KuraiShidosha
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Yeah I don't agree. Everything looks super low detail and muddy. Feel exactly like these guys in this old thread about it:
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Tears of the Kingdom is a boring game
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touchfuzzy
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I think it's probably my favorite game of all time, so obviously hard disagree.
I think each of BOTW and TOTK are individual masterpieces, but the two taken together as a full experience are far and away the greatest thing crafted in this industry (and it's not even particularly close).
I think each of BOTW and TOTK are individual masterpieces, but the two taken together as a full experience are far and away the greatest thing crafted in this industry (and it's not even particularly close).
GymWolf
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Both games are unfocused as fuck, it's kinda the whole point of them, letting you do what you want.
Except in totk you can't go to the final boss after a couple of hours, i think you have a more "classic" structure with steps to do before facing the finale, so i think totk is a bit more focused than botw.
Most of the things i listed are facts except story, skills and maybe dungeons (but i fail to think anyone who can prefer the dungeons in botw).
You have more enemy types and slightly better bosses, more ways to travers the map, what you find during exploration is a bit more useful and long term and give you a better sense of progression (just upgrading the battery to use the zonai devices is better than anytjing inside botw progression wise), you have both sky islanda and depth, the new skills make puzzle even more free to be solved in unexpected ways, the companions were a great reward for completing the dungeons instead of just having new rechargable skills like in botw, too bad the framerate goes into shit even more if you use them (switch hardware fault, not the game).
Like i think tokt is definitely the better game, the problem is that like someone else said, the improvements really don't solve almost any problem from the first game so they don't feel like big upgrades.
You have more enemy but they are still easy and retarded as fuck and combat in general still suck asses
Better dungeons but still decent at best compared to the best dungeons on the market
Better rewards for exploration but still crappy compared to games with better loot and better sense of progression
Better bosses but just compared to the absolute trash that were the bosses in the first game
More varied traversal but what you build is too much physics based so unless you are a fucking car builder in real life it's probably not gonna be super fun to use because you have a fucking wheel half centimeter too much on the left...
Fun fact, i absolutely hate building stuff in any game, and totk was basically the only game where i KINDA enjoyed the process, not much building cars and airplanes but just solving puzzles in unexpected ways and making a bridge with trees to reach a place, that type of stuff.
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Team Andromeda
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Spot on post
TaroYamada
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They are both pretty boring games tbh, I beat BOTW but was disappointed with it. I couldn't bring myself to invest in TOTK much. I think I beat the first dungeon, that mine facility underground. And I think I completed the mountain/goron city stuff. It definitely felt like an expansion pack to me and it was already a fairly unfocused Zelda experience in BOTW.
Would love to see a return to OOT/Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess style of game but suspect we'll never see that style of Zelda again.
Would love to see a return to OOT/Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess style of game but suspect we'll never see that style of Zelda again.
VideoGameEnjoyer
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I think I like both games less now?
I'll always very fondly remember the first couple magical weeks of BOTW. But when I finally 'beat' the game years later I didn't really feel the same way about it. Leading up to TOTK I was incredibly excited, and again had a really fun couple of weeks. But as of today I have still only done one or two temples, and probably less than 35% of all the content. With no intentions to go back to it anytime soon.
They are obviously good games, and I think of them as high quality entries. But if I think of best or my favorite games? They aren't making it.
I'll always very fondly remember the first couple magical weeks of BOTW. But when I finally 'beat' the game years later I didn't really feel the same way about it. Leading up to TOTK I was incredibly excited, and again had a really fun couple of weeks. But as of today I have still only done one or two temples, and probably less than 35% of all the content. With no intentions to go back to it anytime soon.
They are obviously good games, and I think of them as high quality entries. But if I think of best or my favorite games? They aren't making it.
EverydayBeast
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People are over thinking the OP, boring is a good thing and btw TOTK was a roller coaster ride for me, how many of those shrines, dungeons and side quests were quality? All of them.
Shadowstar39
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Ubisoft clone? was there towers to unlock and woke politics in it? If not then its not ubisoft clone. Ubisoft doesn't own open world design.
As for the game, havent' played it, still shrink wrapped on my game shelf. I have to beat botw first, but man after getting past the Zora's domain, I tired of it and so many other games came out (my switch library is way over 100+ games, probably way more. So I will get to it eventually, just hope switch 2 is backwards compatible, as I fear the batteries dying on the switch with no way to replace, or the servers going belly up and no re-downloading ala 3ds.
TropicanaTwista
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Sure, that's true. But in the example of going to a shrine. In BoTW there is really only 1 way to solve/complete (been a bit so maybe there are some that are multi solutions, but just in general), while in ToTK their are multiple. I get why some people like the ToTK approach more, but to me it feels cheap and cheesy.
If we're being honest here, they're both dog shit. ToTK having "better" dungeons is a nothing burger when they are both complete ass. Hell, I would argue ToTK being a sequel, which is basically the same map and assets, the dungeons should have been leaps and bounds better instead of marginal at best. I will give ToTK this though, getting to the dungeons was pretty dope. I especially enjoyed going up to the wind Temple, that was fun.
Touched on the multi solution puzzles already but would add that BoTW felt more like Zelda to me. When I think of Zelda, I think of exploration (both games excel in that) and puzzles/dungeons (for this sake really just puzzles and am viewing the shrines as just small parts of an overall dungeon). This is where I feel ToTK falls short. In almost every puzzle in BoTW I felt I accomplished something, just the dumb ass combat shrines withstanding. While In ToTK, I didn't feel that much at all. Can't find the proper solution, just build some nonsense and see yourself out. Idk, both are very different from tradition Zelda's but I feel BoTW was more a Zelda game than ToTK for that reason. I still regard both highly, probably like a 8.5 out of 10 for ToTK and a 9 for BoTW. But they just don't compare to older Zelda's, neither of these make my top 5 in favorite Zelda ever. Hell, they may even miss the top 10.
I disagree, but I see where you are coming from.
If you are not into building and painting your own adventure, in every quest, and in every puzzle, then yeah - TOTK might feel underwhelming and samey on the surface.
But for me it did just the opposite; Made me realize I can approach every situation using my own imagination and creativity.
For me, it is BOTW, but fully realized.
TOTK makes BOTW feel like a tech demo by comparison.
A one of a kind game that is more next gen than any game on the PS5/Xbox.
If you are not into building and painting your own adventure, in every quest, and in every puzzle, then yeah - TOTK might feel underwhelming and samey on the surface.
But for me it did just the opposite; Made me realize I can approach every situation using my own imagination and creativity.
For me, it is BOTW, but fully realized.
TOTK makes BOTW feel like a tech demo by comparison.
A one of a kind game that is more next gen than any game on the PS5/Xbox.
Muffdraul
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TotK took me six weeks of daily play to finish, almost 300 hours total, and it never bored me one bit. And that's after multiple BotW play thrus over the previous six years, the last of which started the day the TotK 10 min demo hit youtube and ended literally the day before TotK unlocked on my Switch. And I'm about 60% through my second TotK play thru, though that's something I only chip away at here and there over time.
Meanwhile, as much as I was loving FFVII Rebirth, I got so bored of it around the time I hit Cosmo Canyon like a damn month ago, probably around 60 hours. And I still haven't finished it. I finally made it to the final battle yesterday, all the way to the final final final final final phase... but just couldn't seal the deal. I dread going back to it and starting over from the beginning of that battle. Probably gonna set it to Easy just to get it the fuck over with already. Shame, I was really really loving Rebirth for the first 70%. But they took a breezy fun classic and turned it into a modern morass of too many busywork chores.
Meanwhile, as much as I was loving FFVII Rebirth, I got so bored of it around the time I hit Cosmo Canyon like a damn month ago, probably around 60 hours. And I still haven't finished it. I finally made it to the final battle yesterday, all the way to the final final final final final phase... but just couldn't seal the deal. I dread going back to it and starting over from the beginning of that battle. Probably gonna set it to Easy just to get it the fuck over with already. Shame, I was really really loving Rebirth for the first 70%. But they took a breezy fun classic and turned it into a modern morass of too many busywork chores.
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GymWolf
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Didn't i said the same in my post? the dungeons are better but still pretty meh.
TropicanaTwista
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You did. I still don't think it matters much though. Going from mega ass to super ass isn't much of an upgrade. My overall point is if you want to call the dungeons an upgrade from BoTW, that's fine, you won't get too much disagreement from me there. They are both still awful though and because of that I don't think that suddenly makes ToTK > BoTW
GymWolf
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Yeah, but a little improvement here, a little improvement there, and when you add everything that is improved, the game is just better, samey, but better.
If you only have to play one, tokt is just the more(slightly) evolved.
StueyDuck
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Literally yes there is.
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Windom Earle
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I am quite shocked how many agree with me on this. Really hope the next Zelda can pick up the pieces and be a more worthwhile experience.
kunonabi
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The sad thing is as much I hated BotW I still thought it was a good framework to build a better game off much like Oot which I also didn't care for. I really expected TotK to be be a huge upgrade that would properly address at least some of BotW problems. For them to crib so much from botw including puzzles, gear, and story structure is just not something I expected them to do even as painfully lazy as Switch-era Nintendo as been.
GigaBowser
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loud minority peoples agree in threads all the time make a poll you will get destroyed its all true Im sorry my friends
alucard0712_rus
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I played it (almost) a year ago for month. Absolutely liked it but I always compared it to BOTW in my head so I had mixed feelings from TOTK. I thought the first one is more relaxed and simple. This was just too complex for me (by that time).
Almost a year has passed and after watching a dev presentation (which was super impressive for me) I've tried it again and was shocked just how good it is and I finnaly got it. Its was just super overwhelming at first - the game throws to you everything without limitation while you kinda wanted to 'just play and relax' and trying to find a reason to all of that. I feel nothing like that now. Its superior to BOTW in every way except it came after BOTW so impression is different.
I just wondered around with no goal and found so many new things that impressed me beside that I have done 2 bosses and have almost all the map already. Not bored now because I want to try so much things with ultrahand and fuse, do quests, korok missions... There is so much to do so I glad that I haven't forced it last time and waited until the moment. I also never watched any videos from it to not be spoiled.
My verdict - its awesome but also can be very complex, it's not for novice players at all. I have so much to say about the game but tired of typing and kinda don't care much to do so. I got it now and I'm glad I did.
I also have to say - this game will age very very well.
Almost a year has passed and after watching a dev presentation (which was super impressive for me) I've tried it again and was shocked just how good it is and I finnaly got it. Its was just super overwhelming at first - the game throws to you everything without limitation while you kinda wanted to 'just play and relax' and trying to find a reason to all of that. I feel nothing like that now. Its superior to BOTW in every way except it came after BOTW so impression is different.
I just wondered around with no goal and found so many new things that impressed me beside that I have done 2 bosses and have almost all the map already. Not bored now because I want to try so much things with ultrahand and fuse, do quests, korok missions... There is so much to do so I glad that I haven't forced it last time and waited until the moment. I also never watched any videos from it to not be spoiled.
My verdict - its awesome but also can be very complex, it's not for novice players at all. I have so much to say about the game but tired of typing and kinda don't care much to do so. I got it now and I'm glad I did.
I also have to say - this game will age very very well.
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hououinkyouma00
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This is dumb.
People are allowed to not like something whether it’s considered a masterpiece, a piece of shit, or just a standard piece of entertainment.
I think all modern art is stupid and boring but that doesn’t affect the creator and that doesn’t stop somebody from enjoying it themselves.
You think it’s a masterpiece, and others think it’s boring and repetitive. I’m somewhere in the middle and that’s okay.
Tears of the Kingdom for me is complicated. On one hand the gameplay loop still gets me and they improved a lot of what I didn’t like about BoTW. On the other hand I found the sky islands disappointing (most are just tiny areas with maybe a chest and a couple enemies on it) and the depths I found suck the fun out of my gameplay.
I didn’t like BoTW the first like two times I tried it. I got to the first “dungeon” and gave up twice. Then it clicked and I found myself playing it for hours and hours and being obsessed with it. Ultimately I’d give BoTW a 9 and ToTK a 8. The highs are much higher than the lows. I understand how people would dislike it though.
GigaBowser
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96 metacritic higher scores thens any exclusive on any other platform and higher sales
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R6Rider
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Your seal of approval is you crying?96 metacritic higher scores thens any exclusive on any other platform and higher sales
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GigaBowser
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Don't think you'll convince anyone with the scores and sales argument. Honestly, kinda sounds like cope.
GigaBowser
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Windom Earle
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Yet there are luxurious amounts of valid criticism for the game in his very thread.
SantaC
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10 points extra for being a Zelda game96 metacritic higher scores thens any exclusive on any other platform and higher sales
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Mephisto40
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Switch users eat better than Xbox or Sony in terms of first party. This argument holds no water.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I think all first party games (no matter to whom they belong to) get higher scores than they should in fears of the company blacklisting the publication and not giving them any review copies in the future.
That's why I think review scores shouldn't matter to anyone, much better to look up some negative reviews online and considering if those sound like a deal breaker or not.
how many sequels do games like tekken and street fighter have? wait, what's the point of making a sequel again?
Windom Earle
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I have no clue where you are going with this but comparing fighting games to Zelda is quite something.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Combat upgrades are incremental, not usually a from the grounds up overhaul. At least that is what I think he is getting at.
TheDreadBaron
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Windom Earle is a boring character, all this buildup about his evil plan and then he gets got instantly upon entering the black lodge. What a bonehead.
TheDreadBaron
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I'm not saying people aren't allowed to feel how they feel, I'm just saying if someone's reaction to the master level gamecraft on offer is that it's "boring" then they don't deserve to be served such a deliciously and lovingly prepared meal and they can eat cold tuna out of a can instead.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
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The game is mid. Just like Breath of the Mild.
Doctor Hades
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Loved Breath of the Wild, especially on PC running with enhancements via the Cemu emulator, but just couldn't get into Tears of the Kingdom at all. Felt too samey to me, visually the game had no improvements despite the five year gap, and I just found the whole concept of having experiment with and construct things to be tedious. This was also true of Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts 'n' Bolts on Xbox One, another franchise which I adored the first two games of on N64 and later on Xbox 360 et al but found the latter sequel to just be too much work to be enjoyable. Guess fans of Minecraft and stuff would love those games but that is something I don't play either or any game which requires me to waste time having to build things as part of the gameplay loop. Each to their own, I guess, but not for me.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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I really don’t see a problem with TOTK allowing you to “cheese” the game with the Zonai devices.
If anything, the game opens up a gigantic philosophical chasm that game theory will take a while to fill.
I remember several times in the game when I did something that would be considered cheesing it, or exploiting glitches in any other game. Only, in TOTK the game’s engine deliberately allows for those things, so is it still cheating if it’s perfectly within the game’s rules?
At times it feels like Nintendo follows the speedrunning community (I’m absolutely sure they do) and wanted to make walking through walls and ceilings a feature, rather than a bug. But did they really? No one knows. That’s why that nagging sensation that I was somehow cheating never left me. And that’s a great “fuck you” to anyone who wants to gatekeep by telling others how a game should be played (looking at you, “easy mode would ruin Souls” crowd).
So yeah, you can spend minutes trying to figure out how to best arrange pieces of wood to hold a road sign up. Or you can just take out a floating platform or two, and solve the problem in a matter of seconds.
It rains and you want to build a campfire? Just use a floating platform to shelter your fire.
Can’t climb a wet rock wall? You may use Ascend.
Suck it, BOTW. You and your Murhpy Law-inspired rain algorithm. Go back to BOTW today and you’ll be reminded how the game visibly decides to make it rain just by how you move the camera to look at a climbable surface. That fucking game knows, and it trolls you to no end.
If anything, the game opens up a gigantic philosophical chasm that game theory will take a while to fill.
I remember several times in the game when I did something that would be considered cheesing it, or exploiting glitches in any other game. Only, in TOTK the game’s engine deliberately allows for those things, so is it still cheating if it’s perfectly within the game’s rules?
At times it feels like Nintendo follows the speedrunning community (I’m absolutely sure they do) and wanted to make walking through walls and ceilings a feature, rather than a bug. But did they really? No one knows. That’s why that nagging sensation that I was somehow cheating never left me. And that’s a great “fuck you” to anyone who wants to gatekeep by telling others how a game should be played (looking at you, “easy mode would ruin Souls” crowd).
So yeah, you can spend minutes trying to figure out how to best arrange pieces of wood to hold a road sign up. Or you can just take out a floating platform or two, and solve the problem in a matter of seconds.
It rains and you want to build a campfire? Just use a floating platform to shelter your fire.
Can’t climb a wet rock wall? You may use Ascend.
Suck it, BOTW. You and your Murhpy Law-inspired rain algorithm. Go back to BOTW today and you’ll be reminded how the game visibly decides to make it rain just by how you move the camera to look at a climbable surface. That fucking game knows, and it trolls you to no end.
BlackTron
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What really pissed me off is when the game leaked and some individuals started saying "dungeons are back!"
alucard0712_rus
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You must be living boring life
Radical Dreamer
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LMAO
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Hype usually leads people to think things are better that how they actually are. Honeymoon period and all that.
It really baffles me, how in 1998 Nintendo managed to make a game with 9 dungeons + a well, an ice cave and Ganon's Castle in less than 3 years of dev time, but nowadays they only manage to create 4 which level design makes them feel like a joke when compared to the ones in previous titles.
I don't want to shit on the game too much since it seems to do some stuff right, but as a Zelda game it sure was disappointing to me.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
Nah I’m just miserableYou must be living boring life
ShadyAcshuns
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Best games ever made IMHO.
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