BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I love their message of “you are getting nothing in return but we’re gonna need that extra dollar a month, chump.”
Might switch to Apple music but all my playlists and podcasts etc are on spotify.
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Spotify jacking up their prices at the end of July
- Thread starter BennyBlanco
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I love their message of “you are getting nothing in return but we’re gonna need that extra dollar a month, chump.”
Might switch to Apple music but all my playlists and podcasts etc are on spotify.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Is $1 the threshold for "jacking up the price"? I thought it would be like $5.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It’s the principle. $1 a month extra because fuck you that’s why.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Might unsub from everything and just go back into 2009 pirate/physical media if it deserves it mode.
ForAcademicPurposes
Gold Member
It's not even lossless or cd quality.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I was just looking at sandisk mp3 players lol
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Don’t they invest in content pretty good? I know when I used Spotify I loved their podcasts.
Giallo Corsa
Member
bu...bu...but... IT'S A BUSINESS !
YOU WANT THINGS FOR FREE ?
Fuck subscriptions, it's the modern cancer, "pay us every month to own nothing".
Every company is taking things too far, it's like, they WANT people to go back to piracy
nush
Gold Member
I ripped all my CD's when I got my first iPod. Still got all those files, thank you very much. I've got no interest in current year new music.
Pakoe
Member
Would be good if they had the option of a sub without those bullshit ass podcasts, i dont give a fuck about any those yet the homepage is full of them.
Meicyn
Gold Member
Certainly not in the music department, at least in terms of compensating the folks who make the content. Here’s how much each service pays out and the number of streams needed for an artist to make a buck:
| Tidal Music | $0.01284 | 78 |
| Apple Music | $0.008 | 125 |
| Amazon Music | $0.00402 | 249 |
| Spotify | $0.00318 | 314 |
| YouTube Music | $0.002 | 500 |
| Pandora | $0.00133 | 752 |
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Considering how much I need music and my Spotify Liked songs list for basic survival, that dollar increase is nothin'.
badblue
Gold Member
They recently added audio books.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah but they limit your monthly hours even for premium
badblue
Gold Member
I was not aware of that but I've also not run into that barrier.
I listened through 3 books last month. Each 10+ hours.
edit: weird. It's 15 hours. something must be broken in my favor.
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
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Sushi_Combo
Member
Preparing for the rest of competing services to follow suit shortly.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Ugh...popular artists feasting here.
(back of the napkin math here not accounting for actual streamed tracks)...
So someone like Taylor Swift who has 105 million listeners monthly is pulling in at least $335,506.00 a month, if every "monthly listener" only streamed one track.
Then a group like The Smile only has 625,000 monthly listeners. $1,987.00 if every "monthly listener" only streamed one track.
ReBurn
Gold Member
So many podcast makers are embedding their own ads in podcasts these days that it doesn't matter what Spotify does. Its annoying. Or telling you to subscribe on some other platform where they make more money.
West Texas CEO
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief
I'm only willing to pay $2.99 a month.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
You can’t switch to annual payments anymore
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I found this out a few months ago when I got tired of seeing a $10 charge every month for my wife's account. I purchased a $99 annual subscription card - then she had to cancel her premium account (which took it back to "free tier") then I was able to apply the pre-paid card just fine.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Ooh good shit, thank you. I’m doing this at the end of the month. Hate these little monthly subs so much.
TheDreadLord
Member
If you are an iOS/Mac user, Apple Music bundled with iCloud is a much better deal.
newtypepilot
Member
spotify has never made a profit because the labels essentially has them as a hostage. Unlike netflix, it doesnt have original content. They can't start their own label either without risk of big labels boycotting them. They tried to diversify to other things like podcasts and audiobooks but there are stiff competition.
xrnzaaas
Member
I guess must be lucky or interested in niche stuff, because almost all podcasts I listen to are ad free and their creators only ask for a sub at the beginning / end. There was one bigger exception with Beyond the Grid podcast where I got annoyed with the frequest ad segments and unsubbed.
Meicyn
Gold Member
Nah, lack of profitability is 100% on Spotify. They’re all subject to the demands from labels. Apple Music is profitable. Even Pandora figured out how to eek out a profit, and at the $10/month tier Pandora lets you build custom playlists like the other services. Spotify is focused on maximizing growth and maintaining their market dominance no matter the cost.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
You know you can skip and buy your media, right?bu...bu...but... IT'S A BUSINESS !
YOU WANT THINGS FOR FREE ?
Fuck subscriptions, it's the modern cancer, "pay us every month to own nothing".
Every company is taking things too far, it's like, they WANT people to go back to piracy
ProtoByte
Gold Member
On what authority? Apple doesn't disclose the figures on that.
As I understand, the vast majority of Pandora users do not subscribe to it and use it as personalized radio more than anything else.
Something tells me the financial structure of that is very different to spotify. We know that labels love being on playlists, it wouldn't surprise me if they were still playing favorites with the radio station-like dynamic.
Meicyn
Gold Member
A mixture of data allows one to put some puzzle pieces together.
Apple Music brought in $9.2 billion in revenue last year, from 93 million users. Apple Music does not have a freemium model, you either pay or you’re out. Essentially they are bringing in close to $99 per user annually.
Spotify brought in $13.2 billion in revenue last year, from 551 million users. You have 220 million paid users, leaving the majority on the free path while ad revenue continues to decline. Math it out, and Spotify is making just under $24 per user annually.
Spotify lost half a billion last year. Apple Music brings in four times as much revenue per user and serves less than a fifth of the userbase, meaning less costs on servers, bandwidth, employees, etc. Apple can afford to pay almost three times as much per stream than Spotify because the math easily works out in their favor. It’s pretty clear that Apple Music is profitable.
Apple Music Revenue and Usage Statistics (2024)
iTunes and the iPod revolutionized the music industry in the early 2000s, as the hardware and software duo which popularized singles over albums and allowed users to store thousands of songs on a single device. That now seems quaint, but for over a decade it was the way most people listened to...
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Spotify Revenue and Usage Statistics (2024)
Spotify is the world’s biggest music streaming platform by number of subscribers. Users of the service simply need to register to have access to one of the largest collections of music in history, plus podcasts and other audio content. It operates on a freemium model. Free Spotify access comes...
www.businessofapps.com
About 13% of Pandora users are on the premium tier. They also pay the least to artists of the ones I listed, however they managed to negotiate that with the labels. Despite having the vast majority of their users on the free plan, they still earned over $638 million in profit last year and have been profitable for four years running. You can speculate about how much different the financial structure is, but Spotify made their own bed. When you pursue growth at all costs and post a profit loss every single year since 2006, that isn’t the music labels’ fault.
Pandora Music Revenue and Usage Statistics (2024)
In today’s world, music streaming is the prevailing way to listen to music. It accounts for 85 percent of the music industry revenue, with Spotify and Apple Music leading the way. But 20 years ago, the music industry was in a far different position. Physical sales accounted for the vast majority...
www.businessofapps.com
dorkimoe
Member
except the discovery weekly on spotify blows apple music out of the water
source: i have both
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Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
I am constantly rotating between free months on Apple Music / Deezer / Spotify / etc., what you describe is not as important in the end. How much music can you consume? Just find the playlist of the mood you want and press Shuffle.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Because “hook you up with low price, then increase it” is an MO for digital offerings everywhere. It has your gullibility and laziness baked into the business model.
Lucifers Beard
Member
I cancelled my duo account as it went from £12.99 last year (I believe) to £14.99 and now £17.99. Sorry but I'm not paying that for no additional features. I've moved over to YouTube instead since I watch so much stuff on there and music is included. It might not be quite as good as Spotify but it's cheaper and does the same job ultimately.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
That's interesting, I was going to post that the monthly Spotify fee isn't so bad, versus the cost of my cd buying habit 20 years ago (oh God). I used to buy a single album for more than $11.99 most weeks. In that sense, Spotify is way, way, way cheaper than physical media was.
But, I guess the question is more about people's usage. If they're paying $11.99 every month and only ever listen to Taylor Swift, then it's a big expense. It'd be cheaper to buy her album every other year (or however often). But, if you listen to a couple of new albums every month it starts to make a lot of sense.
I've still got a box or two with a few hundred CDs in, most of them are ripped to my NAS but I never ever play either. I just use my Spotify sub, my girlfriend and I have a duo account and it's even cheaper that way.
I don't expect it to be popular to say, but I think music is too cheap now. I honestly don't think the average person values music as much as they used to.
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