Jonneh3003
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Why is it hilarious? It would be what turns NX from a handheld experience to a console experience.
Basically this.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Why is it hilarious? It would be what turns NX from a handheld experience to a console experience.
There's some rumours going around of some of the more popular games like Splatoon and Smash getting ported to the system at least
KojiKnight
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I keep going back to the thought... it just makes too much sense to me. Iwata said it's not a hybrid, and I can't imagine he'd lie about it.... and nearly all of the big patents we've seen lately are playing a role in this latest rumor, except for the SCDs...
I'm still convinced, this isn't a hybrid, this is our portable. The TV docking seems like something that could have been added late in development (maybe not post Iwata, but maybe so)... and we still have the fact that NX is supposed to be a platform of devices, not a single device... Meaning what we're seeing here is "device 1".
Thinking like that (series of devices, this rumor focusing on a mobile version, and the fact that we're seeing developers starting to come out as excited for it), I think we're seeing the base of the NX, with the true 'console' SCD coming out around Christmas.
The dock is meant to be a stop-gap for the flagging Wii U sales for those that want a console experience (and one that should still outdo the Wii U even if it can't meet Xbone levels) until the SCD is ready down the line... With the base system containing a lot of the hardware (controller, storage, cartridge reader), the SCD can be a staggered 'upgrade' for a sub-console cost, with a bundle with both also being available in time for November Christmas shopping.
*spitballing*
All that said, I still don't imagine the SCD will/would compete with the Neo or Scorpio, it's just not Nintendo's style.
(edit) Keep in mind... a full on console with a full on handheld at launch would inflate the price pretty greatly, something Nintendo has experience with that ended poorly... I expect whatever the first NX device to be, it's going to be "affordable" compared to the other consoles (see the original Wii) with the SCD being about the same price as the base unit to extend it... For that reason, I don't think the dock will contain any additional hardware or be any more than what the rumor already says it is, just a way to get TV out.
I'm still convinced, this isn't a hybrid, this is our portable. The TV docking seems like something that could have been added late in development (maybe not post Iwata, but maybe so)... and we still have the fact that NX is supposed to be a platform of devices, not a single device... Meaning what we're seeing here is "device 1".
Thinking like that (series of devices, this rumor focusing on a mobile version, and the fact that we're seeing developers starting to come out as excited for it), I think we're seeing the base of the NX, with the true 'console' SCD coming out around Christmas.
The dock is meant to be a stop-gap for the flagging Wii U sales for those that want a console experience (and one that should still outdo the Wii U even if it can't meet Xbone levels) until the SCD is ready down the line... With the base system containing a lot of the hardware (controller, storage, cartridge reader), the SCD can be a staggered 'upgrade' for a sub-console cost, with a bundle with both also being available in time for November Christmas shopping.
*spitballing*
All that said, I still don't imagine the SCD will/would compete with the Neo or Scorpio, it's just not Nintendo's style.
(edit) Keep in mind... a full on console with a full on handheld at launch would inflate the price pretty greatly, something Nintendo has experience with that ended poorly... I expect whatever the first NX device to be, it's going to be "affordable" compared to the other consoles (see the original Wii) with the SCD being about the same price as the base unit to extend it... For that reason, I don't think the dock will contain any additional hardware or be any more than what the rumor already says it is, just a way to get TV out.
Because it might as well be a console unto itself at that point.
Mihos
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There are and have been tons of portable systems that you can that..... no one does. I have the Shield portable, tablet, and TV mainly because docking the portable or tablet to my setup makes zero sense. How many people actally used a sega nomad on their TV?
lol so it's a handheld. The console part is pointless when it's dwarfed by 3 year old platforms.
It doesn't work on smartphone cause you don't have an external device to play with a friend. It's not easy playing at the same time on one only phone..
I hope not, because that would mean you have to place a wired dock on your coffee table, assuming you have one.
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Deleted member 752119
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The Wii U launched at $350 for the 32gb version and mostly started around $300 new aside from sales. 3DS launched at $250 and the N3DSXL is still $280.
I'd be flabbergasted if the NX was more than $250-300, so it's not like console preferers are getting gouged. If anything portable only folks who'll never use the dock are paying more.
Nintendo has to keep price down. The market has shown that people are paying top dollar for Nintendo hardware like they do Sony and MS hardware. Too much of Nintendo's market is price conscious families and gamers doing most of their gaming elsewhere who aren't going to pay those prices for a side platform for the few Nintendo games that appeal to them. There aware of this as Miyamoto and others have said they felt price was part of the Wii U's struggles.
Ulysses 31
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You prefer less options? ¯\ (º_o) /¯
I prefer more options by having an actual console capable of keeping up with engine developments from 3 years ago.
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Deleted member 752119
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Nintendo hasn't been competitive in power since the GameCube. Plenty of people still love playing their games on the big screen instead of a handheld when it's not on terribly marketed and priced hardware like the Wii U.
I wonder how that is going to work in TV mode. Aren't you basically docking the screen to change to home console mode? I hope there's a solution to that for touch-screen focused games.
Jonneh3003
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I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. The assumption is that NX is both the Nintendo handheld and console of this generation, it's a handheld by nature that gets a power boost when plugged into the dock. The dock would boost certain aspects of the visuals such as resolution, frame rate and other assets.
The dock would have its own components and work with the handhelds components via the supplement patent Nintendo filed months ago:
To simply dismiss the possibility of the dock providing extra power is silly, why else would we have all those hybrid rumors and why wouldn't the system just have HDMI out similar to how the PSP 2000,3000 and Go had component out?
The GameCubes idiotic disk size restriction was a hardware bottleneck unto itself- they haven't been competitive since pre-N64.
I'm asking why the dock isn't a stand alone system is it were to be already faster than the handheld?
They are getting gouged if a standalone console with the same tech but minus the handheld could be sold for less.
I'd much rather pay $150-$200 for a standalone NX home console...than $250- $300 for a NX handheld/home console combo.
Real_Madrid
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I was not talking about a separation, just that you have 3 boxes of the NX, one without the handheld screen and one without the console possibilities and one with everything.
It would irritate the hell out of me, if I bought a NX for lets say 300 euro and having an expensive handheld screen I will never use.
Mihos
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The kid are pretty screwed then, because daddy is taking the handheld on his business trips.
AzureFlame
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N64's Expansion Pak? Not a docking system though.
Jonneh3003
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My assumption is it isn't a stand alone system because NX is one product with a joint library of games, if the patent carries over to the product then the handheld will leverage the tech of the dock in addition to the Tegra already found in the handheld. If they're going for a single product it wouldn't make any sense for the dock to be a stand alone system.
Mr. Pointy
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I imagine they just won't work in console mode. I think there are going to be games that will just be handheld mode only.
Ulysses 31
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There are already consoles for that, if you want the newer generation of nintendo games, you'll be stuck with NX.
Jonneh3003
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What's the difference between that and daddy taking the family Ipad? Either way he's taking something with him that the family won't be able to use anymore.
TheAmazingXemo
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No, more like a tablet with a docking station.
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Deleted member 752119
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Do you really think Nintendo could market separate Skus? Effectively communicate that they were console and portable versions of the same system that played the same games? When they couldn't come up with a better name than Wii U and had lots of parents and casuals thinking it was just a Wii add on, stores displaying it in Wii marketing end caps etc.?
They also probably didn't want to rising repeat of the 3DS/Wii, GBA/GC situation where one succeeds and the other fails as that's bad for their image.
It also probably helps revenue some. If they remained separate and say the portable was $200 and the console $300 they'd have diehards buying both, and others only buying one or the other. Having a hybrid at say $250 kind of splits the difference from going to one revenue stream from two.
You don't sound bitter at all. Do you really think Nintendo's problems could be solved if only they spent more on marketing? And PS4 had a really good first year game wise.
joshbob1985
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Monster Hunter back on my TV? Sign me up.
Sammy Samusu
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Pokémon GOPro is coming.
You know, the Tegra doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
I mean, the Mobile market walked away from the ARM chip due to it's rather bad power consumption. And that is something that you need to be aware of with a handheld, Something that Nintendo does focus on.
NVidia would be a rather bad match for what Nintendo would be looking for with a chip, and as much as AMD doesn't serve that market in any capacity, there are others that do.
I mean, the Mobile market walked away from the ARM chip due to it's rather bad power consumption. And that is something that you need to be aware of with a handheld, Something that Nintendo does focus on.
NVidia would be a rather bad match for what Nintendo would be looking for with a chip, and as much as AMD doesn't serve that market in any capacity, there are others that do.
Because the dock doesn't work separately, it's not designed to work separately and it's cheaper than a normal console. The purpose of a such dock would be to complement the handheld power and work as one device together. The main device and main focus of Nintendo is still the handheld.
Not for a gaming device. Nintendo isn't planing to launch a phone, you know?
Not at all. It's good for people who like to play on both but for people that only want to play on either HH or console there are sacrifices and they have to pay for something that they don't want. Especially as a home console fan.
But also for people that only want a portable this could possibly lead to a worse form factor than neccassry or other issues (f.e. higher price point or sacrifices in design or durability).
There's a reason why the recent patent was exciting news.
I don't mind this at all because it's a hybrid system. I think that splitting it up into a console version and a handheld version has the potential to confuse the market even worse than the Wii U did. If the NX could do the same thing as the PS4 and the Xbox then it wouldn't really be unique and there would be no reason for me (PS4/PC) owner to even look at it besides the exclusives. This gives Nintendo the benefit of focusing on only one platform so their first party output is gonna be amazing along with the fact that you can take it anywhere with out compromising the experience. This is a win guys. Literally the only benefit I can see for having a seperate home console is better quality graphics but at the end of the day why does it matter? My number one most anticipated game is Persona 5 and it runs on PS3 (Less powerful than NX) and it looks beautiful.
Mr. Pointy
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If you can plug the NX handheld portion into a wall charger / portable battery pack without the dock, will it get a clock speed boost?
That's a horrible analogy. Nintendo selling multiple form factors is a win - win because the software catalogue is universal. It doesn't matter if one hardware sells more than the other - unlike your examples where they are two different platforms.
I'll repost my own theory cause it seems to convince many
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Well shit...now i will be really pissed if Nintendo somehow screws this up.
Talk about a real 360 gaming console for every situation.
Not for a handheld, but for tablet-laptops yes. And Nintendo has also a patent that includes exactly this.
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Deleted member 752119
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I don't think that would happen though. The console would be $250-300 either way. Nintendo's profit margin would just be higher. They aren't going to put out a $150-200 console as they'd worry about devaluing their brand etc.
I think they should really try to avoid that to minimize confusion. Ideally their messaging should be that you can play every game however you want. If people have to make sure the games they want work on the TV then I think that would be a problem.
Jonneh3003
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I don't think the battery provides any additional power.
No mention of a Home sku or dock additional power up hardware makes me kind of sad, but the idea of an up to date hardware handheld from Nintendo sound really awesome.
Trying to fight the home console war at this point with established millions of PS4 and XB1 out there already plus incoming mid-gen refreshes NEO and Scorpio sounds like a bloodfest where Nintendo was most likely going to be unnoticed even if they tried, so approaching the home marked indirectly with NX portable outputting to TV sounds like a smart idea to me.
Really pumped about NX and maybe it's not out of the question we could see a power-up dock using the SCD patent and allowing NX to output 2k/4k in the future...
Detachable controllers puzzle me though, can't quite figure out how those are going to be, but a Nintendo reveal in September sounds a lot earlier than I expected, hope it's true and we get a better picture of the system.
Trying to fight the home console war at this point with established millions of PS4 and XB1 out there already plus incoming mid-gen refreshes NEO and Scorpio sounds like a bloodfest where Nintendo was most likely going to be unnoticed even if they tried, so approaching the home marked indirectly with NX portable outputting to TV sounds like a smart idea to me.
Really pumped about NX and maybe it's not out of the question we could see a power-up dock using the SCD patent and allowing NX to output 2k/4k in the future...
Detachable controllers puzzle me though, can't quite figure out how those are going to be, but a Nintendo reveal in September sounds a lot earlier than I expected, hope it's true and we get a better picture of the system.
Agreed. That would kill the advantage this type of product has. If those types of limitations exist then they shouldn make this kind of product.
I wonder if Nintendo will release a 4G/5G sku of the NX or they will push users to use their mobile connection outside of wifi networks.
Graphics Horse
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They'd better include GPS and sim card support then! Would be a bit awkward if it doesn't but I wouldn't be surprised.
It's certainly possible, but not really probable.
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