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[99Luffy]

Would be great news, if they force nintendo to go multiplat, then I can play all their games on PC and not waiting on emulator versions. That's the dream.

Eventually Nintendo will go multiplatform... as will Sony.. and MS.. and Apple..

The entire industry is on borrowed time until the 5G bomb drops and everyone is running on GPU data farms. The only 'platform' will be your browser and which store front you boot up.

 

[LordBlodgett]

Apple's problem is content. People talked about Apple TV for years, about how it was going to take over streaming, but in the end its just an overpriced Roku. Their Apple TV+ service hasn't exploded in growth either, even though it is free for a year to every single person who buys a new Apple device. Why? It's CONTENT......Disney+ exploded because they own a ton of viable content they could start showing from day 1. If we start seeing Apple snap up developers or publishers then I'll know they are getting serious about games

 

[Kokoloko85]

TBH I wouldnt mind a couple more giant corporations joining the game industry now. MS is just buying studios left and right so might aswell have google, amazon and apple join the fight... lol.

They can fight it out while Nintendo and Playstation make quality 1st party games lol
But doubt Apple can beat the Nintendo Handheld

 

[Kokoloko85]

I am sure Apple could produce the best hardware - sure..

..and.. best tech always Wins - right?

PSP crushed DS and Vita sure crushed 3DS


...

Considering PSP sold over 80million units it done pretty well. DS was just a beast and Nintendo’s best selling device ever.

 

[Interfectum]

Apple's problem is content. People talked about Apple TV for years, about how it was going to take over streaming, but in the end its just an overpriced Roku. Their Apple TV+ service hasn't exploded in growth either, even though it is free for a year to every single person who buys a new Apple device. Why? It's CONTENT......Disney+ exploded because they own a ton of viable content they could start showing from day 1. If we start seeing Apple snap up developers or publishers then I'll know they are getting serious about games

Yup. It’s all about known IP. Disney barely had to do shit besides put their movies up and bust out a few shows and they are killing it.

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

I will never buy Apple products for as long as I live.

 

[Dr Bass]

I will never buy Apple products for as long as I live.

Hmmm ... but what are your thoughts on turtles?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Eventually Nintendo will go multiplatform... as will Sony.. and MS.. and Apple..

The entire industry is on borrowed time until the 5G bomb drops and everyone is running on GPU data farms. The only 'platform' will be your browser and which store front you boot up.

Any day now...

 

[BootsLoader]

To be honest, from a hardware perspective this is true. The M1 chip that is inside the Macbooks it is also on iPad Pro now. M1 really kills it. But Apple lacks good software. You can't just come, throw money and win Nintendo who has legacy in the gaming industry. Mario and Zelda themselves are already enough.

 

[FStubbs]

Apple's problem is content. People talked about Apple TV for years, about how it was going to take over streaming, but in the end its just an overpriced Roku. Their Apple TV+ service hasn't exploded in growth either, even though it is free for a year to every single person who buys a new Apple device. Why? It's CONTENT......Disney+ exploded because they own a ton of viable content they could start showing from day 1. If we start seeing Apple snap up developers or publishers then I'll know they are getting serious about games

But suppose Apple buys Nintendo

 

[Golgo 13]

This is a pathetic and completely unfounded argument. It’s empirically false because it proposes that powerful, cutting edge hardware is the primary factor in market share in the handheld space while Nintendo has been demonstrating the ANTITHESIS of this hypothesis for the last 35 years. What a stupid fucking post (not OP on GAF but the original Tweet).

 

[Dream-Knife]

Sounds like shit you'd hear in the late 90s. iPhone and iPad are easily the best devices on the market that they are in. Same goes for the watch and AirPods. Not to mention the connectivity between Apple devices (watch, AirPods, phone, tv, etc) is an amazing feature to have as a consumer.

But yeah bro, you want to build a gaming PC that plays Crysis at 4k, 60fps while having Cheetos in your beard, build your own PC as a Mac won't be the computer for you. No one is arguing different.

The connectivity and ecosystem integration is great. The closed nature of their devices isn't great though, but if you're just a basic person who uses them to text and stream stuff then I guess they're great.

Lol at airpods being good. Guess if beats is your standard. Hell this board is a full of Sony fanboys, and their audio stuff is pretty good.

You mean if you want to play any games that aren't mobile games, and not do stuff that isn't approved by Apple, then go for it. You sound upset. Not apple's fault you buy their junk.

 

[Ribi]

Nintendo fans has stockholm syndrome just like apple fans. Nintendo could give them the switch to with games at 480p and they'd be happy while apple could give them 4k 60fps for $10,000 and they'd be happy. Two different markets of sheep

 

[spawn]

It would be way too expensive. The only people who would buy it are Apple fans

 

[Hotty Botty]

It would be way too expensive. The only people who would buy it are Apple fans

So a lot of people. Got it.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

We have seen how well company like amaozn handle lotr mmo

 

[Barakov]

In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.

My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.

Spoiler

Apple isn't doing anything without making their own games. And we know that's not going to happen. Apple is very good at many things but games isn't one of them. That company should just stay in their lane.

 

[oagboghi2]

Makes sense ready at dawn dev would only give a shit about power, and not you know, games

 

[cartman414]

Nintendo fans has stockholm syndrome just like apple fans. Nintendo could give them the switch to with games at 480p and they'd be happy while apple could give them 4k 60fps for $10,000 and they'd be happy. Two different markets of sheep

Apple's iPhones and iPads have at the very least relative feature parity with similarly priced Android products, only they're much more reliable.

Also, no other company has done more work on their own ARM derived processors.

 

[Paulistano]

Nintendo could release Mario on a toaster and it would sell more than a generic apple game.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Only people who are dumb enough to buy this https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MWUG2Z/A/pro-stand

WTF is that? A $1000 stand?

 

[Chiggs]

An Apple console would be the Gaming PC of the console world in terms of rank and ritz, which is why I desperately want them to release one.

Apple would only make video games far more interesting (and contentious).

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

Hmmm ... but what are your thoughts on turtles?

They're great chocolates. Nice to have at Christmas.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

Only if Apple manage to make it cheap enough for mass adoption.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Sure, any company could "Obliterate" the gaming console market given the right games and hardware.

What else do you know, if a company made a 5000$ electric car that had a 1000 miles range, charged in 10 minutes over a 110v outlet, had all the best luxury options, leather seats, enough room to fit 7 adults comfortably, looked like a Ferrari and accelerated like the fastest Teslas. They would take over the car market in a year! That's my prediction!

 

[RoyalLaFlame]

Apple is not going to create a gaming machine. Apple Arcade on any device from Apple is their main goal, clearly.



PS: A lot of hate for Apple and Nintendo here. Maybe one day you guys will understand that you calling other people sheep because they like something you don't doesn't make you more manly.

 

[ReBurn]

Apple is about to release an M1 iPad so there will be something portable. But as long as Apple Arcade is the best they got they'll never obliterate anything. I got 3 months of Apple Arcade free with my MacBook I bought in Jan and pretty much everything I tried to play bored me.

 

[midasmulligan]

In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.

My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.

Spoiler

Lol! Brah, do you think power matters to switch owners?? Muthafukas want that sweet sweet Zelda and Pokemon action at 360p. "If only they had the library" says every failed console in history. Probably one of the most moronic tweets I've seen in a long time....

 

[iHaunter]

Who's going to pay $799 for an Apple handheld though?

The same that pay $1600 for a Phone. Apple customers are bigger sheep than Nintendo customers. I'm assuming that's what they're counting on.

 

[lh032]

They already do

According to research by Digitimes, Apple is expected to ship in excess of 60 million iPhones in the first quarter of 2021. This would make Apple the top smartphone seller over the this quarter and the last of 2020.

Total shipments for the two quarters, are expected to be over 150 million iPhones. That's up 38% year on year, for Apple.

phone and gaming console are both different things, you are talking about portable gaming console, not just mobile phone games.
Without a good library of games, its pointless anyway.

 

[Jubenhimer]

They could... But why would they? Gaming has never been a priority for Apple, it's always been more of an afterthought to them in most cases. Sure you can play games on an iPhone or Mac, but those devices weren't built with gaming in mind, they're just another feature you can use on your multi-purpose devices. If Apple was serious about gaming, they would try and build a device that has gaming as its primary function in mind, but they aren't going to do that because they already make tons of money selling overpriced phones. They have nothing to gain from the market.

 

[Come On Tars]

"with the software"

nice little qualifier.

 

[OptimistPrime]

It's amazing how people think Apple discovered ARM based processor. Apple does not have exclusive access to ARM cores and if ARM cores are worth the hassle ( no more backward compatibility ) then Sony and MS can make a console on it.

Apple silicon implements the ARM ISA but they are not ARM-designed cores. They are completely custom cores that Apple designed. Generally speaking they are way better than other ARM cores out there.

Qualcomm sometimes does this too with Snapdragon, depending on the generation they’ll either use off-the-shelf ARM designs or use their own custom or semi-custom cores (for example Krait or Kyro).

 

[TheGrat1]

They said the same thing about Microsoft and Xbox.

 

[Yselacrey00]

This is one of the top contenders for the award for the most pointless tweet of the year.

Of course, a company that brings out good hardware with good games can push out the competition. That has nothing to do with Apple. He could have written the same statement about Coca Cola, McDonalds or PornHub.

Nobody has an M1 chip though. Have you seen the performance of this chips? It's the most impressive thing happening to chips since almost 2 decades. That's the point of this tweet, Apple could use the M1 to develop a handheld and there wouldn't be anyone able to compare to them hardware wise just like there won't be a competitor to their laptops in at least 5 years.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

They can.

But Gamers are kinds loyal. Look at Xbox fans.

 

[Tmack]

What?

Switch survives on Nintendo only games, how can apple top that?


Nintendo has been a dominating force for over a decade on subpar hardware and someone thinks it can oblierated based on hardware? Wgat?

 

[Shai-Tan]

Nobody has an M1 chip though. Have you seen the performance of this chips? It's the most impressive thing happening to chips since almost 2 decades. That's the point of this tweet, Apple could use the M1 to develop a handheld and there wouldn't be anyone able to compare to them hardware wise just like there won't be a competitor to their laptops in at least 5 years.

In the history of consoles there are lots of instances of superior hardware being trumped by better content and/or lower pricing. This is the story of Nintendo, always a gen or two below in hardware power because they are aiming at mainstream price. Meanwhile Apple has a good install base with iPad/iPhone regardless of their pricing yet Apple Arcade is mostly shit despite them throwing money at it. So zero confidence from me that they could curate their way into that. They don’t deserve all the blame with touch being so limited but for me iOS is just an iap graveyard, late indie game ports, and little Johnny doesn’t own a console

There are rumors they are doing something vr and ar but differentiating by solving the existing problems is just as much software as it is hardware. Current game engines are kind of shit for interactions in vr/ar so I really doubt they come in with a huge advantage beyond cool tech demos

 

[Zeroing]

We all know Apple´s M1 chip will develop a mind of it's own and build Apple robots who will use us humans as batteries for iPhones...

 

[THE DUCK]

They could, but the question should be whether or not they should.

Market the Mac Mini M1 as a games console. Heck, certain Mini models could act as one already.

This idea would probably work in a way, but aren't they sort of already doing that with the apple TV with a12?

 

[betrayal]

Nobody has an M1 chip though. Have you seen the performance of this chips? It's the most impressive thing happening to chips since almost 2 decades. That's the point of this tweet, Apple could use the M1 to develop a handheld and there wouldn't be anyone able to compare to them hardware wise just like there won't be a competitor to their laptops in at least 5 years.

That may all be true, it's just that no one cares about hardware when the games suck.

Do you think Nintendo has been making relatively underpowered hardware for 10 years because they couldn't do better?
These are very conscious decisions, depending on the cost-benefit factor and of course the fact that Nintendo is well aware of its unique market power when it comes to exclusive titles.

 

[Haggard]

iPhone and iPad are easily the best devices on the market that they are in. Same goes for the watch and AirPods.

That´s just your subjective opinion, not an objective fact. Apple products are always in the top 5-10, but so is Samsung and lately the Chinese brands, too. The only things Apple really has an unchallenged first place in is price and restrictions.

 

[hemo memo]

Microsoft and Sony will eat them if they decide to jump into the hardcore market. Nintendo will eat them if they decide to jump to the family side. The console market is insanely competitive they will not survive. Just because you can throw money at things doesn’t mean it can become successful.

 

[SirTerry-T]

I think the lesson to be learned from our gym rat Twitter friend is to make sure you mix your muscle dust powder with your milk and not just foolishly snort it.

 

[Andrea Pessino]

Hey guys... tweet author, RAD founder, arrogant ass no one cares about gym rat twitter friend here. I don't want to discourage opinions (or hate) but let just clarify my intent a little bit, cuz it's obvious I did not phrase my thoughts very well.

I am a huge Nintendo fan, I have been lucky enough to know and work with several of their legendary designers/developers, and there is no game in my 40+ years of playing and making games that I have played, loved and admired more than Breath of the Wild on Switch. In fact, I have played more on Switch the last 3 years than all other platforms combined. It is STILL what I play the most... it has also been my destination for indie games. I fully appreciate what made it so successful and why and the last thing I'd ever try to do is dismiss Nintendo's legacy or relevance.

I was simply reflecting on the M1 development, and the rather shocking trajectory that SoC has taken. It burst out of the portable/integrated business and into all other branches of computing all at once. It's not even really its raw computing potential (as impressive as it is), but its *efficiency* that is going to reshape the direction of design over the next decade. Just watch what happens to servers over the next couple of years... it has already started, and there is no going back. As of now, Apple is in the unique position to set the trends in computing for the short term. It might or might not last, but it's worth thinking about, IMHO.

I was speculating that if Apple were to enter the console game business (as they have been rumored to do for decades), and IF (yes, big huge hypothetical!) they put all the other elements in place (huge investment, expanded ecosystem, acquired the right properties), THEN they could have a considerable upper hand on the technical side. I was not trying to suggest that it would be easy or a foregone conclusion that they'd be successful in games, just that their bet on SoC is paying off to such an extent that it might give them an edge even in markets that were rather impenetrable for them otherwise.

I do not think they are going to do this, at least not in a direct way, but I think it is worth reflecting upon how the hardware landscape is changing, because it's just a matter of time before all flavors of games/entertainment are deeply affected.

That is all... cheers and thanks for the discussion!

A=

 

[Yselacrey00]

In the history of consoles there are lots of instances of superior hardware being trumped by better content and/or lower pricing. This is the story of Nintendo, always a gen or two below in hardware power because they are aiming at mainstream price. Meanwhile Apple has a good install base with iPad/iPhone regardless of their pricing yet Apple Arcade is mostly shit despite them throwing money at it. So zero confidence from me that they could curate their way into that. They don’t deserve all the blame with touch being so limited but for me iOS is just an iap graveyard, late indie game ports, and little Johnny doesn’t own a console

There are rumors they are doing something vr and ar but differentiating by solving the existing problems is just as much software as it is hardware. Current game engines are kind of shit for interactions in vr/ar so I really doubt they come in with a huge advantage beyond cool tech demos

The thing is this chips are so overpowered compared to the competition, that it would be like nintendo releasing a wii against a PS5.

Nintendo has been able to survive releasing hardware just mid generation behind, even they wouldn't survive if they release hardware a complete generiton old. That's why they plan to release a Switch Pro, they know they can't keep competing once next gen games start coming out.

So back to Apple, they have the money and they are in a unique position regarding mobile hardware. There's no other chip like the M1, that thing can run high end games today without fans, it's mind blowing.

Pitty Apple is a services company now and a handheld wouldn't add anything to them.

 

[BarringGaffner]

Yes it would obliterate the switch in power, have only ports and cost way more. And then not enough people will buy it to justify the division, apple will drop support, and nothing will have changed.

 

[Raonak]

Apple hates buttons.

so good luck making any kind of competent gaming platform.

 

[MrA]

Apple hates buttons.

so good luck making any kind of competent gaming platform.

a lack of buttons doesn't mean inherently bad games, but apple's store race to the free to play bottom certainly means most apple users won't pay anything beyond a pittance for a game unless a whale is caught

 

[Enjay]

Would be great if they did too.