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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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DragonSworne
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We are running on Nvidia flops, coding to the metal, small OS footprint, and secret cores now.
krizalidzero
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I don't know the numbers, but the Vita is PS3-esque and this is much more powerful
Netherscourge
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This tells me Nintendo's priority is not the quality of the games, but rather the length of each gaming session via prolonging battery life.
It completely destroys the Vita.
God Dayumm
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I agree with you in that people are being unrealistic, and I am happy with the specs, actually find it impressive for a handheld.
But this is the fault of Nintendo for marketing this as a console since the beginning. First they denied it was a hybrid, then they said it was a home console first and foremost. They created the unrealistic expectations
Driving a 1080p@60 display only takes about 4Gbit/s of bandwidth, leaving 6 still available. That should be plenty for all kinds of other accessories.
nogoodnamesleft
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Um, no? People were expecting, for the most part, something about in between of the extremes that you stated, and what the specs actually are.
You are over exaggerating, and Nintendo underdelivered. Nobody expected what you quoted but the expectation was still not on the other extremity. The specs are worse than even the most level headed expectations. Just as nobody expected a portable PS4 at 199, people surely did not expect them to be THIS bad.
It will be $249 like the rumors suggest. Still an acceptable price.
Nintendo no longer has to split their focus between home console and handheld. This is what the WiiU should have been.
There wont be a companion portable system. This is it. When viewing things from the perspective of a portable, this all makes sense. It will look nice, but it needs battery life. And reality is, batteries aren't that great in 2016.
In addition to just looking nice and being a potable----its supposed to somehow support local multiplayer/co-op, while in portable mode. The marketing is really selling this as a portable which you take with you for the day or evening. And can share with friends. Then when you get home, you can sit in your favorite chair and view it on your TV. And the way the specs split for docked Vs. Portable----it should hopefully be fairly seamless in graphical impact and performance.
This thing is a portable, which docs with your TV. Things like Shield, laptops, and some of these other weird ultra portable PC things, are trying to be that main console/system but somehow kinda portable. Yeah, some smartphones are more powerful. But try playing a high end game for more than an hour, before your battery is empty.
Switch is a portable, first. And its got a couple of tricks and accessories, to play better in your living room.
There wont be a companion portable system. This is it. When viewing things from the perspective of a portable, this all makes sense. It will look nice, but it needs battery life. And reality is, batteries aren't that great in 2016.
In addition to just looking nice and being a potable----its supposed to somehow support local multiplayer/co-op, while in portable mode. The marketing is really selling this as a portable which you take with you for the day or evening. And can share with friends. Then when you get home, you can sit in your favorite chair and view it on your TV. And the way the specs split for docked Vs. Portable----it should hopefully be fairly seamless in graphical impact and performance.
This thing is a portable, which docs with your TV. Things like Shield, laptops, and some of these other weird ultra portable PC things, are trying to be that main console/system but somehow kinda portable. Yeah, some smartphones are more powerful. But try playing a high end game for more than an hour, before your battery is empty.
Switch is a portable, first. And its got a couple of tricks and accessories, to play better in your living room.
Well the last point could still be true, we dont know how they customized the Chip. I wouldnt bet on it, but its possible. There has to be a reason for the fans right ?
EatChildren
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Hopefully this finally kills the feverish hopes and dreams from some Nintendo diehards routinely insistent on Nintendo resecuring mainline AAA third party support once and for all. As beginning with the Wii Nintendo is completely, utterly disinterested in pursuing straight competition with Sony and Microsoft software markets.
The techhead in me is disappointed. But reality is my PC already fills that void and no amount of portability of third party games would make me buy them.
At least with this direction affordability is real, and the rest relies on quantity and quality of unique software I cant find anywhere else.
The techhead in me is disappointed. But reality is my PC already fills that void and no amount of portability of third party games would make me buy them.
At least with this direction affordability is real, and the rest relies on quantity and quality of unique software I cant find anywhere else.
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CrustyBritches
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To be a "Hybrid" implies console support. This thing is just an expensive Nintendo handheld, competing against an established Nintendo handheld in the 3ds.
As a parent of 6yr-old and 8yr-old boys, the DS and 3DS were optimal due to their rugged nature, clamshell design, and affordability.
This is a $250-300 tablet that plugs into the TV. No way I'm trusting them after what they do to every tablet they've had.
This console is aimed at almost nobody in particular. You'd have to try to make it this bad.
Considering it will have all the Nintendo games in one platform, I think that's a given.
The Vita is not close to the PS3.
If it can play a game like Breath of the Wild or Skyrim (which it can) it is powerful enough to be considered a home console.
If they were still hoping for that at this point, then this won't change their minds.
Also, perhaps wait for the rest of the specs to come out before being dissapointed or talking affordability. Clock speeds alone ain't gonna give you that info...
A generational leap basically.
blankempathy
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Again. Publishers will go where the money is. They always do. Or are people forgetting about all the dumbed down versions of popular ips on the wii/ds? Remember call of duty on ds?
th3sicknness
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yeah mean graphics right. or maybe you think they are one and the same?
superchunk
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During a holiday sale. Don't expect PS4 to be $250 w/game regular priced in March. Not to mention, NS can do what PS4 cannot.
- portable
- insane local multiplayer options
- nintendo games
- insane controller configurations
$250 for NS is a good staring point for masses. Not for everyone as we all see value differently. But, 3DS XL special editions go for over $200 all the time and regularly sell at $200 all day, every day.
krizalidzero
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Oh, but we mean empowering the console via dock. You can't use USB 3.1 as an extension for the console. 10Gbps isn't enough, even less if the data is transmitted in bursts I guess
Movalpolos
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Nintendo stated themselves that this is a home console first and foremost.
prag16
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This is where I'm at. I wouldn't have bought Dark Souls or Mass Effect on this thing regardless. However if this is true it makes $249 kind of a tough sell for me. $199 I'm in and it'll probably sell very well at that price. But $249 seems more likely. Could sit out the launch if that's the case.
From what I'm hearing throughout the industry (personal contacts) it's getting pretty tough for everyone involved, from small indie developers to AAA publishers.
Sales of sequels going down, budgets going up, uncertainty with Brexit and Trump now going around. Everyone is trying for that WoW spot of being THE game gamers play daily/weekly and always come back to, hence turning them into services while also selling them for full price. Developing getting riskier, hence opting-in for "safer" projects, which brings us back to this year's sequels performances. Newer hardware not making things easier for them (in other words things are more complicated due to PS4 Pro and Scorpio), some console manufacturers are practically leaving certain markets as far as presence goes (shutting local offices). Just not much positivity in the business right now.
As far as Nintendo is concerned, I don't see why they would aspire to compete with Sony and MS. Consoles in Japan are going meh, developers face tough challenges developing AAA games for both machines and most of the time it isn't really worth it. Projects failing left and right, the used market getting stronger, video game prices falling faster and so on.
Again, if someone just plays games on their PS4 or Xbox One not caring about the industry I could see why they wouldn't know about this. Why should they.
I know some (mid-sized) Mobile developers too and oh booooooooooooooy that's a tough market to be in right now.
cyberheater
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No amount of 'secret sauce' is going to turn this into a high performance machine. Folks insisting this was going to be around Xbox One/PS4 performance levels can kiss that dream good bye as well a third party ports.
dampflokfreund
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Well, 384-512 Shader Cores would explain why the clock speeds are so low compared to Tegra X1, and why there is a fan inside the Switch, right?
So I guess 384 atleast is pretty likely? How would that compare to Wii U and Xbox One?
So I guess 384 atleast is pretty likely? How would that compare to Wii U and Xbox One?
I'm sure is aimed to grown-up people who can afford many video games but don't have time because commute. The children audience will come for the next, smaller Switch iteration
KojiKnight
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Vita is not even a 5th that of the PS3.
As for switch... We're looking at (as we currently understand the hardware) 5x in portable mode and 10-12x in docked mode versus Vita.
Put this.way doesnt make any sense
Wii and ds (3ds too ) gave many great experiences
The issue isnt that per sé
But the incoherence of positioning this hw as a home console apparently pursuing western support and probabile pricing it 50 bucks too high
You wont get a spec sheet from Nintendo on Jan 12th
They are also still trying to sell a handheld this holiday with its brand new Pokémon game. They didn't want to kill the 3DS right before it's swan song. But they also wanted to reveal Switch for the fans. They had to do things this way, it's why they still haven't publically revealed it's touch screen features. They still have 3DSs to sell.
They carried 3DS all by themselves outside of some niche Japanese games. The Switch will do just fine.
Really?
My nephew's can't be trusted with 3DS where as iPad is more durable.
Nintendo will have console support. Games like a new 3D Zelda wouldn't usually release on a Nintendo Handheld. Releasing 1 system allows Nintendo to have a better software output.
As for price I agree, $250/$300 is way too much for a system that needs to appeal to kids. However Nintendo can easily ammend this by dropping the price to 3DS level down the line.
I think $249 is the absolute highest they can go with these specs. The $249 price may even be pushing it. I hope they have some kind of rabbit to pull out of their hat otherwise this may be a tough sell for anyone other than hardcore Nintendo fans who were not enough to save the Wii U.
Straws... Clutching...
KojiKnight
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384 would put it at about the low end of the spectrum of the previous rumors (500 gflops 32fp, 1TF 16fp) which would put it squarely in between the two..
Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if they charged $399.99 for this thing.
Wonder what the reactions here would be like.
bobbychalkers
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Do you remember the framey MGS4 cutscene tech demo running off of what was then the NGP development hardware before it was downgraded to what we now have in the Vita? Switch could actually run that plus more.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
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If you think that the Switch is competing with the 3DS then this is just plain FUD/trolling.
metalslimer
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We are never getting a spec sheet from Nintendo so leaks will be as close we get for a long time. I think people are also a little crazy if they don't think that Switch will compete with the PS4 and XB1 to a significant degree. Just because the Switch will have Nintendo games doesn't automatically make it unique from the rest of the market especially as Nintendo expands into mobile gaming.
Because quality of games is measured by the specs of the system they're on. I guess Wii, Wii U, DS and 3DS libraries is full of low quality games.
th3sicknness
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I have had several friends either change industries or job hop because of how difficult it is.
One thing to take under consideration is franchise fatigue. This is most evident with the dumbasses at EA releasing Titanfall 2 and Battlefield 1 in roughly the same launch window and then not realizing or not caring that Activision was also releasing Infinite Warfare shortly after... I believe all games under performed and there are rumors that Battlefield is going to take a long break before coming back. Look at Halo its sales have been decreasing every single release.. Games just dont sell as well as they use to.
Had Nintendo released a traditional system they would have been way more screwed than taking a chance on the Switch.
krizalidzero
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yeah, you're right. The PS3 owns the Vita, of course, but I wouldn't say a 5th - unless you specifically mean the processor, but the Cell isn't to be considered I'd say.
What ? No, shield Tablet has a k1, not x1
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