What's good for Nintendo IS good for the gamer. I wouldn't want to partake in a gaming industry that didn't have Nintendo in it.How is a consoles profitability good for the gamer? I'm glad that Nintendo is making money with the Switch I suppose but as a gamer am I getting good price for performance out of the system?
Hardware and software sales for the systems were accounted for those profits/loss result.I take it this is based soley on the actual console sales and nothing else?, because game attach rates were huge on 360, same with PS1 and PS2.
PS3 and 360 being in minus would make sense because of the RROD fiasco on 360, and PS3 selling at a loss most of ts life, but both consoles will be well into profit when taking into account game sales, licenses, and controllers, Kinect, etc. But it only makes sense if this is based SOLEY on console hardware sales.
Nintendo being where they are is no surprise with their continued low end hardware at high prices strategy.
Hardware + Software + Online/MTX/DLCWhat are these numbers based on? Just hardware sales?
Really, i find that hard to believe to be honest. I take it stuff like controllers, Kinect, PSMove, etc are also taken into account?. I fint it hard to beleive that as consoles always used to be sold at a loss as the real money was in game sales, and that was way back in th old days when they didnt have all these online features to make money from like today. I find it had to believe consoles like the PS1 and PS2 made so little money if this is taking EVRYTHING into account in terms of revenue.Hardware and software sales for the systems were accounted for those profits/loss result.
Nintendo made more profits with GCN/GBA during PS2 era, the only time Nintendo made less profits than Sony was during WiiU/3DS era.Really, i find that hard to believe to be honest. I take it stuff like controllers, Kinect, PSMove, etc are also taken into account?. I fint it hard to beleive that as consoles always used to be sold at a loss as the real money was in game sales, and that was way back in th old days when they didnt have all these online features to make money from like today. I find it had to believe consoles like the PS1 and PS2 made so little money if this is taking EVRYTHING into account in terms of revenue.
Oh i'm not doubting Nintendo's success, thats why i didnt mention them in the above post. They will continue fleecing gamers for years to come.Nintendo made more profits with GCN/GBA during PS2 era, the only time Nintendo made less profits than Sony was during WiiU/3DS era.
4.5 years ago Switch was pretty good hardware wise. There wasn't really a better soc available unless they went with arm and got a high end mobile soc but then Switch would have been more expensive.How is a consoles profitability good for the gamer? I'm glad that Nintendo is making money with the Switch I suppose but as a gamer am I getting good price for performance out of the system?
Can you link the sources? According to former Xbox exec Robbie Bach Xbox 360 was profitable.Hardware + Software + Online/MTX/DLC
3ds had an emergency price cut that put the company in red for the first time. It had taken years to recover but overall it's not profitable for Nintendo.Wii U may have bombed, but 3DS sold 75 million units. The profits on the system and games must be huge making it at least a positive bar?
Can you link the sources? According to former Xbox exec Robbie Bach Xbox 360 was profitable.
Is this adjusted for inflation? 3 Billion on PS1 was a TON more than 3 billion in 2011.Hardware and software sales for the systems were accounted for those profits/loss result.
Not surprised with switch, such little money must go into making those games. Especially all those ports and refreshes like Mario Kart that sell 10’s of millions. And games that look worse than alot of indies must be cheap to make.
The first two articles contains no real data, they just link to another article on Kotaku(!), which contains no real data either and is largely based on a 2012 GDC presentation by the author (who just so happened to work for a mobile publisher) in which he predicted the imminent death of console gaming. He does claim that Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division posted a $7.8 billion loss in his presentation, but he completely ignores that those numbers include losses from other notable duds such as the Windows Phone and Zune.They did recover a little bit at the end, but it was too big to offset the profits lost in the previous years.
It has been adjusted by Resetera user who posted the PlayStation sales result.Is this adjusted for inflation? 3 Billion on PS1 was a TON more than 3 billion in 2011.
I would take Microsoft home entertainment financial results over former Xbox executive that shows nothing to support his claims.The first two articles contains no real data, they just link to another article on Kotaku(!), which contains no real data either and is largely based on a 2012 GDC presentation by the author (who just so happened to work for a mobile publisher) in which he predicted the imminent death of console gaming. He does claim that Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division posted a $7.8 billion loss in his presentation, but he completely ignores that those numbers include losses from other notable duds such as the Windows Phone and Zune.
In short, it's the word of a former Xbox executive versus that of a mobile-shilling Kotaku author who turned out to be spectacularly wrong in his predictions. I know who I'm going with here.
The third article is about hardware only.
The fourth article is from 2007. Xbox 360 was in production until 2016. Do you see them problem?
Xbox division
2001-2005= -$4bn
2006 = -$1.89bn
2007 = -$1.28bn
2008 = +$0.43bn
2009 = +$0.17bn
2010 = +$0.61bn
You're making the mistake of assuming that Xbox has its own division within Microsoft. This has never been the case, especially back in the Xbox 360 days when Xbox shared a space with a whole bunch of failed forays into other hardware markets. Just because a division is losing money doesn't mean that all of the products it is responsible for are unprofitable.I would take Microsoft home entertainment financial results over former Xbox executive that shows nothing to support his claims.
Also when you break software and hardware sales records.Easy to make a profit when you sell outdated tech at a mark up
Wii U laughs at losing less money than the PS3 and 360!
Especially all those ports and refreshes like Mario Kart that sell 10’s of millions. And games that look worse than alot of indies must be cheap to make.
If it’s so easy why don’t other companies do it?Easy to make a profit when you sell outdated tech at a mark up
Also easy to do when you compete with nobodyAlso when you break software and hardware sales records.
I could say why but I'm not risking it.If it’s so easy why don’t other companies do it?
Metroid Dread proved Nintendo is still the best at making games so this is okay with me.
Is it easy to sell outdated tech at a markup?Easy to make a profit when you sell outdated tech at a mark up
Switch software sales are just freakish.
It's like they have a dozen GTA's at once.
Easy to make a profit when you sell outdated tech at a mark up
Nah just factual, I own 2 Switch’s. It‘s ok to talk truth about companies you like, you don’t have to lick there ass all the time…You mad?
You sound mad!
Nah just factual, I own 2 Switch’s. It‘s ok to talk truth about companies you like, you don’t have to lick there ass all the time…
There games are cheaper to make and games like Mario Kart have sold like close to 20million compared to the Wii U version, its bound to be pure profit.
You telling me Animal Crossing cost the same as Halo Infinite to make? Or Porting Mario from the Wii U cost the same as God of War? Or big sellers like Pokemon with used assets from a 3DS game.
And apart from Mario Odessey and Luigi’s Mansion there games look worse than alot of indies
I find that whole console fucking baffling.
$60 for glorified indie games like Metroid Dread and Yoshi's Crafted World.
Tens of millions of units of a fucking Animal Crossing game.
Tens of millions of units of a fucking port of a Mario Kart game.
No price reductions EVER.
A portable console flourishing in the time of ubiquitous smart phones.
I don't get it. Do they just move loads of software cos there's fuck all other games on there?