPs that NOA decided to release in America.

I think the best would be to create a list covering all the new brands worldwide.

Thanks for the new list BTW.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Yep! Can't believe I forgot it!



Uh, pretty much the same. Nintendo gets way too much crap about not bringing in new IPs.



Eh, because I live in America... though just for fun here's things from the JP perspective...

2nd Generation (1990-1996)
-F-Zero (1990)
-Pilotwings (1990)
-Solar Striker (1990)
-Radar Mission (1990)
-Wave Race (1992)
-Kaeru no Tameni (1992)
-Kirby (1992)
-X (1992)
-Joy Mecha Fight (1993)
-Star Fox (1993)
-Super Scope 6 (1993)
-Space Bazooka (1993)
-Wild Trax (1994)
-Panel de Pon (1995)
-Marvellous (1996)

3rd Generation (1996-2001)
-Pocket Monsters (1996)
-Mole Mania (1996)
-Blast Dozer (1997)
-1080° Snowboarding (1998)
-Mini 4WD Let's & Go! (1998)
-Banjo & Kazooie (1998)
-Sutte Hakkun (1999)
-Star Twins (1999)
-Doshin (1999)
-Custom Robo (1999)
-Card Hero (2000)
-CheCha Alien (2000)
-Perfect Dark (2000)
-Sin & Punishment (2000)
-Monster Tactics (2000)
-Animal Forest (2001)

4th Generation (2001-2005)
-Kururuin (2001)
-Napoleon (2001)
-Golden Sun (2001)
-Pikmin (2001)
-Magical Vacation (2001)
-Tomato Adventure (2002)
-Animal Leader (2002)
-Happy Panechu! (2002)
-Starfi (2002)
-Eternal Darkness (2002)
-Giftpia (2003)
-Band Bros (2004)
-Hitofude (2004)
-Another Code (2005)
-Sennen Kazoku (2005)
-Electroplankton (2005)
-Nintendogs (2005)
-Geist (2005)
-Screw Breaker (2005)
-Chibi Robo (2005)
-Odama (2005)

So much for "America only!" skewing the list in Nintendo's favor. :lol

 

[VerTiGo]

Does Nintendo own the property to Eternal Darkness?

 

[DarienA]

I'd like to see sales of those new IPs.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Does Nintendo own the property to Eternal Darkness?

yeah, I'm pretty sure they do. at the end of the credits, it says all rights to the game, including scenario, code, music, etc, was copyright by Nintendo.

 

[jarrod]

Well, this gen Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Pikmin, Animal Crossing & Fire Emblem have all moved over a million copies worldwide. Not bad really.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'm pretty sure every starfi game (there were... 3 I think) moved about 300k-350k in Japan, the only territory they were released in.

 

[Alcibiades]

this reminds me of NBC's summer slogan as they attempted to reach viewers during the traditionally slow season

"IT'S NEW TO YOU!"

basically, it meant that if you missed it during the fall/spring/sweep times, catching it in the summer would be like watching it new...

anyway, I do think Nintendo deserves a lot of credit for finally pushing a lot of new franchises and concepts in addition to their traditional stuff...

No game company has matched what they have done this gen, with so much diversity and classic games...

 

[Teddman]

Good Lord, Nintendo DOES NOT deserve credit this generation for pushing new franchises, at least not their own. It's been a lot of sequels and scant new internal stuff, especially on GameCube.

 

[jarrod]

Good Lord, Nintendo DOES NOT deserve credit this generation for pushing new franchises, at least not their own. It's been a lot of sequels and scant new internal stuff, especially on GameCube.

Nintendo's pushed more new brands since 2001 than Sega has. Nearly twice as many actually.

 

[Teddman]

No way. Include the Dreamcast in that figure and fuhgeddabout it.

 

[John Harker]

The only completly original first party GC IP Nintendo came up with this generation was Pikmin.

An entire hardware generation, one IP.
So far.

 

[Dupy]

Well Capcom has been no slouch this generation, they've been in pretty good form lately. New IPs (including Dreamcast):
- Devil May Cry
- Killer 7
- Okami
- P.N.03
- Viewtiful Joe
- Chaos Legion
- Auto Modellista
- Maximo
- Powerstone
- Onimusha
- Cannon Spike
- Gotcha Force
- Tech Romancer
- Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

Of course in classic Capcom form they've whored these out into sequel hell, but at least they're not all SF/RE/Mega Man, all the time.