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zoukka

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I must say I too am not happy with the engagement range and damn near instant targeting ability of the turret. But I'm cranky after coming from a decade of TF2, and I suppose Tracer would counter it too hard if it had any real delay to targeting. I'd probably leave it as is.

The turret needs to be this fast to be viable even in noob games. Against coordinated teams the turret doesn't live long.

I imagine it's a lot more viable in console versions.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
I must say I too am not happy with the engagement range and damn near instant targeting ability of the turret. But I'm cranky after coming from a decade of TF2, and I suppose Tracer would counter it too hard if it had any real delay to targeting. I'd probably leave it as is.
But coming from TF2 I expect the turret to deal 3-4x the damage so it's pretty fine :D

Junkrat is the safe solution if you cant get angles on Pharah (coming from career demo/soldier)
 

Auctopus

Member
The turret needs to be this fast to be viable even in noob games. Against coordinated teams the turret doesn't live long.

I imagine it's a lot more viable in console versions.

Yeah, this. I like playing as Torbjorn and it's true that I rack up kills sometimes but when someone knows how to play against my turrets then I'm far less effective.
 
Eliminations are not really "kills" but contributions to kills, so any damage made to the target. Maybe the gravity well counts even if no additional damage is dealt by Zarya? Would be neat.

I guess that's why i didnt get the PotG for it and it was junkrat shooting gernades into the well that did:p
 

Kysen

Member
Easy to take down with snipers. I think the distance they see enemies is too far and they also instantly shoot as soon as you even walk a pixel outta cover. It makes them too powerful.

Yup you can forget about getting the jump on anyone with one of those turrets present.
 

Kurumi

Member
Got enough credits for another legendary skin and I can't decide between Sigrun or Valkyrie for Mercy. I blame Blizzard.
 

nbraun80

Member
6 torb is impossible to deal with if the randoms won't cooperate, people we suggestioning 6 phara, junkrat, winston, but here's this torb on our team that insists on playing him attack. Ask him wtf he's doing he says he had a gold medal currently for eliminations so he's don't good, too bad take doesn't help us cap the first damn point.
 

Nyx

Member
Yup you can forget about getting the jump on anyone with one of those turrets present.

You should play a custom game against AI, it's not only the turrets then that instantly spot and shoot you. ;)

Wanted to train my Widowmaker this way but with those instant spots it's no use really haha.
 

Zaventem

Member
Got enough credits for another legendary skin and I can't decide between Sigrun or Valkyrie for Mercy. I blame Blizzard.

Yeah they're both good. I got Valkyrie yesterday from a box. Also i find it so strange the amount of dupes you get with the amount of commons the game has. Like literally 3 dupe and 4 dupe boxes.
 

kami_sama

Member
6 torb is impossible to deal with if the randoms won't cooperate, people we suggestioning 6 phara, junkrat, winston, but here's this torb on our team that insists on playing him attack. Ask him wtf he's doing he says he had a gold medal currently for eliminations so he's don't good, too bad take doesn't help us cap the first damn point.

Hate wen people play the game as if it were team deathmatch.
 
Tonight in Brawl, on Hanamura defense, me and my teammates all picked Reinhardt. All but one of us ended up getting Reinhardt. The sixth ended up a genji. Go figure. All of our enemies were 76's for the first wave. I think the RNG may occassionally break.
 
Wow, so I'm right at the end of a brawl last night, during a 2-3 hour marathon session that was supposed to be "just a few rounds before going to sleep." Somehow I had managed to help push the payload nearly to the finish, when all of a sudden my screen goes completely black. After trying desperately to ctrl-alt-del, I finally give up and try to restart completely... still no screen. Open up my case and my 780 video card has an odd smell coming from it.

Yep. I've been playing Overwatch so much that it killed my video card. :(

Luckily I had an old Radeon sitting around so I can still use my PC, but this sucks. Might be a bit off-topic, but as someone who doesn't follow PC hardware all that closely, any suggestions for what would be a good replacement currently on the market? Probably want to go higher-end, but not the ridiculously expensive top-of-the-line. I think I heard on the Beastcast that some new video cards are on their way... should I wait it out to see if prices drop?
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Wow, so I'm right at the end of a brawl last night, during a 2-3 hour marathon session that was supposed to be "just a few rounds before going to sleep." Somehow I had managed to help push the payload nearly to the finish, when all of a sudden my screen goes completely black. After trying desperately to ctrl-alt-del, I finally give up and try to restart completely... still no screen. Open up my case and my 780 video card has an odd smell coming from it.

Yep. I've been playing Overwatch so much that it killed my video card. :(

Luckily I had an old Radeon sitting around so I can still use my PC, but this sucks. Might be a bit off-topic, but as someone who doesn't follow PC hardware all that closely, any suggestions for what would be a good replacement currently on the market? Probably want to go higher-end, but not the ridiculously expensive top-of-the-line. I think I heard on the Beastcast that some new video cards are on their way... should I wait it out to see if prices drop?

Wait for the 1070, yeah.
 

rdytoroll

Member
Quoted from reddit:

Widowmaker is stronger than the AWP. The AWP is an incredibly powerful gun in CSGO, unlike in Overwatch, it's actually balanced rather well. The biggest downside to the AWP is that it's an incredible investment that has to be made. Look at a team like Envyus, if they're doing poorly they will occasionally throw KennyS an awp even at the expense of one of their riflers having a rifle, and forcing them on an armor pistol round.
And if Kenny doesn't make that investment worth it, they lose the round, and not only do they not have the awp, they just have an incredibly expensive weapon over to the enemy team. That's a 10000 dollar gold swing, or to put it in perspective, that's four rounds of money for a single person.
So why is Widowmaker stronger than the AWP? Because there is no investment, you don't have to play for a certain amount of time before you can get a widowmaker. You don't have to gimp a player in rounds where you can't afford a widowmaker. And above all else, when you take a widowmaker out, you don't gain a widowmaker on your team instantly. You just have 15-20 seconds of downtime where your entire team isn't fearful of a singular hero that for some reason can do the highest amount of damage in the game, give wallhacks for the entire team, and if ran at (like one of the most common strategies against an awper is to overpower them to take them out quickly) can switch to a fucking rifle that does decent amounts of damage.

Well, doesn't he speak the truth. I'm not even sure why we even need a Widowmaker in this game, playing against a sniper is simply not fun and it's even more frustrating if you have to pick her every game because the enemy team picked her. She really has it all, she can snipe your whole backline with a few shots if shes good, she has a escape mechanism, she can lay a trap so she knows when someones near her, she can just switch to a fucking SMG (lmao, who thought of that?) and she has a goddamn wallhack, which you can't even hear half of the time that it's active. Bringing this character into the game was a big mistake imo. Short of removing her (which they will never do ofc), you can only nerf her into the ground, but even then she will still be effective because of her whole kit. Every game with a Widowmaker revolves around her, it really becomes tiring on certain maps


Trying to decide between a widow skin

Don't do it
 

X-Frame

Member
So if I end up playing Ranked primarily solo, should the matchmaking try and put me in games with other solo players? Or at least add me to even 2 or 3 person groups that are on both sides.

Otherwise there really isn't any way for me to tell if there are any pre-made groups in a game, right? So I wouldn't know anyway.
 

Nioret

Member
I personally don't see even a good widowmaker as a huge threat. The maps in this game as designed well and give you an opportunity to cover almost anytime. She also has many counters, such as tracer , that can negate her for the whole game .
 

Fliesen

Member
Quoted from reddit:



Well, doesn't he speak the truth. I'm not even sure why we even need a Widowmaker in this game, playing against a sniper is simply not fun and it's even more frustrating if you have to pick her every game because the enemy team picked her. She really has it all, she can snipe your whole backline with a few shots if shes good, she has a escape mechanism, she can lay a trap so she knows when someones near her, she can just switch to a fucking SMG (lmao, who thought of that?) and she has a goddamn wallhack, which you can't even hear half of the time that it's active. Bringing this character into the game was a big mistake imo. Short of removing her (which they will never do ofc), you can only nerf her into the ground, but even then she will still be effective because of her whole kit. Every game with a Widowmaker revolves around her, it really becomes tiring on certain maps

Don't do it
gosh, i wonder... ;)
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Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
I personally don't see even a good widowmaker as a huge threat. The maps in this game as designed well and give you an opportunity to cover almost anytime. She also has many counters, such as tracer , that can negate her for the whole game .
You haven't played good enough widow's. If you expose yourself 3 feet around a corner you die. Period. Tracer is not a counter when you have wallhack up, or they are listening for the flank and can snap shot.

I'm running into them and want to die and the entire game does revolve around committing 2-3 heroes and pressure and calling out positions on voicecomms, but they still get 2 kills in the 2 seconds you call positions and see what to do.

God forbid they actually have a decent team with them. Wallhacks being up 80% of the time one of the biggest issues. 150 body shot for how fast it charges is far far too much when you can double tap half the classes in 0.5s
 

TheStars

Banned
Wow, so I'm right at the end of a brawl last night, during a 2-3 hour marathon session that was supposed to be "just a few rounds before going to sleep." Somehow I had managed to help push the payload nearly to the finish, when all of a sudden my screen goes completely black. After trying desperately to ctrl-alt-del, I finally give up and try to restart completely... still no screen. Open up my case and my 780 video card has an odd smell coming from it.

Yep. I've been playing Overwatch so much that it killed my video card. :(

Luckily I had an old Radeon sitting around so I can still use my PC, but this sucks. Might be a bit off-topic, but as someone who doesn't follow PC hardware all that closely, any suggestions for what would be a good replacement currently on the market? Probably want to go higher-end, but not the ridiculously expensive top-of-the-line. I think I heard on the Beastcast that some new video cards are on their way... should I wait it out to see if prices drop?

Get the new Radeon when it comes out at the end of the month. It's not on the same tier as the 10 series from nvidia but it's less this half the price and nets you decent performance
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
GTX 1070 non founders edition. If you want to spend $200 get the AMD 480
Never played that, but I heard that the Sniper is just as frustrating to play against as Widowmaker. So, not sure why they repeat the same mistake (probably not in their eyes)
It's not even fucking close. Widow is 20x worse than TF2 sniper.

Too much ammo without reloading
Can unscope for vision at same charge rate
Low charge time
Fire rate too high (hence double tapping for 200)
FUCKING WALL HACKS
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Though really, easiest way to nerf widow is to give one of the harassment tanks (winston or D.Va) a guaranteed way to get through without being critically sniped the whole way through.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
It's okay when you graduate from Bastions and Tolberone turrets never being an issue and run into 40 elimination tracers and 80% uptime on wallhack widowmakers that completely shutdown a team you can change what you think is OP.
 

Blackthorn

"hello?" "this is vagina"
Though really, easiest way to nerf widow is to give one of the harassment tanks (winston or D.Va) a guaranteed way to get through without being critically sniped the whole way through.
Or play as Genji and constantly flank and troll them with his double jump and deflect until they change hero :D
 
Never played that, but I heard that the Sniper is just as frustrating to play against as Widowmaker. So, not sure why they repeat the same mistake (probably not in their eyes)

The power gap between the two characters is the size of an ocean. The sniper in tf2 unscopes between every shot to load the next shot in the chamber. It also takes much longer to get a full charge. And the not inconsequential dot that shows everyone where he is aiming.

I never really got into tf2... I've always despised the game for a couple reasons. But widowmaker is a beast comparatively. And different games and all... still think that widows are too good here.

There is apparently nothing new from yesterday but I'll link this again.

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745185102#post-2

Widowmaker is on our radar. We are discussing her. We have some internal experiments going to see if we can keep her viable while lowering the frustration threshold a little bit. Right now, this is just exploration. If something more comes of it, we'll let you know.
 

rdytoroll

Member
Eh, I don't really care about all the McCrees, Bastions, Turrets or whatever in this world. They're fine as they are. But Widow is just ridiculous imo
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Or play as Genji and constantly flank and troll them with his double jump and deflect until they change hero :D

Problem is that if the team is good they have a mccree nearby to stop harassers.

Which even with the nerf is meant to destroy flankers.

Now if you have a skirmishing tank and a flanker working together...
 

Klyka

Banned
thats sarcasm right

Yeah.

I don't think she is broken,I think her toolset is too strong and especially in the hands of a good sniper, she dominates entire matches and as someone said earlier,the entire game becomes around "shut down the widowmaker".

People seem to think you can just "counter" her,but that's usually wrong, she can easily kill her "counters" and her grapple hook allows her to get away from them as well and just snipe them while in midair.
 

T-Rex.

Banned
When the control point match goes into overtime at like 98%, you use your ult (Mei) to freeze 3 enemies defending it and not a single person on your team rushes in with you to take control, nice. At that point, why stay back? Smh
 

Dance Inferno

Unconfirmed Member
Wow, so I'm right at the end of a brawl last night, during a 2-3 hour marathon session that was supposed to be "just a few rounds before going to sleep." Somehow I had managed to help push the payload nearly to the finish, when all of a sudden my screen goes completely black. After trying desperately to ctrl-alt-del, I finally give up and try to restart completely... still no screen. Open up my case and my 780 video card has an odd smell coming from it.

Yep. I've been playing Overwatch so much that it killed my video card. :(

Luckily I had an old Radeon sitting around so I can still use my PC, but this sucks. Might be a bit off-topic, but as someone who doesn't follow PC hardware all that closely, any suggestions for what would be a good replacement currently on the market? Probably want to go higher-end, but not the ridiculously expensive top-of-the-line. I think I heard on the Beastcast that some new video cards are on their way... should I wait it out to see if prices drop?

Maybe wait for the RX 480.
 

Blackthorn

"hello?" "this is vagina"
Problem is that if the team is good they have a mccree nearby to stop harassers.

Which even with the nerf is meant to destroy flankers.

Now if you have a skirmishing tank and a flanker working together...
McCrees and Widowmakers tend to be quite far apart, so I don't find that too much of an issue, though I'm rarely playing against coordinated teams so that helps. My favourite thing lately has just been harassing people as Genji, I'm laughing the whole time. I'm not rolling in eliminations, but everyone who's hopelessly chasing me around isn't paying attention to the objective.
 
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