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Remains of US soldiers dumped in a landfill

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FStop7

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It's just... vile. The entire concept, from start to finish. Marching people off to die for a bullshit war made up to make a few people wealthier, and then throw away their remains in the garbage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...fill/2011/11/09/gIQAz7dM6M_story.html?hpid=z1

Washington Post said:
Remains of war dead dumped in landfill

By Craig Whitlock and Greg Jaffe, Wednesday, November 9, 3:19 PM

The Dover Air Force Base mortuary for years disposed of portions of troops’ remains by cremating them and dumping the ashes in a Virginia landfill, a practice that officials have since abandoned in favor of burial at sea.

The Dover mortuary, the main point of entry for America’s war dead and the target of federal investigations for alleged mishandling of remains, engaged in the practice from 2003 to 2008, according to Air Force officials. The manner of disposal was not disclosed to relatives of fallen service members.

Air Force officials acknowledged the practice Wednesday in response to inquiries from The Washington Post. They said the procedure was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered from the battlefield, and which family members had said could be disposed of by the military.

Lt. Gen. Darrell G. Jones, the Air Force’s deputy chief for personnel, said the body parts were first cremated, then incinerated, and then taken to a landfill by a military contractor. He likened the procedure to the disposal of medical waste.

Jones also could not estimate how many body parts were handled in this way. “That was the common practice at the time, and since then our practices have improved,” he said.

Gari-Lynn Smith, portions of whose husband’s remains were disposed of in the landfill after his 2006 death in Iraq, said she was “appalled and disgusted” by the way the Air Force had acted. She learned of the landfill burial earlier this spring in a letter from a senior official at the Dover mortuary.

“My only peace of mind in losing my husband was that he was taken to Dover and that he was handled with dignity, love, respect and honor,” Smith said. “That was completely shattered for me when I was told that he was thrown in the trash.”

An Air Force document shows that the landfill is in King George County, Va. Officials with Waste Management Inc., which operates the landfill, said the company was not informed about the origin of the ashes. “We were not specifically made aware of that process by the Air Force,” said Lisa Kardell, a spokeswoman for the company.

The Dover mortuary changed its policy in June 2008, Jones said. Since then, the Navy has placed the cremated remains of body parts in urns that are buried at sea.

Asked if it was appropriate or dignified to incinerate troops’ body parts and dispose of them in a landfill, Jones declined to answer directly. ”We have recognized a much better way of doing things,” he said. “Let me be emphatic: I think the current procedures are better.”

The disclosure of military landfill burials comes in the aftermath of multiple federal investigations that documented “gross mismanagement” at the Dover Air Force Base, which receives the remains of all service members killed in action in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere overseas.

On Tuesday, the Air Force acknowledged that the mortuary had lost a dead soldier’s ankle and an unidentified body part recovered from an air crash; had sawed off a Marine’s arm so his body would fit in his casket; and had improperly stored and tracked other remains.

The Air Force disciplined three mortuary supervisors after an 18-month investigation, but has not fired any of them, despite calls from lawmakers and veterans’ groups for tougher action.

“What happened at Dover AFB exceeds on many levels the nationwide anger that resulted from reports of mistreated wounded at the former Walter Reed Army Medical Center in 2007 and reports of lost or misplaced graves at Arlington National Cemetery,” said Richard L. DeNoyer, the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “You only get one chance to return our fallen warriors to their families with all the dignity and respect they deserve from a grateful nation — and that mortuary affairs unit failed.”

Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta on Tuesday commended the Air Force for the “thoroughness” of its investigation. His spokesman, George Little, said Wednesday that Panetta was leaving “open the possibility for further accountability” and that “there is no excuse for this kind of incident to occur.”

Under military culture and regulations, the armed services have a special obligation to care for fallen troops and their families. All troops killed overseas return to Dover in flag-draped transfer cases and are honored in what the military calls a “dignified transfer” ceremony.

Smith, whose husband was killed in Iraq, spent more than four years trying to find out what happened to his remaining body parts before she learned of the landfill disposal. Sgt. First Class Scott R. Smith served more than 16 years in the Army where he volunteered for dangerous duty defusing and destroying bombs in Iraq.

He was was killed when stepped on a pressure plate that triggered a buried bomb.

Initially, Smith said she was led to believe that his entire body was returned for the funeral. When Dover officials told Smith that her husband’s body was too badly mangled for an open-casket funeral, she said she became worried that some of his remains had not been buried with the casket.

“I knew he was blown up and had amputated limbs, but I was not getting a straight answer from the Air Force about what had happened to his body,” Smith said.

She received her husband’s autopsy report in 2007 and learned that some remains had not been found in time to include in the casket.

Shortly after Smith’s death, his parents had filled out a Defense Department form giving the Air Force permission to “make appropriate disposition” of any partial remains discovered after the body was buried, according to Pentagon records.

Gari-Lynn Smith said she believed that Dover officials would treat the remains with respect. The deceased soldier’s parents declined to comment.

In April, Trevor Dean, a senior official at the Dover mortuary, informed her in a letter that some of her husband’s body parts were cremated and dumped in a landfill in King George County. In the letter, Dean listed her husband’s first name incorrectly, an oversight that Smith saw as yet another sign of disregard for her spouse.

“This has been nothing but a nightmare,” she said.

Dean was formerly the top civilian deputy at the mortuary. The Air Force said he received a lower pay grade and voluntarily accepted a transfer to a lesser position in September as a result of separate allegations of mishandling of remains. He still works at Dover.

In an e-mail Wednesday, Dean declined to comment about the Smith case or about the landfill practices. “We are pleased with the positive change in the program,” he said in reference to reforms the Air Force says it has implemented at the mortuary.

Relatives of other service members whose remains were mishandled at Dover said Wednesday that they were shocked to learn of the errors.

Stan McDowell, the father of Capt. Mark R. McDowell, who died in an F-15E fighter jet crash in Afghanistan in July 2009, said the Air Force informed him Saturday that it couldn’t account for a 4-inch piece of flesh that may have belonged to his son.

“They were very apologetic, and it was all heartfelt,” Stan McDowell said. “We know Mark was a Christian, and that he’s in heaven. So we look at it like — ok, so maybe there are some remains that did not end up in his burial site. . .That’s not really a concern to us. And the reason is: We know Mark is separated from his body, and that he’s in heaven.”

The Air Force said it was uncertain whether the missing piece of flesh belonged to McDowell or his friend, Air Force Capt. Thomas J. Gramith, who was killed in the same jet crash. The other remains of the two airmen are buried together, under the same headstone, at Arlington National Cemetery.

Patricia O’Kane-Trombley, Gramith’s mother, said she was assured by the Air Force’s promises to ensure that something like this never happens again. “I don’t like mix-ups. Don’t get me wrong,” she said. “If Tom were here, he’d say, ‘What can we do to make this better?’ ”


Staff writer Christian Davenport and staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.

© The Washington Post Company
 
She received her husband’s autopsy report in 2007 and learned that some remains had not been found in time to include in the casket.

Shortly after Smith’s death, his parents had filled out a Defense Department form giving the Air Force permission to “make appropriate disposition” of any partial remains discovered after the body was buried, according to Pentagon records

well, the parents gave the go ahead so I'm not sure what her complaint can be, they told her her husband was blown up into pieces. what else can the Air force and Army do?
 

kehs

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Air Force officials acknowledged the practice Wednesday in response to inquiries from The Washington Post. They said the procedure was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered from the battlefield, and which family members had said could be disposed of by the military.

Lt. Gen. Darrell G. Jones, the Air Force’s deputy chief for personnel, said the body parts were first cremated, then incinerated, and then taken to a landfill by a military contractor. He likened the procedure to the disposal of medical waste.

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Zhengi

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s7evn said:
At least we now know how the government views it's soldiers. At least give the remains back to the family ffs.

Read the article. The families gave permission to them to dispose of the body parts. Still doesn't make it right the method in which they did that.
 

InertiaXr

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s7evn said:
At least we now know how the government views it's soldiers. At least give the remains back to the family ffs.


Look, ignorance. At least attempt to read part of the OP.

Washington Post said:
Air Force officials acknowledged the practice Wednesday in response to inquiries from The Washington Post. They said the procedure was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered from the battlefield, and which family members had said could be disposed of by the military.
 

FStop7

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It's not like the government just started having to figure out how to handle the remains of fallen soldiers as recently as 2003. They've had over 200 years of experience, more than enough time to figure out that this would really upset families and create anger. This is just laziness and callousness.
 
well, during Vietnam they had way more body parts to deal with so I'm not sure why they handlr it like this now. or maybe they always did it like this.
 

Zhengi

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Misanthropy said:
Body parts people. Not actual bodies. They just cremated body parts that were blown to smithereens during the war. The major part of the body, being the torso, etc., was still properly buried. It's still pretty sick though.

Well, not necessarily just from the war.

The disclosure of military landfill burials comes in the aftermath of multiple federal investigations that documented “gross mismanagement” at the Dover Air Force Base, which receives the remains of all service members killed in action in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere overseas.

On Tuesday, the Air Force acknowledged that the mortuary had lost a dead soldier’s ankle and an unidentified body part recovered from an air crash; had sawed off a Marine’s arm so his body would fit in his casket; and had improperly stored and tracked other remains.

Seems like any incident that occurred during that time that resulted in lost body parts anywhere in the world would have those body parts sent to the same place and disposed of in the same manner. Very sick.

evil solrac v3.0 said:
well, during Vietnam they had way more body parts to deal with so I'm not sure why they handlr it like this now. or maybe they always did it like this.

I was wondering about this. Did they handle all body parts in the same manner before? The article also brings up past problems they had dealing with bodies in cemeteries and such.
 

oneils

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evil solrac v3.0 said:
well, during Vietnam they had way more body parts to deal with so I'm not sure why they handlr it like this now. or maybe they always did it like this.

I'm guessing that these probably weren't new practices. We probably will never know. It would be interesting to see a real investigative piece on it, in the news.
 

akira28

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They cut off a man's arm so he would fit in the casket they had for him. I didn't see that in the article.\

edit: never mind, bottom of page 1.
 

TheMan

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Wall of text said:
They said the procedure was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered from the battlefield, and which family members had said could be disposed of by the military.

We're talking about severed legs and such, not entire bodies. What else do you expect them to do with miscellaneous body parts? The funerals (which I assume used the intact portions of the bodies) were held, families had closure. Body parts have to be disposed of, no need for them to hold separate ceremonies and have separate burial grounds for such things.
 

FStop7

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TheMan said:
We're talking about severed legs and such, not entire bodies. What else do you expect them to do with miscellaneous body parts? The funerals (which I assume used the intact portions of the bodies) were held, families had closure. Body parts have to be disposed of, no need for them to hold separate ceremonies and have separate burial grounds for such things.

There are collective graves for unidentified remains. Or if they're going to be cremated in en masse, don't dump the ashes in a fucking trash heap. I mean I think we can at least all come together on this one thing, can't we?
 

Zhengi

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TheMan said:
We're talking about severed legs and such, not entire bodies. What else do you expect them to do with miscellaneous body parts? The funerals (which I assume used the intact portions of the bodies) were held, families had closure. Body parts have to be disposed of, no need for them to hold separate ceremonies and have separate burial grounds for such things.

The new practice is to have a burial at sea for those body parts. That seems more appropriate than dumping the ashes in a landfill.
 

wsippel

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TheMan said:
We're talking about severed legs and such, not entire bodies. What else do you expect them to do with miscellaneous body parts? The funerals (which I assume used the intact portions of the bodies) were held, families had closure. Body parts have to be disposed of, no need for them to hold separate ceremonies and have separate burial grounds for such things.
And as sad as it might seem to some, those parts aren't any different from medical waste like extracted tumors, appendices or amputated limbs. You incinerate them and bury them in a landfill.
 

kruis

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wsippel said:
And as sad as it might seem to some, those parts aren't any different from medical waste like extracted tumors, appendices or amputated limbs. You incinerate them and bury them in a landfill.

Yep. I don't see why there's such an outrage - unless you only read the headline and mistakenly think the military doesn't bury dead soldiers properly but dumps the ashes on a landfill.
 

Zinga

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It's not the soldiers bodies they are putting in landfills, but parts that were unidentified or found after the body is buried.

Personally I have no problem with it, and shame on the media for sensationalising this practice. You have to wonder what some of these reporters would have said if they were alive during past wars which were far more horrific, and the methods they used.
 

Omikaru

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I think when families signed permission for any remains later found to be disposed of, they expected it to be done with a shred of respect.

A lot of families care about that, and the manner that these remains have been disposed of -- even if they are unidentifiable body parts -- is pretty upsetting.
 
Zinga said:
It's not the soldiers bodies they are putting in landfills, but parts that were unidentified or found after the body is buried.

Personally I have no problem with it, and shame on the media for sensationalising this practice. You have to wonder what some of these reporters would have said if they were alive during past wars which were far more horrific, and the methods they used.

So why not have grounds set aside specifically for the purpose of interring unidentified remains or body parts?

I don't think anyone here who is upset or disgusted by this expects the military to erect little gravestones for each body part or have something similarly elaborate set up - they just expect that the remains of soldiers who fought and died to be treated with more respect than the crap they chuck in their household bin.

EDIT:

...and as an example of respect shown to the dead, even nearly a century on - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...at-last-for-250-unknown-soldiers-1884351.html
 

Dead Man

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They said the procedure was limited to fragments or portions of body parts that were unable to be identified at first or were later recovered from the battlefield, and which family members had said could be disposed of by the military.
If that is true, then this is a massive mountain out of a molehill.
 

Darklord

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Zinga said:
It's not the soldiers bodies they are putting in landfills, but parts that were unidentified or found after the body is buried.

Still have a bit of respect and bury them somewhere. Fuck, Australia and France have been digging up WW2 soldiers in France that they can't even identify. That are clearly long since dead and half probably don't even have families anymore yet they spent all this money to get them, bring them home and bury them with respect.
 
Yeah after reading the full article I don't really see a problem. Then again, I've never understood the need for fancy elaborate burial rituals anyway.
 

siddx

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Zinga said:
It's not the soldiers bodies they are putting in landfills, but parts that were unidentified or found after the body is buried.

Personally I have no problem with it, and shame on the media for sensationalising this practice. You have to wonder what some of these reporters would have said if they were alive during past wars which were far more horrific, and the methods they used.

Exactly, I have no problem with this at all and it irritates the fuck out of my that both the OP and the person who wrote this article are trying to twist and sensationalize it for attention.
It's medical waste, the best thing to do with it is burn it and put it in a landfill.
 

Mael

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Ok, after reading a little the outrageous part is the disposal in a landfill, the rest is not exactly horrible or anything I mean.
But throw the whole thing in a landfill? Class act if I know one.
thread title is misleading though I half expect the article to be about whole bodies that oculdn't be identified to be burned and dumped in a landfill before the family could even do anything...
 

Casp0r

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Thought this thread would be about how outrageous that they would use a landfill site and not recycle ...

For shame people. This world is dying. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
 

Shanadeus

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Casp0r said:
Thought this thread would be about how outrageous that they would use a landfill site and not recycle ...

For shame people. This world is dying. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
Precisely.
These soldiers will continue to serve their country even in their death by enriching the earth with nutrients and saving land space.
 
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