Big Green Anus
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What will be the pricpoint for the games? Will games be $39.99 like the handheld Nintendo games in the past or $59.99?
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Sammy Samusu
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Left controller: nunchuk.
Right controller: wiimote.
So, 1 SKU.
I can only see them doing 2+ SKUs if the complete package gets too expensive.
Right controller: wiimote.
It's OK if you think hybrid is stupid, but that's Nintendo's vision for the NX.
So, 1 SKU.
I can only see them doing 2+ SKUs if the complete package gets too expensive.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Can I get some balloons and say I called it?
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Aldric
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l'm not sure l get your point. lf l look at the 3ds library l specifically see a drastic drop of popularity of these "Touch generation" games from the DS era like Brain Training or Nintendogs and the continuous success of robust, console-like experiences like 3d Land, Dark Moon, OoT 3d, Smash etc.
Do you realize that people on mobile are accustomed to games being free to play or 0.99$ at the most?
The eShop is a really poor comparison. Ask any fan of mobile games on how much they are willing to spend on games up front. It's not a lot. Games make money through optional IAP and sell for free or less than a dollar.
The Real Napsta
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So we finally get Pokemon on home console? Sweet.
Jonneh3003
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Not the same thing though. Not really. I'm not saying that orioto is right, but I can see the concept.
You don't need everyone to go to a shop and have 4 people buy an App. You have local MP out of the box. Maybe a stand with the screen that would also be missing from a cellphone in most cases.
And most of all, you can be sure, that if this is Nintendo's concept, they will support it with software! 4 player MP was a thing with the NES too, but it wasn't widely supported because you needed an extra adapter etc. Look how that turned out later.
The point is that you focus on ARM when they key here is Tegra. That's where the efficiency key is. An efficiency that is missing on the phones because phones are not dedicated gaming devices, so they don't need efficient gaming chips. Also high resolution screens.
Yes but Nintendo's franchises did shit for Wii U. They have some great games in it but it has sold worst than any home console of theirs ever. Nintendo's games can't make a success. They need third parties; the question being what type? It seems Nintendo is choosing casual this time with a HH focus and who knows how that will go seeing as HH gaming isn't as strong and phones are the thing now.
Jonneh3003
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Yeah thats the important thing, nothing in this thread should be treated as the actual NX product.
Keep your expectations in check, though.
Starchasing
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There are no games like this because the devices themselves are not prone to do that.
People on neogaf understimate that most people play games socially.
AtomicShroom
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Hardware doesn't sell hardware. Compelling software sells hardware. And the Vita didn't have any of those.
SpiceMelange
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What? Since the vita cellphones technology went into huge strides. Nvidia shield last around 3 hours gaming.
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Deleted member 752119
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They're making mobile games for those people.
This is for the Wii U/3DS base and hopefully to bring back some lapsed Nintendo fans (not those who only played Wii sports, brain age etc., people who used to play their core franchises) and up attach rates by having all their games in one place.
Agree.
That's why the hybrid thing is not the most important part.
In the end, they could release a wii u table which allows you to play outside.
But they have choosing to bring a whole new product to the market.
With all those patents over the years, there is going to be something specials with the nx.
Because the hybrid thing is not something that attracts the usual person (casuals) to it.
Something that like they said : delivers a brand new experience. Developers needs to do something unique with it as they said.
Starchasing
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I'll repost my own theory cause it seems to convince many
While i was thinking about that thing that bugs me, about the two detachable controllers and what would be the concept around that, i had some kind of revelation.
Cause i was lwatching the digital foundry vid and the guy talked about the two pads as if it was so huge to have two pads out of the box, and i was like.. Are you fucking kidding me.. Are we all pretending there is anything new about giving away a secondary pad ? I mean it's just a good deal, but local multiplayer was there all along..
Then i got it.
Maybe the NX is reallly centered about the idea of a completely easy to transport, (on the "go" you know), self sufficient device that allows for super fun things between friends, in a living room, in the street, in a park, at a friend's house... Maybe that's the whole marketing idea here. It's like the Wii was at some point, a family friendly device for immediate fun, except it's super flexible, everyone can have his own and play all sort of things, (and that means also why not, AR multiplayer board games for exemple). Like.. The NX would be, more like a set of card than a console in the spirit.
So you could play with a friend everywhere by docking the screen somewhere (maybe it has some kind of ipad skin that can become a support you know, that couldl actually make it pretty fashionable), but why not imagining you could also for example plug one to a tv, and having a friend come with his NX, and you would be able to play a 4 player game on tv, maybe more. And why not use it for their infamous asynchronous (is that it) gameplay, with some players on the tv and some others on their NW screen.
Think about it. We know Nintendo always try again and again. What they failed on GBA, then DS, then with the WiiU. All those multiplayer concepts with different configurations... They can finally have it, with the proper marketing.
Just one device, really small, simple, and it can be used for so many things to have fun with your friends. And those two detachable pads probably have gyros to, so that little NX device can also create Wii fun for everyone on the go. What if a NX can recognize multiple controllers, so you can for exemple be in a park with your friends, and everyone detaches the controllers and put the NX on the ground, and everyone is playing Just Dance in the wild..
basically, sorry i'm long.. But yeah the NX would be centered around the idea that it's super small, simple, cheap, and can be used for so many gaming ideas between friends (everything Ubi has been asking for) everywhere.
That's learning everything from the Wii, but also from Monster Hunter and the whole community aspect of the biggest gaming success in Japan. You make people play in group.
I can already see the 80's commercial. I can also see a Wii like sucess if they have the right software with it (some genius multiplayer party game on the go).
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And just to post a little exemple of the kind of thing that will make it huge and super mainstream.
Imagine you got kids, 2 kids, and you're in a dense traffic stuck in the car, it's raining. They're bored. They can take their NX, unplugged the controllers, put the screen between them on the seat, and play some game, i don't know, some tennis game on the screen with their two controllers.
Do you see the 80' commercial to ? With the 2 kids playing at the back of the car (they kept their belt of course!)?
I hope you read that in Don Draper's voice!
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While i'm at it, here are other potential (but maybe not) ideas of gameplay for that concept.
Keep one pad attached to the screen, that you hold in one hand, and have the other one free in your other hand, that you can use as a gun, or a sword i don't know, or to point things. Than now create a multiplayer game using AR where you're interacting with friends in the wild.
Now, do that with Pokemon. (Like you gives order with the free pad and motion control while you're looking at the AR pokemons interacting on screen).
Link that to Pokemon GO.
BOOM, NX sells 50 millions
I really think that configuration, of a small portable device with two pads and gyros, could be the thing Nintendo always wanted. Some sort of infinity creative device that reinvent itself all the time.
Just think about it, one pad plugged, and the other free, with motion control, and think about the game design ideas.
I totally agree with you and i would add that phobes could be used as controllers using the nintendo app
I have been thinking about this possible system since the rumours leaked yesterday and I believe I have finally come to a decision. I am on board with this. The biggest reason is that I think my 3DS is getting long in the tooth. I have been ready for a 3DS replacement for maybe 2 years and now I might get it. I do not have any idea if this will "save" Nintendo, but I am defiantly ready for a new Nintendo handheld.
boneyjangles
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So in an era when the big-tv consoles can optionally stream to your laptop/tablet/mobile, this is almost the opposite approach. Sticking to Nintendo's strengths, mobile. Probably the correct move, as directly competing with Xbox / Playstation will be fraught with pain in light of Scorpio / Neo.
This could be everything I want in a new Nintendo console, may be my first purchase since the N64. But there is a lot to get wrong. Nintendo, can you for once please get it mostly right and not have at least one glaring compromise? (and i don't mean power).
1) That touchscreen needs to be capacitive in 2016.
2) The cartridges bit worries me - I know it's not properly announced, but I want all my games on the device, i don't want to switch cartridges ever! I know - PS4 and Xbone still have us swapping discs, but a mobile device? I really hope the retail scenario for this is 'e-store codes in a box' you download to your 'cartridge'. Swapping out cartridge games are not going to be tolerated by the people who are growing up gaming on mobiles/tablets.
3) E-Store - I haven't played Mario 64, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, and a bunch of others from the Wii era. I would love to pick them up on a nice handheld. If they are remastered, fine, if not (bar adapted controls) they should be well priced and anyone who already bought anything in digital form on Wii/3DS should have it carry over. Sony and Microsoft seem to be doing this now, Eg the likes of Flower or Journey I can see still working on the PS8!
4) Online - please do it well this time, it took Sony a while, i hope this is your catch-up console.
5) Indy - I hope they encourage/enable great indy support - there are hundreds of great mobile and console/pc tiltes and developers out there to tap, Android/ios only really cater for screen-control games. Indy games with actual proper controller controls generally don't exist on mobile, (VITA tried though) Gap in the market.
6) Controls...
I love the gimmick of the break-out controllers, neat idea for simple party type games. Brings up about a million thoughts though...
For a start I'm glad there is no backwards compatibility, purely just in terms clearing out the deadwood in terms of controllers and control types. This is their chance to pair this all down into a clean defacto control standard that's pretty analogous to PS4/Xbox (or simpler). I shouldn't be moving across to Nintendo and getting -more- confused by control schemes. Playing occasionally with friends on someones Wii, I can't count the number of times the owner has to explain control related shit to us, All while playing some dopey party game. If I struggle with this, grandpa and other non-traditional audiences will too. Gamecube / Wii / Wii U era is just a bit of a mess in terms of buttons/controls because of overlap, backward compatibility, and experimentation with control types -1 and 2 buttons, + and - buttons, c-sticks all in the mix! Similarly 3DS seems to have been hamstrung by just having that one analogue stick
Wii-U pro-controller seems like a pretty good base, but tick those ZL ZR bumpers on the back, Xbox One pro controller got that right,
What about the breakoff controllers though, will they have even basic L R buttons?
This could be everything I want in a new Nintendo console, may be my first purchase since the N64. But there is a lot to get wrong. Nintendo, can you for once please get it mostly right and not have at least one glaring compromise? (and i don't mean power).
1) That touchscreen needs to be capacitive in 2016.
2) The cartridges bit worries me - I know it's not properly announced, but I want all my games on the device, i don't want to switch cartridges ever! I know - PS4 and Xbone still have us swapping discs, but a mobile device? I really hope the retail scenario for this is 'e-store codes in a box' you download to your 'cartridge'. Swapping out cartridge games are not going to be tolerated by the people who are growing up gaming on mobiles/tablets.
3) E-Store - I haven't played Mario 64, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, and a bunch of others from the Wii era. I would love to pick them up on a nice handheld. If they are remastered, fine, if not (bar adapted controls) they should be well priced and anyone who already bought anything in digital form on Wii/3DS should have it carry over. Sony and Microsoft seem to be doing this now, Eg the likes of Flower or Journey I can see still working on the PS8!
4) Online - please do it well this time, it took Sony a while, i hope this is your catch-up console.
5) Indy - I hope they encourage/enable great indy support - there are hundreds of great mobile and console/pc tiltes and developers out there to tap, Android/ios only really cater for screen-control games. Indy games with actual proper controller controls generally don't exist on mobile, (VITA tried though) Gap in the market.
6) Controls...
I love the gimmick of the break-out controllers, neat idea for simple party type games. Brings up about a million thoughts though...
For a start I'm glad there is no backwards compatibility, purely just in terms clearing out the deadwood in terms of controllers and control types. This is their chance to pair this all down into a clean defacto control standard that's pretty analogous to PS4/Xbox (or simpler). I shouldn't be moving across to Nintendo and getting -more- confused by control schemes. Playing occasionally with friends on someones Wii, I can't count the number of times the owner has to explain control related shit to us, All while playing some dopey party game. If I struggle with this, grandpa and other non-traditional audiences will too. Gamecube / Wii / Wii U era is just a bit of a mess in terms of buttons/controls because of overlap, backward compatibility, and experimentation with control types -1 and 2 buttons, + and - buttons, c-sticks all in the mix! Similarly 3DS seems to have been hamstrung by just having that one analogue stick
Wii-U pro-controller seems like a pretty good base, but tick those ZL ZR bumpers on the back, Xbox One pro controller got that right,
What about the breakoff controllers though, will they have even basic L R buttons?
So this will be the first time that a Nintendo next gen handheld won't be backwards compatible?
Also, the X1 seems capable of decent emulation of Gamecube-Wii, and don't forget the Android overhead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAENIuGH8T8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOADqQSngrE
So maybe Gamecube-Wii VC can happen? On a portable device? I'm so intrigued!
Also, the X1 seems capable of decent emulation of Gamecube-Wii, and don't forget the Android overhead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAENIuGH8T8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOADqQSngrE
So maybe Gamecube-Wii VC can happen? On a portable device? I'm so intrigued!
Hmm, interesting considering that yesterday I was talking with a friend about the Nvidia Shield and the likelihood of Nintendo going that route. I will hold judgement until more concrete info regarding power but I honestly would have preferred a regular console in the traditional sense. I have a hard time believing;
a) I would get the use out of a handheld like device
b) The battery life is going to be near what is required
c) Get the sort of gaming experiences I would be after (I'll believe it when I see it regarding BotW functionality/performance)
d) It will get any sort of 3rd party support outside fringe cases
e) Controller(s) will be nice to use, I was only talking yesterday about my dislike of Nintendo handheld ergonomics vs NES/SNES
The fact that backwards compatibility seems to be out the window and I don't believe Nintendo will allow streaming of games from other services this a bit of a non-starter for me. However, saying all of that, the Shield was reasonably impressive at least from the reviews I had seen. I will wait and see what Nintendo have to say when all the info comes out
a) I would get the use out of a handheld like device
b) The battery life is going to be near what is required
c) Get the sort of gaming experiences I would be after (I'll believe it when I see it regarding BotW functionality/performance)
d) It will get any sort of 3rd party support outside fringe cases
e) Controller(s) will be nice to use, I was only talking yesterday about my dislike of Nintendo handheld ergonomics vs NES/SNES
The fact that backwards compatibility seems to be out the window and I don't believe Nintendo will allow streaming of games from other services this a bit of a non-starter for me. However, saying all of that, the Shield was reasonably impressive at least from the reviews I had seen. I will wait and see what Nintendo have to say when all the info comes out
MatrixMan.EXE
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I guess Wii U has none either?
Milly Osworth
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So september reveal? Going to be a long wait.
So far it sounds pretty bad, but if the controller and OS are good I guess ill still get it.
So far it sounds pretty bad, but if the controller and OS are good I guess ill still get it.
I was always in the "There is no way it is a hybrid" camp so Im eating crow. Im skeptical for the same reason I thought they wouldn't make one. It won't be an ideal handheld or an ideal home console, compromises will have to be made. All first party support concentrated on one device is appealing though.
Im reserving judgement until the reveal, we dont have the full picture yet.
Im reserving judgement until the reveal, we dont have the full picture yet.
The 2nd SKU isn't really worth the investment for Nintendo. It might still happen later, but they will rather invest once for both markets.
Not to mention internal emulators that can be optimized per game. Certainly seems doable.
DeepEnigma
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No he did not clearly state that. I searched and found no such statement. I did however find 'opinion' pieces interpreting what he said as that. But nothing from the horses mouth.
Looking back at said interviews, this conformation er 'rumour', actually coincides perfectly what he said about combining developments platforms so there is no 'mobile' or 'console' separated, and everything is more streamlined.
If you can find me a direct quote with him outright saying NX is not a hybrid, I will gladly stand corrected. However, I was unable to turn up one, other than interpretations or guesses of what 'he meant'.
This is exactly what it sounds like. But hey, what is 'proper' anymore with lines being blurred though 'no more generations', etc., from the other two camps.
So if one is to believe Iwata meant a 'singular device', then that assertion is still technically correct. All about perspective at this point in an newly evolving medium from all 3 makers.
The PSP did this in a revision as well if I recall. I am just wondering Nintendo's take on it, if there is more than just streaming to the TV, (boosted specs, etc..)
yup.
Real_Madrid
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I just hope they make 2 editions. A console and a handheld one.
It's going to be expensive enough, why should I pay for a handheld I'm never going to use.
It's going to be expensive enough, why should I pay for a handheld I'm never going to use.
The Wii U hardware was a failure and no Nintendo game would've fixed that. The games that were there were fantastic but the asking price was too much. If they would've dropped the gamepad midlife and made it a $200 system with a pro controller, we would be looking back on something much more successful. This new system seems to be just that. If the handheld screen needs to be docked, then it looks like the TV games are controlled via a regular controller.
I'm pretty sure there will be downloadable versions of every game just like there are now on 3DS (well, mostly) and WiiU.
If they have the same hardware I don't think it's very complicated, the detachable part doesn't sound easy to make and understand, they can also lower the entry price
It makes 0 sense as the purpose of the system would be to do both.
Having one system for all of the Nintendo games is greater than continue with the handheld/home separation.
It's supposed to make both sides happy as you're free to play (I guess) every games at home and/or anywhere else. Why would it even be a bad thing ?
We'll have to see the details but on the paper it's good for "everyone".
This is a myth. Wii U and Gamecube had decent lineup on the first year (better than PS4's) and look at the sales.
It's basically marketing, market perception, and, to a certain degree, price.
Madrugador
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As someone that loves portable systems, I'm happy with this.
Do it Nintendo.
Do it Nintendo.
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Deleted member 752119
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The fact that it had a docking station and not just an HDMI out or HDMI streaming dongle, along worn the controllers detaching from the screen when used in console mode, cause people to reasonably infer that games will get boosted by the dock to run at higher respolution in console mode.
I think the people were discussing that the screen resolution will probably be to low for that.
Ulysses 31
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I wonder if the "tablet" screen could work as a 2nd screen when it's docked and hooked up to a TV. Inventory management is usually better with a touch screen.
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