CadetMahoney
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NPD March 2012 Sales Results [Up3: ME3 Total, Binary Domain]
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Have you played one? Feels great, looks great, plays great. It's just missing the games. But so is 3DS imo.
ElectricBlanketFire
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
There's nothing Sony and Nintendo can do to draw people away from their cell phones. Cell phones offera level of socialization that Nintendo and Sony will never be able to achieve. It doesn't matter what brand of smartphone you own, everyone can still get on the same Facebook, message each other, and more and more often challenge one another in games like Scramble with Friends.
On top of that noone feels awkward whipping out a smartphone in public. I have no problems playing Plants vs Zombies while waiting for my daughter's play to start, but I'd feel like silly playing a 3DS in public.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
Me3 sold a mere 1.18m units? Thats pathetic really given the marketing.
Nintendo and Sony should join forces if they want handhelds to survive. Sony's hardware with Nintendo's software? The world would not survive.
Everything that's wrong with this generation summed up in one line.
Everything that's wrong with this generation summed up in one line.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Well technically Sony does make cellphones. Wouldn't blame you for forgetting that though
Cygnus X-1
Member
Historically, the last time they joined forces successfully the SNES sound chip was created. And what a piece of work is was!
Sony and Nintendo have now almost the same value on the market. If Nintendo weren't so healthy financially (especially compared to Sony) I would indeed suggest a merging between the two companies.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
If it flounders than maybe it will see any early price cut. See the 3DS and PS3.
iceatcs
Junior Member
You know Nintendo does both right?
Just read bit more carefully.
If you really want to called it number one developer as sale. Then it might not true because I think Infinity Ward is number one developer.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Right. It's gloomy because Ninty is looking like the one to have sat down first in the last available chair in the current game of mobile gaming musical chairs, leaving Vita to be squeezed out due to price and lack of a more mature and better-rounded software library. Timing can certainly mean everything for gaming platforms, so Sony came to the party too late and now they've got to hustle. The best thing about this, potentially, is that more experimental, unique games may be published on the platform due to need for more software, but it could also get more copy-catty to try and further ensure success.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I agree but based on Nintendo IP's the Wii should be experiencing no greater success than any of it's predesessors. Yet somehow it was able to create a Teddy Rumskin level of fervor that should have wore out 3 months after Wii Sports
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
So you can come up with a reason why it "deserves success" but can't reason out why it wouldn't "deserve success"? I don't believe you.
Sure it's great hardware. I'll also preface the reason I give with my own true opinion, I don't care either way beyond the discussion it creates on the board. Maybe people don't think it deserves success because it's a potentially a pretty bad decision to try and succeed with a dedicated handhelds in 2012.
I don't think we should be using the word deserve though, that's for sure.
michaelius
Banned
Funny - I was pissed off it sold so well despite Bioware decline and DLC stinking tricks.
Speaking of which, did anyone else see the effect NPD seems to have had on Nintendo and Sony's stock prices? I mean holy fuck. I can only imagine what's going to happen to Nintendo when they report their ~$1 billion loss.
Nintendo has 10 times the output Blizzard has. Cumulative sales aren't even in the same league. Even on an individual level Nintendo's biggest sell more than Blizzard's.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Nothing is going to happen. Everyone already know. Most importantly is IF Nintendo will predict profits for FY 2012. And they better do.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
WOW has 11 million subscribers. That´s 1.65 billion each year for WOW subscriptions only. Nintendo is not even in the same league. That´s not mentioning Starcraft, and software sales.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
If you're mocking me for some reason, then please do explain why. I much rather be corrected than igonorant.
Well, the way ME3 is marketed, combined with the console userbase (which should be more than 100 million I think) should have lead to much greater sales imo. I expected 3-4 million, easily.
If you're talking revenue, Nintendo is in the 10 billion USD range
The Activision Blizzard conglomerate as a whole has a market cap of 14 billion dollars.
Nintendo has a market cap of around 20 billion.
Not only has wow been hemoraging subs, but even at its peak, over half those subs are asian, where they dont pay a monthly sub fee, but rather pay by the minute through a third party company. So wow even at its peak didn't make nearly that much money.
Blizzard by itself was nowhere near the size of Nintendo, and even as a part of the conglomerate they are still much smaller.
Nintendo isn't in the same league alright. That's one thing you got right there...
BladeoftheImmortal
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From i learned in this thread is that kids will play with anything. seriously, my first system was a genesis and i was shooting the fucking moon, I'm pretty damn sure if u bought a kid any of these systems they'd be jumping for fucking joy.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Decent enough numbers for Kid Icarus, although I was hoping it would be a breakout hit. We'll see what kind of legs it has.
Yup. I wanted to brain my kid, who had just gotten a 3DS the previous day, when he brought his Touch on a short family road trip. "Don't you want to bring your new 3DS?" He said 'nah', shrugged, and went back to playing on his Touch.
It's crazy.
I don't see how they can. Wii and DS are dead worldwide. There's no way Wii U can have a decent profit margin, and 3DS is probably going to do sub 200k per month for most of the year in the US. (Well, unless Animal Crossing comes sooner than expected I guess.) They'll probably have to wait until FY 2013 to turn things around.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Honest question: what games does he have for it? Data gathering here
Sho_Nuff82
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If the Wii U sells for $299 with no HDD I don't see why it can't be profitable from the jump.
I do have to wonder about people hoping that it will spur overall industry sales again, particularly for 3rd party games. Nothing we've seen thus far indicates that Wii U titles will be substantially different from their PS360PC brethren this year. I don't see millions of casuals lining up to play Darksiders 2 or Aliens Colonial Marines just because it has tablet support. I think we'll see a healthy return to form for Nintendo's franchises and a modest bump for titles ported over.
bigtroyjon
Member
Sony's has nothing to do with NPD, Sony's stock is down due to Kaz's meeting being considered a failure by analysts.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
My 10 year old nephew is obsessed with Draw Something right now.
Bruno MB
Member
The US market saved this title from being an epic bomb for Capcom. Over half a million units is a great figure for such a shitty game. The Resident Evil brand is still very strong there and unfortunately I have to say that this makes Resident Evil: Revelations an even bigger bomb.
This one is a big flop worldwide, Capcom have milked the cow too much. We don't have figures but I don't think it is higher than 300k.
For comparison's sake:
Street Fighter IV (PS3, 360) - 849k
Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (360, PS3) - 790.2K
Its performance in the west market is being good, one of the few overperformers of this year.
I guess it did ok, it is certainly not a failure.
Bad, bad, bad, western market is definitely not Japan.
Both portable systems, especially Vita since doesn't have Mario titles, will have a very tough ride.
It probably depends on how expensive the tablet costs to produce.
Cygnus X-1
Member
This point interests me quite. What exactly were they expecting? A complete shut down of their television section?
Wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.
Horse Armour
Member
I'm guessing he's one of the ones that think it will have hardware significantly more powerful than current gen consoles.
Can't wait for my 10 free PS1 games and Vita Ambassador title :bow
Sho_Nuff82
Member
360 + 4GB internal memory + Kinect is $299 and apparently MS makes a ridiculous amount of money on that, I don't see how Nintendo could seriously be breaking the bank at the same price point. At worse they break even.
My brain would explode from the awesomeness. You mean to tell me I can get Nintendo games on top of the line Hardware along with Sony exclusives? I would just quit if I were Microsoft....lol.
Cygnus X-1
Member
The problem is that iPad and iPhone really took the mass market for gaming. But not for the better unfortunately. I'm sure it's more of an hype effect than real enjoyment on real games.
Said otherwise, I think everyone say they play downloadable games on iOS just because now it's the great thing to do, not because they actually have fun playing games on it. And I'll tell you more: many young males I saw during last months actually play less games overall then 5 years ago because they now spend more time on facebook than playing games.
I see on tram and buses many guys playing on iOS.....for less than 5 minutes. But they surf on facebook for hours. This also became a big factor and also explain why the gaming industry is down overall: the revenue coming from iOS are not even in the slightest enough to compensate the decreasing revenues coming from classic consoles and PC.
It's a paradigm shift, but the industry as a whole is damaged.
bigtroyjon
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hyp
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lf I can buy these "casual" games you speak of for a buck, they sure as hell took the market for the better.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Analysis are somehow right, but also Kaz is right. After all, we have to keep in mind that he entered as CEO the 1 April. Less then one month ago. Thus it's obvious he can't still make a roadmap to profitability for now. I think that before the end of June 2012 he'll have a picture of what to change and what to shut down entirely and he will hold a press conference on that. It's too early now.
The aspect of this comment that surprises the hell out of me - and I see this sort of post on GAF a lot - is how little people are actually aware of Nintendo's financial position and influence in this industry. That anyone for a second suggested that Nintendo would go 3rd party sometime in the past is just ignorant, nevermind that Blizzard (a company I adore and respect) is equal or greater than they are from a revenue standpoint.
The reality is simple: The Wii was the fastest selling console of all time, and it achieved this with virtually nothing more than Nintendo's support. MS and Sony, two vastly larger companies, had a hard time competing with all their internal resources and all the 3rd party support imaginable.
I'm not saying that everyone has to like Nintendo, nor am I suggesting that they should be everyone's favorite developer/publisher. [Mine are Looking Glass and SEGA Dreamcast Era, to be clear.] But at least have some idea of the role they play within this industry.
They are, by all objective measure, the most successful gaming company ever.
I just want to make sure I understand the full joke here. PS1 games still don't work on PSV, right?
Would love to find out I missed the announcement. Would make me more likely to buy one!
SafeinSound
Member
I don't know how you can't know how successful Nintendo really is and be a member of GAF.
bigtroyjon
Member
He's been running the electronics business for a while now. If he doesn't know how to fix that yet, not a good sign for the rest of the company.
Cygnus X-1
Member
You didn't get my point: honestly, outside Angry Birds which is known and played, did you see people playing games on iPhone and iPad as long or longer than before?
I don't. Seriously: the main thing people are using now during free time is facebook. And this is a change who is big especially with adolescents. 10 years ago when they had a break, they played Pokémon. 20 years ago it was Tetris and Mario. 5 years ago Nintendogs and Brain Training. Today it's facebook. Well, this is not good for the industry.