Barakov
Member
Honestly, Nvidia overcharges everyone for their stuff so this is just deserts for them. Jensen is now the 18th richest person in the world. He shouldn't be frustrated by anything.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NVIDIA frustrated by Nintendo, is Working On Brand New SOC For Gaming Handhelds & Consoles
- Thread starter McRazzle
- Start date
Honestly, Nvidia overcharges everyone for their stuff so this is just deserts for them. Jensen is now the 18th richest person in the world. He shouldn't be frustrated by anything.
CS Lurker
Member
Actually TSMC is the one manufacturing the chips. TSMC still have other customers using the 16nm node. Nvidia just charge Nintendo for the SoCs and Nintendo pays for it. That's all. There's nothing hard on it, and it's nothing to make Nvidia even annoyed by it.
Nvidia produce the chips with TSMC and sell them to Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't buy designs from nvidia but actual chips. The point was though that there isn't a hardware stockpile that nvidia need to get rid of.
Woopah
Member
No one else wants the T239 because it is an SoC specifically designed for Nintendo.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
nintendos cheep buuuuuuut not true
Windom Earle
Member
Nvidia is ~36x the market cap of Nintendo. Do you really think they give a fuck about them? 
Fanboys ITT need to get a grip.
Fanboys ITT need to get a grip.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
you think op is truth??Nvidia is ~36x the market cap of Nintendo. Do you really think they give a fuck about them?
sig bet bookmarked
Tarin02543
Member
Do we really know for sure it will be the T239? A cut down automotive chip sounds too expensive
Woopah
Member
From the Nvidia hack, the T239 was the only SoC that referenced Nintendo's API. I believe the shipping reports that recently leaked further Switch 2 details also refer to that chip.
So we can be fairly certain it is the T239.
Windom Earle
Member
I don't care but it is very amusing to see copers claim that little Nintendo can somehow big-league fucking Nvidia.you think op is truth??
This is your daddy now, better bow down plebs.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Beyond that they sold something like 130 million units. Using a SoC that was at the time considered too expensive. The Switch is a roaring success.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Last edited:
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
No serious person expects that in a $399 Nintendo console that has to run on a battery in portable mode. If they do, they are pie-in-the-sky outside their mind.Switch 2 is going to be so underwhelming in terms of hardware. People talking 4K and DLSS and 120hz - and I’m like.
I say that as a diehard Nintendo lifer who is day one buying a Switch 2. I just care about the games.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Same
All I want is a portable PS4 and a little better in docked mode
I can't wait to see how Luigi Mansion 4, Xenoblade Chronicles 4 and Metroid Prime 4 looks on Switch 2
Funny enough the games that I'm most excited for that are coming from Nintendo are all the 4th game in their respective franchises lol
Kataploom
Gold Member
They'd have a hardest time finding a weaker chip that is currently in production from Nvidia lol
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Last edited:
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
According to leaks they're using a recent Nvidia SoC and like 12 GB of RAM. Over 1,000 CUDA cores. If true that is the most serious Nintendo has come with hardware since the Game Cube.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
I would be surprised if that ended up being true
As I said before I'm fine with PS4 level graphics paired up with modern hardware
As a big Nintendo fan, I'm keeping my expectations in check
LavitzSlambert
Member
Exactly. Get a great deal buying Tegra chips for the Switch, convince Nvidia to create a new specialized one that nobody else would want, lowball Nvidia knowing they will take whatever deal is presented.
Kataploom
Gold Member
And with a shitty power port that makes me fear trying them
But as with Switch 1, it's very difficult to find something better elsewhere, even if Switch 2 on paper ends up being like Steam Deck, it will output way better results due several factors including Nvidia tech stack
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
And with a shitty power port that makes me fear trying them
But as with Switch 1, it's very difficult to find something better elsewhere, even if Switch 2 on paper ends up being like Steam Deck, it will output way better results due several factors including Nvidia tech stack
For my next Gaming PC Build which I'm doing for next year. I have been looking at AMD Graphics Cards
I like Nvidia but the prices on their cards are too expensive at times
It's gonna to be interesting what Graphic/Tech Features Switch 2 will have due to Nvidia being involved in the hardware
Reallink
Member
As I said, that's because Tegra's only tangible market is a handful of cars which don't require cutting edge processing, typically go to one of the lowest bidders, and is a low volume low value market. Only reason they've continued to develop it is because they know they can't completely abandon low TDP SOC/APU's and still hope to power some type of high volume high margin mobile computing device in the future. Tegra is back burnered behind the back burner in the guest house kitchen of Nvidia's product stack.
Last edited:
SonGoku
Member
All i want is decent enough GPU so that together with DLSS I can get the "feel" of native resolution on a handheld display.
Has been my number one gripe with PSVita and Switch, sub native rez games on handhelds stick out like a sore thumb and native rez ones look beautiful
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
I hope there's a good CPU in the Switch 2 also
Last edited:
Kataploom
Gold Member
I think waiting for RDNA 4 is the right call, that's what I'm doing right now
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
That's the plan
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
if you consider the 3DS and GBA as "misses" then yeah this is very much a miss.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
nintendos ALWAYS cheepo weaker then industry rumors buuuuuuuuut this thread lies all nintendos rumors lies i am known for my industry predictions
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Disappointing if true.
SiriusBlack
Banned
Why do people here keep posting nonsense, poorly sourced Twitter rumors as news? Go outside.
Robb
Gold Member
Last edited:
Kataploom
Gold Member
They didn't for Switch tho, at least internals (joycons are another matter lol)
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yeah, so this isn’t how it works. Complete nonsense comment. It’s a business arrangement to provide a chip in exchange for money. Nothing to do with anything you’re saying. NVIDIA literally made the chip you’re talking about. Nintendo was just a bulk buyer.
Last edited:
midnightAI
Member
'pretty much' meaning almost, not exactly
'past few generations' meaning recently, not all time
Last edited:
SiriusBlack
Banned
Enjoy your utterly sad low quality life before you die a worthless death then.Never!
Hudo
Member
Yeah, you surely sound like someone who's enjoying life.
BattleScar
Member
Outstanding armchair business analysis going on in this thread.
Why would Nvidia want to waste extremely expensive N4 and N3 wafers selling Nintendo chips? They know Nintendo's market is low cost, so there's no hope for high margins.
Instead they can throw old products/IP at Nintendo using cheaper, older nodes for a reasonable cost, with little to no design effort required. Meanwhile their expensive leading edge wafers go to data center where they can make those juicy 1000% margins.
At the moment all of this is hearsay. And if Nvidia are actually frustrated with Nintendo then they're just dumb. They know what Nintendo's business model is, expecting that to change is proper Muppet behaviour, and they might as well not have engaged with them.
Why would Nvidia want to waste extremely expensive N4 and N3 wafers selling Nintendo chips? They know Nintendo's market is low cost, so there's no hope for high margins.
Instead they can throw old products/IP at Nintendo using cheaper, older nodes for a reasonable cost, with little to no design effort required. Meanwhile their expensive leading edge wafers go to data center where they can make those juicy 1000% margins.
At the moment all of this is hearsay. And if Nvidia are actually frustrated with Nintendo then they're just dumb. They know what Nintendo's business model is, expecting that to change is proper Muppet behaviour, and they might as well not have engaged with them.
SiriusBlack
Banned
Oh brother. You have no idea. Life is awesome. Unfair isn’t it?
A.I chips are limited by COWOS capacity rather than wafer availability.
TSMC Prediction: AI Chip Supply Shortage to Last ~18 Months
TSMC Chairman Mark Liu was asked to comment on all things artificial intelligence-related at the SEMICON Taiwan 2023 industry event. According to a Nikkei Asia report, he foresees supply constraints lasting until the tail end of 2024: "It's not the shortage of AI chips. It's the shortage of our...
And the size of T239 indicates it's on a newer process, as at a 8nm it risks running below the minimum voltage floor at low power levels. They could be using a newer Samsung process though.
Hudo
Member
Goodbye, motherfucker.
CS Lurker
Member
I know they don't have a stockpile, and that was not what I was questioning from your post. You said "they might not be so happy manufacturing old chips", that was the point. It sounded like Nvidia is the one manufacturing old chips, like if they had a manufacturing line just for the TX1+, but they wanted to move on. That's why I said TSMC is the one manufacturing it, and they still have lines not only for the TX1+ but also for other customers who don't need to move their design to more advanced nodes.
So why would Nvidia be annoyed by only having to buy 16nm wafers from TSMC (according to Nintendo's request) and nothing else? It's effortless for them. And if it happens that TSMC decides to charge a premium because the node is too old (trying to push customers to newer nodes), then Nvidia will just pass this extra to Nintendo.
If the TX1 is still been produced it's because it's financially good for Nintendo, Nvidia and TSMC.
Sid Of Bee
Member
Not really. It's an ARM chip and uses Nintendo's proprietary development kit. It all comes down to that software layer and using any next gen ARM based chip.
Hudo
Member
As already mentioned quite a few pages ago, yes, NERD can whip out a good emulator for that. So yeah, it's a non-issue.
In all honesty I have no idea of the contract that nvidia and nintendo have in place so I can't comment on passing on the cost if TSMC decide to charge a premium on old nodes. I don't even know if Switch 2 is an old node either. I have very little information on the subject matter. All I was replying to was this:
By saying nvidia don't have something on hand that they need to get rid of. Even if we're talking about filling manufacturing time at older node foundries you seem to be of the opinion that nvidia/TSMC have other customers anyway.
DragonNCM
Member
1080P at 30fps.....
Nvidia to Nintendo: See that garbarge bin over there? You can rummage through it and see what you can find.
I sure hope that Nintendo rather want to make a great deal on something modern. Fingers crossed.
Last edited:
