It's more the fact that people got stomped on so hard suggesting it.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
- Thread starter Wollan
- Start date
- Status
It's more the fact that people got stomped on so hard suggesting it.
Let's have a lineup that looks like Wii U ports, because Wii U was so successful.
Warm Machine
Member
Oh great but since this is the 5-millionth post of people claiming they knew it all along...
I didn't know for sure but it seemed the only other avenue available for them to go. Check my post history if you want to get all detective. I've stated it for years.
I really don't see it the cost of the processor is one thing there's still the docking unit, charger and the whole detachable controller + higher quality screen and maybe gyro. 3DS is being sold at 199$ right now. I'm thinking $249 maybe $300 even.
If the console is powerful enough, maybe it can play 3ds games via a virtual console type download.
Wrestlemania
Banned
For the full handheld and console version, the dock will probably be a fairly dumb device that just has the outputs to the TV.
If they do one that only works with a TV, it'd basically be a device that has all of the internals from the handheld but would cost a bit less because they wouldn't need a screen or batteries.
That's why I said the handheld only. I don't expect an expensive screen. The dock and the rest will add probably $99 separate and $69-$79 bundled.
Speaking of, how big is the 2ds screen (under the plastic)?
Dragon Puncher
Member
You and everybody else, expect the few people that trusted the old Iwata report and refused to believe it was a handheld at all.
Everything still is a speculation, so we'll have to see how Nintendo will market this one. Regardless of its "gimmick features" it still looks to be an iterative to their handheld anyway, so it is a separate thing from PSTV or Shield.
I hope Nintendo knows they have to encourage people to take this thing with them even if they already have a phone in their pocket all the time. Use StreetPass coins and make them valuable. Make them a global currency with which you can buy stuff in games (IAP). Encourage people meeting up with new StreetPass features. Look at what Pokémon GO does and translate it into your platform.
Screen will need to be bigger and more expensive because of much higer resolution.
Wrestlemania
Banned
The Wii U may not have been, but those games were. If the concept of the NX proves to be more attractive than the Wii U, then it makes sense to build on the popularity of those games to a potentially larger audience.
Let's not forget the selling point of full blown Nintendo games here.
It would be a standalone home console that incorporates the combined GPU/CPU of the handheld and dock...for people who just want to game at home without the extra costs of the additional handheld tech.
I doubt that Nintendo will chose an expensive screen. There are a lot of cheap tablets out there with high resolution screens and actually Nintendo needs one at 540p or 720p.
But let's say the handheld without the dock will be $199-$249 with an X1 GPU. It's not than unreasonable.
Honestly I still want to stomp people even though it seems most likely now.
Still won't believe anything until it's revealed
Nintendo GO
Nintendo GO Home
(I made this joke like months ago, OK?)
Sounds like a good compromise for everyone. We'll see if Nintendo decides to go down that route.
Jonneh3003
Banned
What people need to remember about the launch window is it would be combining two different system libraries. Look and the Wii U's launch window and the 3DS's launch window and combine them. That's what we should expect with this.
This is what I expect.
Simple HDMI/USB box is pretty much all they need.
Perhaps with very simple ARM core and some flash memory, if they go fancy. (background downloads etc.)
PdotMichael
Banned
Looking at the fact that I have seen PS4 with Uncharted deals for 250. As console is the 150-250 price point too high for the dedicated gaming console. And the handheld market is in a pretty bad shape.
metareferential
Member
True, but I don't think they will have traditional 3rd party support.
Hopefully they've spent some of that cash securing ports and exclusives.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Dark Cloud
Member
No surprise. $199 sounds like the perfect price.
Isn't $199 what most expect, given the competition? I mean, you can get an Xbox One for $249 already.
Jonneh3003
Banned
We're pleased to announce that the Nintendo NX is at the afforadble price..of free!
Hostile_18
Banned
Honestly sounds awful to me. Detachable controllers from each side? Good god. No doubt the software will be good but it's like Nintendo keep making the same mistake over and over again.
If only Sony or Microsoft had a competitor to Mario Kart I'd be happy for Nintendo to go and do their own thing each generation!
If only Sony or Microsoft had a competitor to Mario Kart I'd be happy for Nintendo to go and do their own thing each generation!
HandsomeCharles
Member
I'm dubious....
To be honest I'm dubious about the whole thing. It will be interesting to see how accurate the EG article is when we come face to face with the actual console.
Dark Cloud
Member
3DS was $249. I guess $149 is the lowest.
I presume the detachable controllers would have scroll wheel shoulder buttons.
If games like Splatoon and Mario Maker had launched with the Wii U maybe it would have had a chance of living.
TonyMX
Neo Member
Missed opportunity for Nintendon't
Dark Cloud
Member
This better happen because right now this whole "detachable controllers" sounds like a mess considering you need two analog sticks and a d-pad with abxy.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
You know, there is a question I haven't seen raised yet.
Do you think Nintendo goes with $29.99, $39.99, or $59.99 priced games for their NX. Will NX version of Zelda cost less than Wii U version because it is handheld?
Do you think Nintendo goes with $29.99, $39.99, or $59.99 priced games for their NX. Will NX version of Zelda cost less than Wii U version because it is handheld?
Everything aligns nicely. Add the comments from Ubisoft about how NX will be successful and it's very likely that we will get a cheap NX.
Probably different prices for different games, like they do now. Zelda on NX will cost the same as Zelda on Wii U, it's the same full fledged game.
Wrestlemania
Banned
What's the issue with it being two halves? If it's got all the same inputs as a normal controller, being split just gives you some options for how you hold it.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The more I think about this, the worse the entire idea sounds.
We've seen time and time again that most handheld gamers don't want the same console experiences but portable, they want handheld games. Pick-up-and-play experiences reign supreme and always have. So if the idea of this console is "it's home console games, but portable!" that already sounds like a failure off the bat. So to successfully play to this console's strengths, Nintendo is going to have to somehow build experiences around the fact that this is both a handheld and home console. Which says to me, games like Breath of the Wild, which is an incredibly vast game that pushes the hardware and encourages prolonged, deep exploration, really have less of a place on this console. If anything, two-in-one is inherently limiting, not liberating for developers have some have said.
And of course, if this thing is as powerful as we're talking about, even with all the best decisions, it sounds like an absolute nightmare as far as battery life goes. This is like what, several times the power of the Vita? I don't care how efficient Tegra X1 or X2 can be. Something like Breath of the Wild running on more powerful hardware than the Wii U is not going to get good battery life. Period. Well, unless the thing has a fucking enormous battery, which is going to increase the size, weight, and charge time, thus decreasing the portability of the console.
Which also brings up the fact, this already sounds like it's going to be much too big to be portable. At the very least it's going to be the size of a decent tablet, meaning you'll need a backpack or bag to carry it around, which I sure as fuck don't want. And if you're someone who already carries a tablet or laptop, it's just another thing to carry around.
Finally, this idea of detachable controllers honestly sounds awful. I seriously can't image well-designed, ergonomic controllers with a full set of inputs just popping on and off of this thing. It seems like at best we'll get glorified NES pads with a couple extra inputs, which sounds both uncomfortable and extremely limiting for game design.
I'm just not sure what the hell the purpose of this console is. It sounds like it's trying to be a jack of all trades, but it inherently fails in a lot of key areas necessary for a handheld console, is underpowered for a home console, possibly has a limited number of inputs, and forces developers to develop games as both console games and portable games, meaning the games themselves also won't have the full strengths of either platform. All of this setting aside the fact that I'm not sure who they're trying to sell an even larger, probably even more expensive handheld to when the handheld market has shrunk drastically.
I feel like this thing, at least as described here, is only going to attract some of the Wii U owners and some of the 3DS owners, for a total number of sales somewhere between the two, and likely closer to the Wii U.
We've seen time and time again that most handheld gamers don't want the same console experiences but portable, they want handheld games. Pick-up-and-play experiences reign supreme and always have. So if the idea of this console is "it's home console games, but portable!" that already sounds like a failure off the bat. So to successfully play to this console's strengths, Nintendo is going to have to somehow build experiences around the fact that this is both a handheld and home console. Which says to me, games like Breath of the Wild, which is an incredibly vast game that pushes the hardware and encourages prolonged, deep exploration, really have less of a place on this console. If anything, two-in-one is inherently limiting, not liberating for developers have some have said.
And of course, if this thing is as powerful as we're talking about, even with all the best decisions, it sounds like an absolute nightmare as far as battery life goes. This is like what, several times the power of the Vita? I don't care how efficient Tegra X1 or X2 can be. Something like Breath of the Wild running on more powerful hardware than the Wii U is not going to get good battery life. Period. Well, unless the thing has a fucking enormous battery, which is going to increase the size, weight, and charge time, thus decreasing the portability of the console.
Which also brings up the fact, this already sounds like it's going to be much too big to be portable. At the very least it's going to be the size of a decent tablet, meaning you'll need a backpack or bag to carry it around, which I sure as fuck don't want. And if you're someone who already carries a tablet or laptop, it's just another thing to carry around.
Finally, this idea of detachable controllers honestly sounds awful. I seriously can't image well-designed, ergonomic controllers with a full set of inputs just popping on and off of this thing. It seems like at best we'll get glorified NES pads with a couple extra inputs, which sounds both uncomfortable and extremely limiting for game design.
I'm just not sure what the hell the purpose of this console is. It sounds like it's trying to be a jack of all trades, but it inherently fails in a lot of key areas necessary for a handheld console, is underpowered for a home console, possibly has a limited number of inputs, and forces developers to develop games as both console games and portable games, meaning the games themselves also won't have the full strengths of either platform. All of this setting aside the fact that I'm not sure who they're trying to sell an even larger, probably even more expensive handheld to when the handheld market has shrunk drastically.
I feel like this thing, at least as described here, is only going to attract some of the Wii U owners and some of the 3DS owners, for a total number of sales somewhere between the two, and likely closer to the Wii U.
This preconception keep popping up here. Do you have any kind of study to back up this?
What's so bad about the idea?
Not quite. I don't think Nintendo is gonna want to crowd their launch with too many games. They'll want to pace them out, give them each their time to shine. I do expect this to be Nintendo's best launch / post-launch ever, though.
Devilgunman
Member
When was the last time Nintendo released multiple SKUs for their hardware like that? They're going to force the dock + handheld on everyone throat whether you want it or not. It was the same for the WiiU. Not everyone was the fan of WiiU pad but they're forced to use it anyway.
If you don't want to use the handheld, just keep it permanently attached to the dock and think of them as an underpowered home console.
Feral Gingy
Banned
BC with 3DS would most likely push me into buying the NX, even if it doesn't offer the full home console experience that I was looking forward to, but instead a dock hybrid thingy.
I skipped the 3DS and would like to experience some of the gems out there.
what I'm trying to say is that
if there will be no SCD that could actually (to me) transform this thing into a real hybrid with actual "home" features, the "HDMI" feature could even hurt the "PR" and marketing communication aspect of this new product.
The leak states the "Wii U flop" in communication, but as it is, this could really be as bad as the Wii U concept was, in terms of "PR".
If there is no SCD, I'd say that probably it would be better for it to be a normal portable (with those detachable controllers and maybe even the free form factor display)
Shocking news: Nintendo device doesn't get long term 3rd party support.
SpiceMelange
Member
The vita is more ancient than ancient regarding mobile tech these days. It's like saying the DS can not possibly have a good battery life because the n64 have similar graphics but required a wall outlet.
So why release anything at all if there's no effort? Might as well sell a piece of cardboard.
Sammy Samusu
Member
It's a Nintendo device. For Nintendo games. Plus Japanese and casual games. Another shocking news.
- Status