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NPD Sales Results For October 2016

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Graphics Horse

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Curufinwe said:
You don't see the appeal of a much more powerful console for $100 more? It's pretty obvious what the appeal is.
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I don't see it appealing to the 'wait 3 years until it's cheaper' crowd.
I expect most of the power hungry console fans who favour the expensive option already own a standard ps4, what's the cost with a trade-in?

Having said that, new customers are always growing into the market of course.
 
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Omnistalgic

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wow....Sony has their work cut out for them in the U.S

They have to make up like 300k in order to gain back what they've lost over the past 4 months. X1 has indeed closed the gap some in the U.S. Keeps going up every month. If X1 falls into no mans's territory next year in the slow months I guess it'll be the same thing all over again, but still a nice change of pace from PS4 winning every month.

@Graphics-Horse You can generally get about $150-$200 for PS4 so I would say the average cost for PS4 owners upgrading is probably $200-$250 before tax. Throw in some old games and maybe an extra controller or something and I think many will upgrade once they get a 4K set or a big game comes out where everyone is taking about the graphics.
 
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Elandyll

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Obliterator said:
So about 1.2 million for Battlefield 1 launch. Pretty damn good. And almost a 100k gap in October is a big lead for the month for Xbox. Sony should rebound and take November but December is anyone's game imo
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With PS4+PS4 pro, it's going to be a big win for the PS4 in Nov (with months of stacked pre orders), and a smaller but still sizeable win in Dec as well, is my guess. And yes Prim, I am indeed willing to bet.

Decent gap for the XB1 in Oct, but when you factor everything in, nothing to write home about (factors being the usual end of year bump, big AAA shooters releasing with BF1 tie in, $299 price drop with some deals here and there even cheaper, and a top exclusive franchise Gears mainline title with a well reviewed opus). Still did a bit better than I expected, the Gears and BF1 bundles doing work.

On the PS4 side, the S actually dropped a bit less than I expected, with the Pro right on its heels.

Now back on the bet, I would like to specify my December prediction, with making it conditional of SIEA releasing a COD IW bundle in December.
If they keep coasting on the UC4 bundle, it'll be a close one and could potentially go either way imo(the Pro basically eating a piece of the Slim pie, with no excitement on the UC4 bundle to drive sales).
 
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Omnistalgic

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Curufinwe said:
What is the LTD gap?
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It was a little over a million I think before X1 started to win in the U.S. Someone should come with more accurate numbers, but I think MS should have closed the U.S gap by at least 250K with the current wins in NPD, and did some shaving down in UK as well.

WW is not worth discussing.
 
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Toki767

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Curufinwe said:
What is the LTD gap?
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In the US...something like 1.5 million.

Sony really doesn't have anything to worry about in my opinion.

They haven't really tried this holiday at all. It definitely feels like 2014 where they had a PS4 bundle with GTA V and TLOU Remastered for $400 while Microsoft was already getting close to $250 on their Xbox One bundles.
 
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Boke1879

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MS still has to make up a 1.5 million Gap. They aren't making that up any time soon imo. And I think November will be close no matter who wins.

December is anyone's game. It's just a matter of who keeps the deals going.

I'm also interested in revenue. MS has definitely been putting a slight dent into everything, but they have so many bundles out you have to wonder how much money they are truly making.

Meanwhile Sony has a bundle with just a first party game and a new Sku. Both of which they are making money on.

Once we get into the months of like Jan-Apr consoles sales obviously slow up. It's good that actual games are launching in this time frame though. So it's going to be interesting.
 
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DriftingSpirit

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Toki767 said:
In the US...something like 1.5 million.

Sony really doesn't have anything to worry about in my opinion.

They haven't really tried this holiday at all. It definitely feels like 2014 where they had a PS4 bundle with GTA V and TLOU Remastered for $400 while Microsoft was already getting close to $250 on their Xbox One bundles.
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Agreed.

Sony and MS are doing fine in their own regard.

Boke1879 said:
MS still has to make up a 1.5 million Gap. They aren't making that up any time soon imo. And I think November will be close no matter who wins.

December is anyone's game. It's just a matter of who keeps the deals going.

I'm also interested in revenue. MS has definitely been putting a slight dent into everything, but they have so many bundles out you have to wonder how much money they are truly making.

Meanwhile Sony has a bundle with just a first party game and a new Sku. Both of which they are making money on.

Once we get into the months of like Jan-Apr consoles sales obviously slow up. It's good that actual games are launching in this time frame though. So it's going to be interesting.
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I'm really excited to see how well Horizon performs critically and commercially. I'm curious to see how the market takes a fresh, major IP like that.
 
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Boke1879

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DriftingSpirit said:
Agreed.

Sony and MS are doing fine in their own regard.

I'm really excited to see how well Horizon performs critically and commercially. I'm curious to see how the market takes a fresh, major IP like that.
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I really hope it makes it's current release date. I think this game is going to do very well and it's going to be nice to hopefully see it sell well also.
 
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Dash_Riprock

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I would say Sony has November in the bag, but considering how I have been dead wrong about every prediction I've made this year, from game sales to politics, I'll just sit back and watch this time.
 
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gundamkyoukai

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Not bad for XB but it's nothing for Sony to worry about .
They still have a lead of 1.5 million options for bundles and even a price drop .
IMO how much the Pro sell is going to decide who win Nov and by what amount.
 
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pra2veen

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I wonder how sales/revenue is calculated on the Gears of War 4 tie in with Nvidia. I bought my copy of GOW4 for $35 from someone who got a GTX 1070 but didn't want the game. The NPD numbers don't include digital so they technically don't count in the ranking, but I'm still curious.

The PS4 Pro numbers in November NPD will be very interesting to see, it's been on the top 20 list of Amazon for the past few months, since they were all pre-orders though, those numbers will only be counted in November. Still, should be an interesting November.
 
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gundamkyoukai said:
Not bad for XB but it's nothing for Sony to worry about .
They still have a lead of 1.5 million options for bundles and even a price drop .
IMO how much the Pro sell is going to decide who win Nov and by what amount.
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The bigger issue is Sony are still ahead on software sales, which in the end is where the real profit lies. XB1's strengths unfortunately don't really help MS bottom-line much in that regard; they aren't making much from BC and nothing whatsoever from UHD BR.

Being ahead on hardware units sold is a nice bit of PR, but corporations only worry when its their bottom line being impacted, and 58% YoY on software for PS4 is going to keep the bean counters happy. At the end of the day Japan alone pretty much nullifies the difference in monthly hardware sales in MS strongest territories (US/UK), and given their massive advantage in the rest of the world... they are sitting quite pretty on the whole.
 
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Trup1aya

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Primethius said:
Well, that's fantastic then. I didn't proclaim it as a definitive statement nor did I pretend I was parading around a factual insight given the data we received.

I simply put it out as what the data meant to me, given the limited numbers we have.

You call it reaching? Cool. I hate to break it to you but most of my posts in this thread that start with "I feel" or "this indicates to me" are gonna sound like a lot of reaching to you. Just be ready for that.
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I wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry if i did. We are all speculating here. I didn't feel like your supporting evidence was strong support.

It seems like their has to have been some reason why Xbox gamers spent more $ on games that ps4 users, and other than 1st party releases, i don't know what that reason could be.
 
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noshten

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So November should be good for all Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo
Fore me the question is how many 3DS/2DS and Pokemon get sold - I have a vested interest for this to be the biggest launch on the 3DS ecosystem.
 
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FinaruDensetsu

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Hmmm 90k difference seems a bit small considering Gears released and Pro was coming the month after?

I mean Sony basically did nothing in October whatsoever to sell the system and was still this close.
 
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Vena

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wesleyshark said:
329K - Xbox One
235K - PS4
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Well thats a gap alright.

FinaruDensetsu said:
Hmmm 90k difference seems a bit small considering Gears released and Pro was coming the month after?

I mean Sony basically did nothing in October whatsoever to sell the system and was still this close.
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~100k isn't a small gap. They did nothing (and Gears released), and got beaten by a fairly considerable margin... we're basically seeing that (Pro performance pending) the X1S has been a product with very sustained good legs vs. the competition. This also isn't hurt by the PS4S seemingly having little to no extra traction at all comparably speaking, which has lead to the PS4 in general performing at or below previous year-monthly results.

We'll see how the Pro shakes things up, but BF will definitely be very competitive between the X1S and the PS4S+Pro. Given the bundles on display, though, I wouldn't be shocked to see the X1S still win out in the end.
 
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Somnia

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BTW I know it's not $249.99, but Microsoft starts their Black Friday early, tomorrow with all of the 1TB bundles being $50 off already. The 500gb bundles go on sale starting Friday.

I know GameStop is starting their "pre" black Friday tomorrow. BF1 and Gears 1TB bundles are $299 w/ a free xbox backpack (no idea). PS4 500gb UC4 bundle on sale for $299 w/ a free copy of Destiny Collection.

http://www.gamestop.com/collection/gamestop-sale
 
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nocturnalis

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ForkNetwork said:
A 90k lead with Gears of War 4 released and people waiting for the Pro doesnt really convince me that November will go to XB1 when the Pro is already out.

I would love to be proven wrong, especially because then the NPD thread would be a salt disaster.
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Nothing will ever top December 10, 2014, the glorious, glorious [/I ] day the November 2014 NPD thread hit. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
 
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allan-bh

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Obliterator said:
Remember the last installment of Gears nearly killed the entire franchise. Judgement was so poorly received by the fan base that even Epic had no plans on working on the franchise after that released. I think its a combo of the franchise being older, and also people hesitant on if it would be any good or not.

Halo 5 had a somewhat similar situation where Halo 4 was pretty poorly received as well. Also a not small number of 360 owners don't own Xbox One's. A lot of them own PS4's now instead. That is certainly a factor
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yea, but isn't just Halo and Gears, they killed Fable (which was an important franchise) and other titles like Sunset Overdrive, ReCore and Quantum Break sold poorly.

This gen is not being good for Microsoft as a first party.
 
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sense

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Trup1aya said:
So gears 4 < 718k total w/ an assumed 30% digital split.
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Huge drop compared to over 2 million for gears 3. Considering it did poorly in U.K. as well which was MS strong market as well alongside US, things are looking grim sales wise for MS first party. No wonder they didn't even bother with a fluff pr this time around for gears
 
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Trup1aya

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blakep267 said:
Not looking good for gears. I expected mafia to be higher. If you use 30%digital ad a baseline for mafia 3, that's around 650k, meaning gears was lower
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Shouldn't the assumption be that 503k is 70% of Mafia3s total. Meaning the total is 503k/.7= 718k
 
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blakep267

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I don't think this means the end of gears, I do think that the coalition will release a new IP before they do gears 5 though.
 
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Primethius

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Welfare said:
https://twitter.com/AstronautClaire/status/800764016146743300

Astronaut Claire

$MSFT's Gears of War 4 sold ~415K excluding bundles and 505K including bundles at October 2016 NPD USA Retail Software.without bundles.

Bundles sold 90k. Halo 5 bundle sold 93k in comparison, but that was 2 weeks compared to Gears 4 weeks.
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The bundle helped it a bit at least. Still, selling about half of what the original game sold and being around Judgment isn't good.
 
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Trup1aya

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sense said:
Huge drop compared to over 2 million for gears 3. Considering it did poorly in U.K. as well which was MS strong market as well alongside US, things are looking grim sales wise for MS first party. No wonder they didn't even bother with a fluff pr this time around for gears
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MS first party has struggled mightily this gen. You have to figure that a lot of the people wouldve been gears fans have ps4s instead of Xbox1s.

That's why i doubt MS is still measuring new instalment success by the heights of predecessors. That would be an exercise in futility.
 
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Elios83

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Welfare said:
https://twitter.com/AstronautClaire/status/800764016146743300

Astronaut Claire

$MSFT's Gears of War 4 sold ~415K excluding bundles and 505K including bundles at October 2016 NPD USA Retail Software.without bundles.

Bundles sold 90k. Halo 5 bundle sold 93k in comparison, but that was 2 weeks compared to Gears 4 weeks.
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Ouch for software sales.
Gears bundles helped a lot and were actually the main reason behind the PS4-XB1 gap last month.
I greatly understimated the impact of these bundle also because of the really high price.
This means there is a place for this kind of high priced bundles as much as a ripoff they might seem, we'll see if the trend continues with the FFXV Luna bundle.
 
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blakep267

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DriftingSpirit said:
But they have officially become the Gears studio. Basically, what Turn 10 is but for Gears.
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I think that would apply of the game did great. Forza still sells well and even with halo 5 being down a lot, it'll still sell a bunch, maybe 7-8 million

Gears might top at at ~2 million or so. You'd want to have something else in the pipe for the future
 
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Obliterator

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Welfare said:
https://twitter.com/AstronautClaire/status/800761616635744256

Astronaut Claire

$TTWO's Mafia III sold 503K at Oct 2016 NPD USA Retail Software (310K on PS4 and 193K on XBO).+122% higher than Mafia II's 2010 debut (227K)
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That is really a great performance for Mafia. I wonder how legs will hold up as it doesn't seem like its universally well liked, but either way great launch.

Welfare said:
https://twitter.com/AstronautClaire/status/800764016146743300

Astronaut Claire

$MSFT's Gears of War 4 sold ~415K excluding bundles and 505K including bundles at October 2016 NPD USA Retail Software.without bundles.

Bundles sold 90k. Halo 5 bundle sold 93k in comparison, but that was 2 weeks compared to Gears 4 weeks.
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Certainly majorly down, but I don't think its necessarily catastrophic. It doesn't look like if we include digital its much down from Judgement. Or should be around in line. Given how 1st party MS has been going I have to think they are at least ok with that result. Doubt they love it, but we will certainly see another installment in the franchise.
 
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Primethius

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Halo probably caught MS off guard with its steep drop but I doubt Gears did. I never really got the feeling that MS was positioning it as a major title the way older Gears were. Seemed very dedicated to the core base.
 
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gundamkyoukai

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Gears numbers shows how much problems MS is having with first party software .
We are looking at big drops and nothing is coming to replace them .
 
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Obliterator

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Primethius said:
Halo probably caught MS off guard with its steep drop but I doubt Gears did. I never really got the feeling that MS was positioning it as a major title the way older Gears were. Seemed very dedicated to the core base.
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Indeed, I think Halo blind sided them, but I doubt Gears 4 did. If we include digital and the bundle sales its about in line with the last game Judgement. Its not a huge success by any means, but it shouldn't have much issue making its money back.

I agree its basically MS throwing a bone to the core fanbase I think more than something they expected to be a monster hit.
 
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DriftingSpirit

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blakep267 said:
I think that would apply of the game did great. Forza still sells well and even with halo 5 being down a lot, it'll still sell a bunch, maybe 7-8 million

Gears might top at at ~2 million or so. You'd want to have something else in the pipe for the future
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Nah, I'm saying that is what MS turned the studio into. It wasn't dependent on success or lack thereof. They released a statement on it.
 
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