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I don't agree with this attitude, either. This isn't conducive to solving the problem because not all cops are like this. I'm not trying to detract from the systematic issue that exists with the police system in this country, but I'm not going to demonize EVERY SINGLE ONE of them either.

How do you tell the difference between a good cop and a bad one before it's too late?

I don't think anyone needs to have it laid out in a condescending manner that not all cops are bad —institution of police is what's bad. It doesn't matter if it works okay most of the time when people die because of its shortcomings. If someone says they hate cops, the sentiment is obviously that they hate the institution itself, something that is very reasonable in regard to U.S. police.
 
Someone needs to break through the status quo. Why hasn't there been widespread police reform yet? Oh right, police are careful only to inexplicably murder black people. If they were murdering white people at a similar frequency like this certainly enough white people would give a damn and demand reform.
 
I know. Media is a big fucking issue. They're pathetic in calling this a systematic issue of racism and police brutality.

Which is also reflective IMO of a symptom of classism in this country. Classism that people are not addressing directly. I'm sick of the narrative as a minority that it isn't that. Look, I'm a latino and honestly as a poor latino you grow up thinking you have to serve white people everywhere.


We are just born to cut your lawn and do your chores. I think the same holds true on the other end. There's an assumption people of color are a lower caste of our society and police are rougher towards us because we are up to something. You grow up seeing mostly white cops in power over you and serving white people. It absolutely destroys you. But it's racism that's a symptom of class structure. People of color need power and articulate arguments and pressure that don't last a mere month after a shooting. But the vast majority of us are uneducated and don't have power so how do we change things in that world?
 

TheOfficeMut

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How do you tell the difference between a good cop and a bad one before it's too late?

I don't think anyone needs to have it laid out in a condescending manner that not all cops are bad —institution of police is what's bad. It doesn't matter if it works okay most of the time when people die because of its shortcomings. If someone says they hate cops, the sentiment is obviously that they hate the institution itself, something that is very reasonable in regard to U.S. police.

And that's fine. I never said the institution of police is acceptable. I acknowledge that it is fundamentally, deeply flawed and filled with a lot of rotten individuals. The person I quoted did not say the institution, he flat out said "fuck every single cop." I'm sure that's not up for misinterpretation.

But regardless, I don't want to focus on the angle of #notallcops, because as I said, I agree that the police institution is a fucking mess and needs major reform. I am not going to diminish this person's death by arguing over this any further.

Pertaining to the video: I watched it and it's horrible. The look on his face as he's bleeding out is heart wrenching and makes me want to puke. Reading the transcript also didn't help. Ugh.
 

DOWN

Banned
I was avoiding watching this but it's everywhere today and now I come to find out that he died for no reason. Horrible.
 

xkramz

Member
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

494 whites shot dead by the police in 2015, making them number 1. Do you want more? Do you want a fair ratio?

The ratio for blacks is horrible and we can expect a racist motivation but this IF HE WAS BLACK HE'D BE DEAD mentality is wrong imo. It insults the other victims.


WhitE 196,817,552 63.7%
Black or African America 37,685,848 12.2%

With thst kind of ratio. No shit the whites killed by cops would be higher.
 
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.
 
WhitE 196,817,552 63.7%
Black or African America 37,685,848 12.2%

With thst kind of ratio. No shit the whites killed by cops would be higher.

That poster was just illustrating that it's not statistically justifiable to assume a cop related shooting was perpetrated against a black person before a white person.
 
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.

Old people gonna old.
 
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.

You're not wrong. You're mom is wrong.
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
This maybe is the saddest thing. You can protest all you want but there are still people who will only recognize things if it's in history books. Only in history books racism was real, in modern times everything will be excused.

It's like for some people recognizing racism would be their kryptonite, they seem that reluctant to acknowledge the problem. I'll never understand that. Maybe they are just insecure about their identity and handle their insecurity with what ends up being a psychopathic denial of reality.

I think a lot of the vehement denial in accepting racism and institutional racism is that it will force the beneficiaries of systemic racism to acknowledge that perhaps the great things they've achieved weren't solely because of their own talent and merit. A lot of people work really hard to get where they're at, and the idea that even just a smidgen of that success can be attributed to white privilege and institutional racism rankles their feathers. It's a shattering of their world view. A world view in which we're all told that all we have to do is work hard, keep your head straight, and you'll achieve your dreams. The little caveat is that being a white male in America will give you a few extra stat points and XP to get a leg up. Being a minority generally has you enter the game with negative stat points and zero XP.

That idea is upsetting to those people. It's easier to just deny that they have had a leg up by virtue of being born white, because accepting the truth of that makes them feel dirty. I can understand it. Nobody wants to be told that what they've worked really hard for has a taint on it. There are self made people from every walk of life, for sure, but it's undeniable that being born a white person in America grants you a few extra concessions. I mean, look at the story earlier this week, where that young white guy was talking some mad fucking shit to police, and being overall belligerent, and what did he get for it? A smug mug shot and some time in jail. This black man, who was pulled over for a busted tail light, told the officer that he had a permit to carry a firearm, was armed, and was just reaching for his identification like the officer ordered, and what did it get him? Four bullets and a trip six feet under. I can't fabricate a clearer instance of white privilege than what has happened in reality just this week.

You had people in that thread praising the guy as a hero for sticking it to the man, but there are already people digging in the dirt to victim blame this young black man and father. It's sickening, and depressing, and, as a black man, frustrating.

Black people aren't asking that white people get brutalized by police in order for things to be equal. Black people are asking that police officers stop brutalizing them and treat them like human beings. Suspects, sure, but human beings none-the-less. This isn't some eye for an eye call to action. It's a call to empathy. I know criminals are criminals, but they are still due some level of human rights when being apprehended and brought in. A routine traffic stop shouldn't end in their deaths, whether saint or sinner.
 

Oscar

Member
I feel like they need more educated cops, and a better psych assessment.

I worked for my city's Sheriff's department, and I met some truly deranged deputies that have absolutely no business wielding that power. I'm talking about grown ass men with the mentality of an angsty 15yr old.

Some departments like Arlington require Bachelor's degrees. Sure it's become the new HS Diploma, but it's a step forward. My department just requires 30 credit hours OR serving two years as a detention service officer (anyone 21+ with a cleanish record and HS diploma can become one).
 
Something seriously wrong with police training in the US. By all accounts that was a normal traffic stop yet it ends up with an adrenaline pumped cop shooting someone dead.
 

Squalor

Junior Member
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.
Victim of Stockholm syndrome.

Oppression and discrimination have beaten her into submission. It's kind of like self-hate. She blames blacks because to her The System must be right since it, The System, has gone unabashed, unabated, unchecked, undaunted, and unfettered for so long.

If The System isn't wrong, the people must be.

So, yes, your mother is wrong in a vacuum, but she's a victim herself.
 

Ovid

Member
I was avoiding watching this but it's everywhere today and now I come to find out that he died for no reason. Horrible.
I haven't watched the Sterling killing or this one.

I'm tired.

I literally refuse to visit GAF before going to bed now because I'm afraid there might be another police shooting involving a black man.

The first site I visit in the morning is usually GAF, but today I went to the NYTimes. Lo and behold...it happened again.

Shit ruins my day.
 
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.

You're not wrong.
 
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.

Why did we he have a gun?
Apparently in this country it's either "none of your business" or "to fight government tyranny".
 

Leatherface

Member
Something seriously wrong with police training in the US. By all accounts that was a normal traffic stop yet it ends up with an adrenaline pumped cop shooting someone dead.


Tell me about it. I am seriously perplexed at WTF is going on in this country. Where is the disconnect? Is it simply racism? Is it fear/anxiety? Both? It seems like these cops are operating on a hair trigger. This is NOT how they are trained. Something needs to give here. :\
 

Malleymal

You now belong to FMT.
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.
 

Formless

Member
Tell me about it. I am seriously perplexed at WTF is going on in this country. Where is the disconnect? Is it simply racism? Is it fear/anxiety? Both? It seems like these cops are operating on a hair trigger. This is NOT how they are trained. Something needs to give here. :\

It's a number of factors.
- Subtle or not so subtle racism
- Cops usually patrolling areas they aren't a part of, so they give less of a shit
- Cops encouraged to fear vs empathize
- High crime rates in mostly poor areas feed those fears nationwide
- Lack of continual comprehensive training. People with guns who aren't necessarily responsible.
- Police being somewhat untouchable in society at large and amongst each other

There's no one thing.
 
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.

Being armed puts you at far greater risk of being the victim of violent crime (something like 6 times as likely). I know it's a hard urge to fight, but you are safer unarmed.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.
As we can see, arming yourself in lawful defense will ALSO get you killed, if you're black.

Is anyone running an open tally on what it's safe for black people to do?

So far we can't, eat skittles, go swimming, go to the gas station, play in the park, breathe, or lawly defend ourselves. (I know I'm unfortunately missing a majority of the other high profile cases)
 

Ninjimbo

Member
Usually, when I watch one of these videos I try to keep emotions out of it because rarely does it ever lead to clear, focused thoughts. But that was hard to do in this case. I couldn't do anything but feel for the victims and animosity towards the idiot holding the gun.

I'm not going to say fuck the police or anything like that because it's not what I believe. I've talked to too many good people doing good work to paint them all with such a broad a brush. However, I can criticize a system that has given people with such ineptitude weapons. In no way should a routine traffic stop lead to murder. That's not what the guns are meant for and that's certainly not what they're there for.

Just like I've met a bunch of good people, I've also met a bunch of bad people -- the type of people that I would never trust a gun with. There is a serious problem with some of the people we choose to give this power to and that's something that needs to change because innocent people get caught in this web every day and it's costing lives and, more than that, it's costing a society and a generation of young people. This is fuel being added to a wildfire next to a truckload of TNTs.

If we're not going to ban guns, for the love of god, don't give stupid people guns. It's the least we could do.
 

RDreamer

Member
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

We live in one fucking weird ass society here let me tell ya. We fight for everyone's right to have a gun and then allow the police to murder any (black) person with one? How the fuck does that make sense?
 

Onemic

Member
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.

This guy had a CC though and look at what happened.
 

Pizoxuat

Junior Member
Gaf... Am I wrong?

I showed the video to my mother, and the first thing she did was blame the victim. Her response was, "Well, that's unfortunate, but why did he have a gun? Why did he have the gun next to his wallet? Why did he tell the cop that he had a gun? Why wasn't his wallet already out when the cop approached the car? Maybe he might be alive right now if didn't do any of these things".

I called her out on it, and she said that I haven't been on the Earth long enough to "know how things work". I'm 28 and she's 69.

And I asked her what she might have done if she was in the cops shoes, and she said would have done the same thing. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

I'm fucking livid right now. She's done this before with other police brutality cases. And we're both BLACK. Like fuck, man.

Sorry for the rant.

A very unfortunate but human reaction to long-term fear that something will happen to you because of factors out of your control is to hyper-focus on factors you can control. And that leads to victim blaming.

Women can be the most harsh critics of rape victims because we all fear it can happen to us because we can't control the fact that we are women. But we can control who we talk to and what we dress like, so if you convince yourself that that's what is really important, that you can keep yourself from becoming a victim through acts that you control, your thinking can warp. Suddenly "I won't get raped because I dress modestly," goes from a personal talisman of irrational feelings of safety, to "Of course she got raped, she didn't dress as modestly as I do, that's the only thing that keeps us safe."

Your mom desperately, desperately wants to believe that she can control interactions with the cops so that this will never happen to her. And that fear and hope have mingled and twisted into something toxic. It is human, and it is sad, and it is worth calling out even through she doesn't want to hear.
 
A very unfortunate but human reaction to long-term fear that something will happen to you because of factors out of your control is to hyper-focus on factors you can control. And that leads to victim blaming.

Women can be the most harsh critics of rape victims because we all fear it can happen to us because we can't control the fact that we are women. But we can control who we talk to and what we dress like, so if you convince yourself that that's what is really important, that you can keep yourself from becoming a victim through acts that you control, your thinking can warp. Suddenly "I won't get raped because I dress modestly," goes from a personal talisman of irrational feelings of safety, to "Of course she got raped, she didn't dress as modestly as I do, that's the only thing that keeps us safe."

Your mom desperately, desperately wants to believe that she can control interactions with the cops so that this will never happen to her. And that fear and hope have mingled and twisted into something toxic. It is human, and it is sad, and it is worth calling out even through she doesn't want to hear.

This is a good post.
 
Everything firearms death related in this country is due to paranoia. They make us paranoid to sell more guns they make people who dont live in bad neighborhoods think those neighborhoods are warzones. The more guns on the street the more cops assume people are armed and since they are not held accountable for their mistakes shoot first and ask questions later has become acceptable. This country has a sickness and it starts with gun companies and their pervasive control of the media and the lawmakers.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.

If that's what you learned from these particular circumstances I don't know what to tell you.
 
Why aren't body cams required law for every police officer everywhere. I don't understand any arguments against it. It protects the good police and helps keep bad police in check. It protects the accused. It's the one thing you probably want video evidence of all the time: ensuring the apprehension of a suspect is legal

Honest to goodness, the arguments against body cams are that they are a) too expensive to implement (as if we should put a price tag on avoiding corruption) or b) that objective streaming video somehow takes things out of context.

In areas where they've been deployed, we've seen a decrease in abuse incidents and false reports, so it seems like it's win/win...unless you're the type who thinks abuse incidents are a necessary part of police action.

As an additional idea, why not gun cams? Install fiber-optic cameras into every service weapon. So we can see exactly what the officer sees as he's pulling the trigger.
 
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.
I'd strongly recommend not doing this.
 
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.

Buying a gun to protect himself contributed to this person being murdered by a policeman sooo...

You're really not safer by bringing a weapon into your life.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Honestly looking into purchasing a gun. I've thought about it before but I think it is time now. I am no longer going to accept peaceful protests and some cool t shirts . I will learn to protect myself and not be the latest victim.

Sad thing is that allowing legal ownership of guns in civilian hands is likely one of the root underlying causes of all these tragedies.

Cops get trained to act like everyone is armed because often people are. When you deal with armed suspects everything changes. Fear and self-preservation become the dominant things on people's mind. That's what makes these cops come out with the finger on the trigger no matter the situation. They almost have to unless they want to become victims themselves (in their mind).

It's sad, but it's not changing anytime soon. Free access to guns is what's causing this nation-wide fear of everyone around them.
 

Sulik2

Member
At this point I don't care if you are white or black, everyone should be afraid of interactions with police in the USA. There are no good cops anymore. There are cops who murder and the cops who cover for them. The entire system is broken and its especially bad for African Americans.
 

Breads

Banned
WhitE 196,817,552 63.7%
Black or African America 37,685,848 12.2%

With thst kind of ratio. No shit the whites killed by cops would be higher.

I'm furious right now at the situation (3 deaths in just a few days apart) but this is the first time I actually looked into statistics (because fuck statistics).

Let me get this straight though.

1 white person died to a cop per every 398,416 white person in 2015
1 black person died to a cop per every 146,069 black person in 2015

To be on equal terms more than twice as many white people would have had to be shot dead by police.

If four times as many white people were shot dead the ratio between black/ white would be reversed, where white people would be shot dead at the same rate as black people currently are in comparison.

Is this right?
 

pigeon

Banned
Sad thing is that allowing legal ownership of guns in civilian hands is likely one of the root underlying causes of all these tragedies.

Cops get trained to act like everyone is armed because often people are. When you deal with armed suspects everything changes. Fear and self-preservation become the dominant things on people's mind. That's what makes these cops come out with the finger on the trigger no matter the situation. They almost have to unless they want to become victims themselves (in their mind).

It's sad, but it's not changing anytime soon. Free access to guns is what's causing this nation-wide fear of everyone around them.

They're not afraid of everyone. They're afraid of black men.
 
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