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Obamacare repeal officially dead , Trump rage on twitter [POLITICO]
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Because Americans can't block traffic to protest. And there is a militarized police force to prevent dissent.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Suddenly the thought of an evil empire incompetent enough to leave an easily exploited weakspot in the Death Star isn't so incomprehensible
Sidewinder
Member
ololololol
IaN_GAF
Member
This sounds like a hostage situation!
On topic though, can we even hope that they will learn something from this? I've a feeling they will just try again in the very near future...
gimmmick
Member
So strip 32 million from health care? Man I don't think republican senators can be this cruel. It would always never happen since ACA have given hope to a lot of people that have never had health insurance. Republicans need to work with Democrats and fix the problems ACA have.
What does that have to do with the pay of Congressmen?
Several GOP Senators propose just that, so yeah, many of them can be. Free market above all else.
Obama is not the only reason they don't like it.
The whole thing goes against right wing ideology. Higher taxes on rich people to pay for healthcare for poor/middle class people, the individual mandate, the regulations on insurance policies.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Q. How do you be evil and fuck up at being evil?
A. Also be an idiot.
A. Also be an idiot.
Your political outlets are limited and ineffective, making your politicians unaccountable, which makes them not perform up to snuff.
You pay them to campaign so they can get themselves re-elected to campaign...
I mean, not really. It's a cool 'woke' statement and all, but the base of the Republican party not holding their party accountable has nothing to do with either of those things.
This half-measure was born by Republicans decades ago.
It may not be completely fit their agenda, but it's one place they need to compromise for their base as it impacts millions of them directly and is one of the few that has the power to turn Republican voters against the GOP. If they were at all intellectually honest, they would acknowledge that Obamacare is more or less exactly the solution they would come to if they were forced to draw up healthcare regulation instead of the Dems.
They just had precious little to hit Obama with, so politicized this as a socialist nightmare deal that would cost jobs. And now that it hasn't, they understand the parameters of the deal are acceptable, and have only tried to repeal and replace because they look like massive hypocrite if they don't.
Username1198
Member
Eat a fat dick fuck face republicans you racist fucks
There's a lot of people so opposed to government that still don't give a shit about that 32 million, I say "still" because from the start they didn't care and were against doing something about them in the first place. And we should never forget that the amount of people willing to tolerate rising premiums probably drops each year, if Obamacare isn't tweaked eventually it may become more popular an idea to kick millions off of insurance on the hope yours will go down.
I'm not convinced as some are that Republicans don't want to do this. I think many do. And if it blows up afterwards they'd just bitch that even with Obamacare repealed the premiums are higher still because there was government regulation that predated it that also needs to be repealed ad infinity.
Really comes down to which side gets a good salesman first the Democrats with fixing it or going single payer or the Republicans with repealing it. We're still feeling the effects of Reaganism on the country and he's been out of office for decades.
Republicans don't care about improving healthcare. They would have never passed anything like Obamacare. For one, that raised taxes on rich people. Something they are fanatically against.
Stop lying to yourself. Republicans don't actually believe in any of those things.
I don't think that they can pass a simple repeal through reconciliation, as this would increase the deficit.
I mean sure, they can kill the filibuster, or change the senate rules to make it possible through some other mechanism. They can even say "fuck it" and just ignore the senate parliamentarian says, it's not like she can send in the cops on them for that. But I really don't see them doing any of this to pass something that would be so immensely unpopular.
Some of them just vote how the money wants them to. Plenty are right wing ideologues. Paul Ryan worship freaking Ayn Rand.
The GOP is most definitely against increasing taxes on rich people to fund anything. Including healthcare.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Their entire platform was "do the opposite of what democrats do". When the democrats do something that is objectively helpful to their own constituents, it puts them in a legislative bind.
I'm sure most in Congress would prefer to put this behind them, but Trump can't force through his tax cuts without the 'savings' from his desired health plan.
I think we'll eventually see the new tax plan anyway, and Congress will suffer no real ill will in increasing debt to pay for it.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
I do wonder how badly they'll be punished by the donor class. They're doing right by their voters to drop this, but the donor class must be absolutely pissed to see their lack of return on investment.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Okay, this got me.
HappyBivouac
Member
So, what exactly is the problem with the ACA again?
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Healthcare is still stupid expensive here and people want preexisting conditions covered without a mandate to buy private insurance.
Good, but that's no reason to celebrate
The GOP don't have a real argument against it, they just want total for profit control.
The private insurance companies have a monopoly on people's health. As long as that continues, healhcare will continue to be a drain on the population,a drain on the economy and what the government spends to keep the middle man afloat. All the ACA did was put a small bandaid on a problem that continues to get worse.
Its a no win situation when your only option is a for profit. it may hurt the donor class, but they need to be hurt
The GOP don't have a real argument against it, they just want total for profit control.
The private insurance companies have a monopoly on people's health. As long as that continues, healhcare will continue to be a drain on the population,a drain on the economy and what the government spends to keep the middle man afloat. All the ACA did was put a small bandaid on a problem that continues to get worse.
Its a no win situation when your only option is a for profit. it may hurt the donor class, but they need to be hurt
Not sure about the question, but I'll answer the main beef I hear a lot from opponent.
Tax and the facts that people apparently lived in alternative past where premium were not escalating at more ridiculous rate than when ACA happened.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Sure it is. The war isn't over, but winning a huge battle is still a cause for celebration.
We didn't 'win' though, the GOP could not even get their house in order to begin the battle in the first place. It didn't even come to a vote right?
I don't see this passing unless they can convince some senators to take a buyout for their lost seat. They are trying to cut taxes, keep insurance companies happy, reduce funding while keeping a small notion of healthcare in place and most importantly retain their constituents votes. They want to cut funding without losing coverage for a lot of people, but the money has to come from somewhere.
It was clear from the start they didn't have a plan and forced a horrible bill through the house that many representatives by their own admission didn't bother to read. As much as republicans hate the ACA, I don't think they are dumb enough to repeal it without a replacement, but they have wanted to kill it for so long anything is possible. Maybe if they had a plan in the 1st place, things wouldn't be so bad but then it would have forced politicians to commit on a controversial issue during campaign season.
It was clear from the start they didn't have a plan and forced a horrible bill through the house that many representatives by their own admission didn't bother to read. As much as republicans hate the ACA, I don't think they are dumb enough to repeal it without a replacement, but they have wanted to kill it for so long anything is possible. Maybe if they had a plan in the 1st place, things wouldn't be so bad but then it would have forced politicians to commit on a controversial issue during campaign season.
Bedameister
Member
Bravo
Chittagong
Gold Member
'Were going to win so much, youre going to be so sick and tired of winning'
They didn't have a plan because they didn't think they would be in a position to enact one. Not that they could have come up with one that isn't terrible. Is is literally impossible to come up with a Republican plan that is not wildly unpopular.
Are you joking? The GOP has pushed so far to the right that they don't care about anything but themselves and the companies that pay for their reelection campaigns. As long as they have healthcare they don't care what happens to anyone else. They've been all too blatant and vocal about demonstrating this fact.
I'd guess the real biggest problem, not the ideological ones like the mandate or wealth transfers, is the State Exchanges and how they're generally doomed if the State didn't do the Medicaid expansion. What's baffling about that on the other hand is those are essentially the same people that repealing Obamacare would kick off of insurance so the GOP's basically saying Obamacare's imploding, which in a lot of areas is unfortunately true enough, and to save those people from horrendous insurance plans or no plans at all, they wanted to repeal Obamacare and remove that option from those that had it.
'Course the Better Care Act wasn't a straight repeal since that's something new from this year but most of its cost cutting measures budget wise came from kicking them off of insurance as well.
There's essentially two separate worlds to Obamacare, the exchanges and the general health care market that existed before and that it regulated further where most people get it from their employer, the former is doing pretty poorly in many States but the latter's actually doing alrightish. Yeah we all want it cheaper and yes rising costs do cause some companies to switch companies each year for cheaper options and all that but it's hardly imploding and somewhat stable compared to before Obamacare.
Republicans more or less invented Obamacare.
Republican voters sure as hell DO care about healthcare, and that is the actual only reason why the GOP hasn't been able to repeal and replace with something worse. They're worried about taking a huge hit within their voting base the next time around.
apperently not enough otherwise they wouldn't vote for the "repeal party"
NHarmonic.
Member
This always makes me laugh, such a perfect reaction lol.
Nobody said their voters were smart, but they have made themselves heard and it's the reason they can't enough Republicans to vote on any of these proposed plans.
polyh3dron
Banned
shoutout to PhoenixDark
The Greek Freak
Member
It's a half assed step and nowhere near as good as single payer or basically any first world healthcare system.
darkhunger
Member
Do you know anyone who actually uses it? Basically ridiculously high premiums with trash tier plans that have high deductibles and only covers a fraction of costs for anyone who's not dirt poor? It covers a small fraction of people really well but if you are not someone with a preexisting condition or poor then you are basically subsidizing people who are.