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[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Not to defend the FBI but this happened last year,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

if the government wants to prevent this from happening they could try actually dealing with the racist police violence that provoked it

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Is this considered a credible source?

This is the first time I've ever heard of this publication. I know The Root ran it afterward, but that's more like a blog than a news outlet like WP, NYT, or The Guardian.

I am wondering the same.

 

[IrishNinja]

Need to add Jamelle (good call), and also throwing out Shaun King for anyone else adding these

yeah Kings doing good work wiry tracking down those Charlottesville nazis & such, I'd just read too much (joy reid etc) that he's not alwuas had the best track record with social justice efforts..not quite hotep but between that & the flags that went off for me when he linked up with TyT I just pass on dude myself, but again I get it

 

[Alo0oy]

They're not even sugarcoating it, they're criminalizing the black identity.

 

[theignoramus]

"Black Identity" phrasing is key

They criminalizing being black.

Well they have a term for it.

The Trump administration will be waiting to roll out this new terminology. ALL Black people who protest police brutality will be branded as part of the BIE movement.

 

[Haly]

Waiting for White Identity Extremists.

Aaaaaaany day now.

 

[elrechazado]

Waiting for White Identity Extremists.

Aaaaaaany day now.

Huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...abff24-a38b-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html

 

[Zeus Molecules]

And now they can force apple and Google to search your phone for them and feed them relevant information.

I bet we will find out in 50 years the government was keeping special tabs on all minority groups in the US

FTFY

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Makes me wonder 50 years from now, which black public figures will it come to light that the FBI tried to frame or have assassinated to control this influx of "Black Identity Extremists."

I don't know considering the lack of public leaders who aren't entertainers or pundits right now....... I sort of think COINTELPRO did the job the first time around.

 

[Faustek]

I'm thinking of an old book where this made up country took in refugees from the US.

Wonder how long until it will actually be true and not just a few random people.

 

[Galactic Barret]

Wasn't one of the first things Cheetolini's DOJ did was to reduce focus on White Supremacist groups?

Yes, yes he did.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...amme-neo-nazi-counter-extremism-a7558796.html



So Muslims and Blacks are more of a concern than the group who had committed, and is considered the biggest domestic threat in the United States? Your bigotry is showing love.

This isn't surprising. Trump's father was either a full-blown Nazi or a Nazi worshiper. Trump's ex wife has stated that Trump used to keep Hitler's memoirs or a copy of his speeches in his bedside drawer. It took him MONTHS to disavow white nationalists. His cabinet has a least two people known to have liked or advocated for the Alt-Right and the KKK.

There is no longer, and probably never was, any doubt that our current President is a white supremacist. The question is, what can we do about it?

What I currently find funny is how our elected officials are supposed to work for us, yet we depend on them to hold each other accountable. We can't fire an unworthy or unsuitable President without his peers, all of whom supposedly work for the public, stepping up. I get the giggles when I'm in fear for my future and life.

 

[Amory]

if the government wants to prevent this from happening they could try actually dealing with the racist police violence that provoked it

Yeah shooter was totally justified right?

 

[Violence Jack]

Racism might actually be more American than apple pie

Or baseball

 

[Vermillion]

Fuck this country.

.

 

[ACR0019]

if the government wants to prevent this from happening they could try actually dealing with the racist police violence that provoked it

WTF is this reasoning?

 

[Lightning_Roller]

I fucking hate this country so much right now.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Yeah shooter was totally justified right?

If you want to deal with crimes caused by poverty is it better to police more harshly or to reduce poverty? If you're dealing with crimes caused by drug addiction is it better to police more harshly or provide treatment for drug addiction? If you're dealing with a crime caused by racist police murders is it better to police more harshly or stop the racist police murders?

 

[Faustek]

WTF is this reasoning?

The FBI claim it themselves.

"premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against the police."

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

The FBI claim it themselves.

"premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against the police."

Hush now, claiming that effects have causes is basically the same as encouraging people to kill cops willy-nilly

 

[Garrett 2U]

This is very well timed. After Charlottesville, after Trumps racist remarks regarding Colin Kaepernick, after the Vegas shooting.

It’s just further proof that this administration is retaliation for the first black president.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Did the FBI literally spell out why this is happening...? In their own report? Why not start the solution there.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Did the FBI literally spell out why this is happening...? In their own report? Why not start the solution there.

The FBI, and the US government generally, has not historically been in the business of fighting white supremacy

 

[Heshinsi]

Do they? This is the same law enforcement agency who is being spun as announcing that white nationalism is as big a threat as radical Islam (perhaps not how I'd interpret the figures but there you go).

This is not to downplay the potential rhetoric behind this report or any biases the FBI may endemically have - I don't know. I'm not even from the USA. However, I would say:

i) Unfortunately, with so many police brutality allegations mired in quicksand and obfuscation, the FBI is very likely attempting to avoid further controversy by continually writing "alleged" or "perceptions" in their report. They are trying to avoid outright stating something slanderous that could prejudice something not completely proven. Of COURSE there is a problem with police brutality, and of course what the FBI have written comes across as if they're denying it because that's what we think as readers from the word "alleged"; but that's just the nature of the beast.

ii) Activism is not the same thing as "ideologically motivated criminal activity" on paper. In the minds of an investigator with bias unconscious or otherwise, perhaps there is - but at least in the words of a report, this isn't the case.

I worry that I'm sounding like a terrible apologist in the above, and I'm not intending to be. However, I also don't think that this report is intended to be some kind of horrific racist finger-pointing exercise; it simply identifies that some instances of domestic terrorism can occur through a twisting of an extremely positive ideology.

But we know that the FBI is literally monitoring white supremacist/nationalist groups. Example:
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/98000602/

Ya'll keep bringing up FBI statements or directions that were pre-Trump. February of this year, white supremacists and militia groups were made less of a focus, and that manpower and resources were directed towards Islamists (and Blacks now as well). Trump and his cronies have changed things.

 

[theignoramus]

The FBI, and the US government generally, has not historically been in the business of fighting white supremacy

I don't why it isn't common knowledge that the US government basically refused to pass anti-lynching legislation in the South for decades.
The US Federal government has long tolerated and abided violent White supremacy in the territorial United States. There have been very few exceptions and disruptions to this 200 year pattern.

 

[celljean89]

I believe that when Trump was elected as President, that America will be heading down the Nixon 2.0 lane. The damage the FBI has done, slow the progress of equality, and I knew that this was coming. And it still scares me and it hurts, knowing that this potentially could hurt black people.

So they want black voices to be silent, and black people should not be protesting.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

The more I think about this the more angry I get. This is clearly to disrupt BLM.

 

[Vital Tundra]

Well fuck me, and all of us. Nothing has changed, if it wasn't already clear.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

It begins. Bring the gestapos. Bring the ghetto.

 

[sir_kevith]

So the Paddock guy builds a massive personal arsenal of weapons and there were no red flags. But they're worried about BLM? Fuck this.

 

[Strike]

The spirit of J. Edgar Hoover is alive and well, I see.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Perhaps we should take on corruption and police brutality.... No, it’s the Black people who are wrong

Skinner.gif

 

[Bold One]

Looks like the oppressed in America will continue to fight on ALL fronts.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Ok, that's not necessarily what I'm saying or what others are saying, though. This is the first step to the FBI using a violent act to crack down on a movement like BLM, meanwhile nothing being done on the long and tired white supremacist end of things or that massive movement (and make no mistake, it's far larger and more storied than BLM, maybe too big for the FBI to even tackle)

Their intent is going to be to stop BLM. That's the endgame. Not a single white supremacists group, rally, or any other element that radicalized that person in the article you posted is brought up. It's just "another individual." It briefly mentions the Aryan Nations but is there a follow up to that? That's a group that's been around since the 70s, so how is that crack-down going?

The FBI's job is not to stamp groups out of existence, it is to prevent them from engaging in crimes.

Granted, there is much potential for abuse here, and caution is warranted, but the false notions that the FBI doesn't track white supremacists is not a good rationale for concern.

 

[roknin]

And people wonder why black folks are so cynical when it comes to the government.

 

[NastyBook]

I wanna smack the shit out of Cornel West for arguing that the same shit would have happened under Hilary.

Race Soldier murders happened under Obama, so...

Fuck your anthem, fuck your flag, fuck your Manchurian Candidates.

edit: Second sentence wasn't directed towards you, bleepey.

 

[Zushin]

Oh fuck off you revolting cunts. What a joke.

 

[NastyBook]

So they want black voices to be silent, and black people should not be protesting.

These WS don't give a shit about protesting. They don't want blacks consolidating any semblance of power or knowledge. These recent protests have only put black people in harm's way. This BIE bs is to interrupt the flow of information between blacks that (rightfully) don't trust the MSM to cover anything that benefits/empowers them.

 

[Malyse]

I wish my tag was Black Identity Extremist.

 

[Screaming Meat]

I wish my tag was Black Identity Extremist.

It's a great name for a hip hop collective.

Also: FBI pulling evil bullshit is tragically nothing new.

 

[Ovid]

Makes me wonder 50 years from now, which black public figures will it come to light that the FBI tried to frame or have assassinated to control this influx of "Black Identity Extremists."

Deray most likely.

 

[Black Republican]

decades from now, we'll have people once again saying "if i was alive back then, i woulda stood up to this injustice!"

uh-huh

 

[Mahonay]

I guess most of us are extremists then.

Disgusting. Government sponsored racism is still alive and well.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Time is a flat circle

 

[CadetMahoney]

Being black while black.

.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Holy shit. Such open and blatant racism.

 

[Spenny]

Going after the root of the problems in the black community? Nah. COINTELPRO is back, baby!

 

[Nikodemos]

Armed neo-Nazis marching in the streets?

"Nah, 's OK."


A hostile foreign power using numerous domestic puppets to undermine the state?

"Ehh, just some wacky hijinks."


Black people demanding they be treated like actual human beings?

"THEM NIGGERS ARE GETTIN ROWDY AGAIN! CALL UP THE POSSE!"

Spoiler

You all know that's exactly what those worthless shitstains are thinking when they see black people protesting for their rights.

 

[ChainedMaster]

Just out of curiousity, how many have these "BIE's" killed?

 

[Protein]

Law enforcement: "It's black people that have the problem, not us."

 

[Mammoth Jones]

And people wonder why black folks are so cynical when it comes to the government.

This is half my problem with white liberal ideology when they super swear government will solve our problems without actually having any semblance of a discussion on dismantling the white supremacy that's at the root of government.