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Oldest known star discovered

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Dead Man

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http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/02/10/3941073.htm

Astronomers have discovered the oldest known star, born in the fiery wake of a first generation supernova after the Big Bang.

The star, with the catchy name SMSS J031300.362670839.3, came to the attention of an international team of astronomers because of its unique chemical fingerprint showing it contained almost no iron.

The discovery is reported today in Nature.

Lead author Dr Stefan Keller says the first generation of stars that formed immediately after the big bang contained mostly hydrogen, helium and a small amount of lithium.

"They were made out of this very primordial mix of hydrogen and helium and that led them to become very massive stars, hundreds of times the mass of the Sun," says Keller, who is a research fellow at the Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the Australian National University.

"When you have a star that big, it lives fast and dies young. They explode in a supernova and they start to seed the rest of the universe."

The resulting explosion contains heavier elements, such as carbon, silicon and iron.

"As soon as we've got a little bit of iron in the universe, that enables much smaller stars to form and that's what we're seeing in this finding — one of those stars from the second generation," says Kellar.
Snapshot of time

The star, which is drifting around the outskirts of the Milky Way around 6000 light years from Earth, offers a remarkable snapshot of conditions in the Universe more than 13.7 billion years ago.

"Imagine you've got a first [generation] star that's popped into existence, says it's a huge massive thing. It explodes and then the shock wave from that drives the wind out and forms the star that we're observing," he says.

"Stars act as little time capsules and when they form they encapsulate this chunk of gas from that time in which they formed. When we find a particularly old star we have this sample of the Universe as it was close to the formative phases of the Milky Way," says Keller.

That snapshot suggests the supernova that led to this star's formation was very different to supernovae seen today.

"It's completely unique in the sense that supernovae should emit large amounts of iron and various other materials. But this particular supernova evidently didn't release any iron, it released a little bit of magnesium and quite a bit of carbon," says Keller.

From this, researchers were able to deduce that this first supernova was a relatively low-energy explosion that led to the formation of a black hole.

"The primordial star's supernova explosion was of surprisingly low energy," says Keller. "Although sufficient to disintegrate the primordial star, almost all of the heavy elements such as iron, were consumed by a black hole that formed at the heart of the explosion."

This lead to the low level of iron found in the star.

The research team are now collecting data from the large telescopes in Chile to build up a more detailed picture of the star in the hope it will reveal more about the Universe's first generation of stars.

Thought this might be interesting given the recent 'light is created old' rubbish from the Nye/Ham debate.

Edit: Slightly clearer article written by an astronomer involved in finding it: http://theconversation.com/the-oldest-star-discovery-tells-much-about-the-early-universe-22944

In the case of the star we have announced, the amount of iron present is less than one millionth that of the Sun, and a factor of at least 60 times less than any other star. This indicates that our star is the most ancient yet found.

Stars are like time capsules, they lock away a sample of gas from which they form. In the case of the star we have discovered, this has enabled us to study in detail a sample of gas from approximately 13.6 billion years ago.

This is so long ago that the star predates the formation of the Milky Way. It likely formed in a small cloud of gas and eventually many of such clouds fell together under gravity to form the grand spiral galaxy we call home.

This star has born silent witness to 99% of the life of the universe - it has spun impervious, slowly converting hydrogen into helium as demanded by gravity.

We expect that there may be only as few as a dozen other ancient stars to be found. Bringing these stars to light will allow us to characterise the population of the first stars and obtain insight into an era of cosmic evolution hidden from modern telescopes: the switching on of the first stars.

This was a turning point in the history of the universe. They mark the transition from warm, dark gas to one capable of generating material for rocky planets and life.
 

Dead Man

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until the older one is discovered.
You say that like it's a bad thing :)
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6,000 light years away seems really close.

Yeah, confused me how a star so close could be so old, but I think it is a classic case of 'science journalism' missing a point or two.
 

6.8

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The star, which is drifting around the outskirts of the Milky Way around 6000 light years from Earth, offers a remarkable snapshot of conditions in the Universe more than 13.7 billion years ago.

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xbhaskarx

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Considering the observable universe is expanding at the speed of light, shouldn't new oldest known stars be getting discovered all the time?
 

Dead Man

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Read a couple other articles, it seems it formed in roughly that location that long ago, so apparently not a contradiction?

Article written by an astronomer involved in finding it: http://theconversation.com/the-oldest-star-discovery-tells-much-about-the-early-universe-22944

In the case of the star we have announced, the amount of iron present is less than one millionth that of the Sun, and a factor of at least 60 times less than any other star. This indicates that our star is the most ancient yet found.

Stars are like time capsules, they lock away a sample of gas from which they form. In the case of the star we have discovered, this has enabled us to study in detail a sample of gas from approximately 13.6 billion years ago.

This is so long ago that the star predates the formation of the Milky Way. It likely formed in a small cloud of gas and eventually many of such clouds fell together under gravity to form the grand spiral galaxy we call home.

This star has born silent witness to 99% of the life of the universe - it has spun impervious, slowly converting hydrogen into helium as demanded by gravity.
 

harmonize

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haha, yeah right

there's a huge hole with your theory there, mr egghead sciensocialist

go look in a mirror, do you see the reflection?

yeah, that guy wasn't there
 
the link in the article doesn't go anywhere, so here's what nature's search reports for 'oldest known star':

http://www.nature.com/news/nearby-star-is-almost-as-old-as-the-universe-1.12196

Astronomers have discovered a Methuselah of stars — a denizen of the Solar System's neighbourhood that is at least 13.2 billion years old and formed shortly after the Big Bang.

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The venerable star, dubbed HD 140283, lies at a comparatively short distance of 190 light years from the Solar System and has been studied by astronomers for more than a century.

rest at the link.

So yeah, these stars just live very long for some reason.

edit: google skill malfunction
 
yeah, that's what I thought too.

that would make this star ancient in terms of staying alive, which contradicts the 'live short, die hard' lines in the quotes.

It's probably a white dwarf star, born from the remnants of a supernova star which was born shortly after the big bang. White Dwarf stars can burn for many billions of years.
 

Dead Man

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I wonder what the young earth creationist excuse is for stars having varying levels of iron.

God made it that way. It is really the simple fall back answer for everything. Why did god make it so that we are deceived? He moves in mysterious ways. Or it is a test of faith. Take your pick.
 

Parch

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It's all about having an iron free diet. No iron... long life.

How stars live and especially the variety of ways stars die and what they become when they do is what's most interesting about the universe.
 

Nokterian

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Everything we discover how fast and expansive the universe is and boggles my mind how far away that star is 6000 lightyears? My god it's insane but this is just a tip of the iceberg.

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MYE

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Everything we discover how fast and expansive the universe is and boggles my mind how far away that star is 6000 lightyears? My god it's insane but this is just a tip of the iceberg.

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Wrap your head around this

The universe is believed to be 13.77 billion years old
The first light of stars appeared around 400 million years after the big bang
 

Nokterian

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Wrap your head around this

The universe is believed to be 13.77 billion years old
The first light of stars appeared around 400 million years after the big bang

I have seen a lot of documentary's and read a lot of stuff and even then i can't wrap my head around it but is fascinating.
 

docbon

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If the star is 6000 light years away, does that mean we can witness the creation of the earth from that point?
 
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