I mean I can see Rojava themselves dropping the Iraqi Kurds like that proverbial hot turd. It's not like they're particularly close now or have similar governments / ideologies. And they are more willing (in theory) to cooperate with Syria than Iraqi Kurdistan is willing to cooperate with Iraq.
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Raqqa has fallen
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I mean I can see Rojava themselves dropping the Iraqi Kurds like that proverbial hot turd. It's not like they're particularly close now or have similar governments / ideologies. And they are more willing (in theory) to cooperate with Syria than Iraqi Kurdistan is willing to cooperate with Iraq.
elrechazado
Banned
Italy's got to feel left out of those sweet plans.
It was a tad over ambitious in hindsight
Charles Brandon
Member
Interesting perspective. But won't Rojava still have Turkey to deal with, even if Syria permit them to exist?
Yeah. I'm not saying that Rojava has a bright future ahead of it, just that they might try to put up a firewall between themselves and Barzani and that doing that might soothe the regional powers a little bit.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Its a smart thing to do because it recognizes that the local fighters are guys conscripted into fighting or those disenfranchised by the governments and turned to militants for basic security and services. Its how ISIS spread through Iraq picking up villages that distrusted the Iraqi government.
Charles Brandon
Member
I see. Thanks.
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Amazing news BUT...
If Sunni arabs are still treated like second-zone citizen by the Iraqi central government, or worst, like heretics by the sectarians shiites militias, the causes will remain.
We already have a lot of report of killing and abusing from these militias in Raqqa and others cites which were controlled by Daesh. We tend to forget that a lot of those militias are not really better than Daesh in the way they treat civilians.
If Sunni arabs are still treated like second-zone citizen by the Iraqi central government, or worst, like heretics by the sectarians shiites militias, the causes will remain.
We already have a lot of report of killing and abusing from these militias in Raqqa and others cites which were controlled by Daesh. We tend to forget that a lot of those militias are not really better than Daesh in the way they treat civilians.
Was Italy ever under Muslim control? Those other parts of Europe were.
CraigerGamer
Member
Those comments after the article. Sheesh. Trump's victory. Obama would have let ISIS take over the world. Why can't we have any sort of moderation and critical thinking in a comment section of the internet?
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Yes, Sicily was controlled by Abbasi caliphate for 200+ years.
But yeah, it's definitely the main criteria for Daesh grandiose dream of reconquest.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
The Ottomans occupied some of southern italy briefly too
Frustrated_me
Member
So the battle of Raqqa can finally end and the local residents rebuild their lives.
It's for the best.
Pleasing to hear that ISIS has been kicked out, but until the fundamental issues behind the conflicts that spur conflict the violence will continue under a different name.
Rebuilding isn't going to happen until the boundaries of the nations are redrawn in a sensible manner, but that's easy for me to say.
Rebuilding isn't going to happen until the boundaries of the nations are redrawn in a sensible manner, but that's easy for me to say.
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Except the rise of ISIS is also linked to the way the US and Iraq handled the post-Saddam era. ISIS sprung up because Sunni-Baathists who long enjoyed power were suddenly stripped of all representation, removed from all positions of power. A lot of early ISIS fighters were remnants of the Saddam regime. They won't be replaced as easily especially as Assad's regime once it regains full control will kill or imprison everyone who participated even in the slightest. ISIS at times was also a symbol rather than an actual group. They tried to take credit for basically every Islamic terror attack. In places like Libya they filled a vaccuum left by Gadhafi's killing and removal.
Will be hard for any major group to gain power like this going forward for a little while. I don't see any major countries being toppled, with SA crushing the Yemen revolt, Assad and his forces with Russian support taking back large swathes of Syria. Iraq and the Kurds taking every last ISIS stronghold, seems doubtful.
Of course terror will resume under a different name, but you won't see this coordination for a while. ISIS basically looted US arms that went to Iraq, captured rich oil fields, etc.
MI5 boss warns of "intense" terror threat
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41655488
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41655488
It was a tad over ambitious in hindsight
so Italy or India just aren't good enough for ISIS?
FreedomFighter
Member
I think they'll go underground into small cells and commit terror attacks here and there. The fight is far from over. If only they hadn't been created in the first place by terrible policies and wars of aggression.
A lot more to do. Won't be the last we hear of them albeit probably under different names.
Look you can't fault them for dreaming big.
It was a tad over ambitious in hindsight
FreedomFighter
Member
Shit, they wanted to eviscerate all of Africa...
It was a tad over ambitious in hindsight
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Good.
Thanks for dying, Kurds!
Now go back where you came from and give us back the cities our militias ran from and where we left military grade weapons to fall into ISIS hands.
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Now go back where you came from and give us back the cities our militias ran from and where we left military grade weapons to fall into ISIS hands.
/s
This is overly simplified of course,
but the immediate reaction of the Iraqi army against the kurdish seized territories when Raqqa hadn't even fallen yet felt like an extrem gut punch.
but the immediate reaction of the Iraqi army against the kurdish seized territories when Raqqa hadn't even fallen yet felt like an extrem gut punch.
Not all of them, like Austria and parts of the northern Balkans for example, which is marked on the map, but never lost to the Turks. They were rather the turning point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Turkish_War
So I'm not quite sure which criteria went into making this map
Bustanen
Member
Why are any daesh members allowed to leave alive? Hang those fuckers.
It's been a deal to save some of the civilians held hostage as far as I know.
Spaced Harrier
Member
Thousands of moronic sympathisers across Europe.
I remember when the arab spring was somewhat something hopeful that was suppose to give people more freedom. I really have to wonder if it's too late for such drastic change and revolutions within in a country? Weapons aren't the same as they were a 100 years ago. Not to mention regims getting support from foreign nations like Russia to keep them in power. On top of that nobody wants to deal with that aftermath.
The Emirate of Sicily lasted from 831-1091 AD, until the Norman conquest of Sicily and southern Italy, so yes. Also it was only under Abbasid calpihate for a brief time, being replaced by the Shiite Fatimid caliphate- but it was ruled by Sunni Aghlabid dynasty.
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
It would always be latent, Syria is totally ungovernable by Assad except if they give some kind of political autonomy to sunni/kurds regions.
fluffydelusions
Member
Fantastic!
Beautifully said, especially the bit about the Kurds who we seem to view as angels in all this.It's so sad to see. That "Everyone is bad now" quote by the UN War Crimes investigator wasn't lying. This twitter thread is a reminder that things will continue to get worse in the middle east even after ISIS:
I disagree, we should always take the time to educate people, even if something is supposed to be obvious. There's no point in turning people away if they are curious about something. It provides a good opportunity to spread awareness to something important
BlackGoku03
Member
I hope so. It seems like the entire region needs some significant change towards peace. And we need to stay out of it.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I'm surprised these cretins even lasted this long. Unfortunately, their real "caliphate" is the internet and that battle will be much more difficult to overcome. They spread like a disease in any country which is vulnerable due to a lack of a stable central government.