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[20cent]

Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.”

Yeah but he didn't come back through the device though, he was sitting on a bench implying that he lived his life in the main timeline past and was there the whole time until they started look for him to come back.

I wouldn't think to much about this, there are just making up rules as the movie goes to fit what they want to tell..

 

[Slacker]

My understanding is that they can't return to the exact same point in the alternate reality.
Just like they can't change current mainline present/future they can't return to the past/alternate reality to change things.
If they return to the exact same moment it will actually be another reality again.

It wouldn't make sense if you couldn't affect the present by time travel but you could readjust the past by time travel.

Ah but remember they're not jumping timelines while going backwards. They're going back in their own timeline. Any alternate realities are essentially ignored. They jump back to Vormir, snag ScarJo before she goes a leaping, and warp back to the present. An alternate reality would be created at that point, and that reality is probably going to get Thanos'd, but that's their problem. Small price to pay for us to get our pals back.

Yeah but he didn't come back through the device though, he was sitting on a bench implying that he lived his life in the main timeline past and was there the whole time until they started look for him to come back.

Just in case it's not clear, that's not a fan theory. The directors of the movie specifically say Cap jumped back from another timeline. He didn't arrive on the device but the time-travellers didn't arrive on a device in any other destinations either. All we know is that Cap had a way to make the jump from his alternate timeline back to the main one, and as a fellow with a flair for the dramatic, waited patiently on that bench for someone to see him. Dude is good.

I wouldn't think to much about this, there are just making up rules as the movie goes to fit what they want to tell..

I'm not sure I understand this comment. Isn't that exactly what writers do when they write?

 

[ResilientBanana]

Was there still a cap on ice even though Steve stayed back in time?

 

[Dragon_Rocks]

Was there still a cap on ice even though Steve stayed back in time?

Yes.

 

[kunonabi]

Was there still a cap on ice even though Steve stayed back in time?

Pretty much.

The theory I've heard bandied around the most is that Steve stayed in the past and married Peggy creating a new reality. This means that we've actually been watching this offshoot reality the entire time instead of the original prime reality we thought we were. This also means that the husband we never saw was Steve after he decided to stay in the past. Furthermore, Peggy was faking Alzheimer's in the conversation they had in Winter Soldier so has not to tip the other Steve off. So yeah, fuck the Russo's if this is actually what they were getting at.

 

[Raziel]

 

[20cent]

Just in case it's not clear, that's not a fan theory. The directors of the movie specifically say Cap jumped back from another timeline. He didn't arrive on the device but the time-travellers didn't arrive on a device in any other destinations either.

Oh ok and you're right about the device.

Isn't that exactly what writers do when they write?

Well sure, I hope they all know, especially the Game of Thrones TV writers.

In the movie it is said that not returning the stones will create another realities, hence Captain goes back in time. Then he created another timeline by staying? Is it not an issue anymore? That's why it sounds confusing and not really consistant. But maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[Kanojo23]

i remember i saw it somewhere "don't watch the endgame, full of spoilers" hehe sorry

 

[sol_bad]

What drugs is Shapiro on? He is just rambling shit that makes no sense. He has no idea what he is talking, he doesn't even understand Tony's character arc.

He doesn't understand Thor's character arc? Doesn't understand why he is depressed? He's afraid of leadership? What the fuck? He wasn't afraid of leadership, he was dying to be king in the first film. Conversation with his mother doesn't work!!!!! Thor never got closure with his mother, it's a perfect scene.

Captain Marvel, deus ex machina? HOW???

His argument about Thanos power levels, boring. 2014 Thanos is not as strong as 2018 Thanos.

He is drugs.

 

[kiiltz]

In the movie it is said that not returning the stones will create another realities, hence Captain goes back in time. Then he created another timeline by staying? Is it not an issue anymore? That's why it sounds confusing and not really consistant. But maybe I misunderstood something.

It was just a convenient way to write Cap out of the universe. Don't think too much about it.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

Yeah but he didn't come back through the device though, he was sitting on a bench implying that he lived his life in the main timeline past and was there the whole time until they started look for him to come back.

I wouldn't think to much about this, there are just making up rules as the movie goes to fit what they want to tell..

Nah. Captain came from another timeline at the end. Peggy grew old and had children with someone else, so the old version of Captain clearly came from another timeline.

This is how it works:
It had already been established that you don’t necessarily have to use the large time travel platform to jump through time. When Stark and Captain failed to retrieve the tesseract in 2012, they were able to jump to 1970 to get it from the military base. (The devices in their wrists presumably allow them to travel to any time and place they want.)

They only had enough Pym particles for one round trip each, so Captain had to grab more vials when he was there. He only would have needed two vials (one for him and one for Tony) but he grabbed four vials. He had two extra vials that nobody would have known about. This would have allowed him to make an extra jump after returning the stones to effectively live out a new reality with Peggy in a new timeline. He would have had enough Pym particles to return to his original timeline at the end.

 

[Celcius]

I was really hoping to see more of Thanos’ daily life on the garden planet before he died.

 

[Mista]

I was really hoping to see more of Thanos’ daily life on the garden planet before he died.

Eh, Thor didn’t allow us to have some fun.

 

[captainraincoat]

They needed a bunch of additional scenes. Captain Marvel just coming across Tony and Nebula and Pepper being at the headquarters wasn't explained at all. Unless you saw and sat around to the end of Captain Marvel you wouldn't have even known that she was already back on Earth. It was already 3hrs long another 12 or 20 minutes extra wouldn't have killed us.

The way I felt before seeing the movie was that tony was going to figure out a way like he did in Ironman 1 .....something just randomly showing up defeats the whole purpose of tony stark being a brilliant mind

It also did not explain how people were able to handle the infinity stones and how stark was able to come up with a gauntlet that somehow allowed the wearer to use the stones

Would of much rather explained these points instead of the shitty subplots this movie had

Edit
On the female showing up at the end.... the scene itself was not actually bad but it was completely out of place and felt forced like many of the scenes in the movie

It focused as a whole on the wrong areas

If you took 1 thing from part 1 and that was thanos was not just a badass but had thought behind his motives....part 2 he was literally a subplot until the end and a group of females show up and fuck his shit up

It felt very jarring...the whole movie I think was a Frankenstein job

 

[Nnam]

I haven't seen it but the views have been graphic enough, and IMO not a lot of people enjoyed it.

 

[yet_another_alt]

That feel when you realize that Tony has perfect aim after he flicked Scott meaning he let Nebula win that paper football game cause he wanted to see her happy.

Spoiler

 

[G-Bus]

Enjoyed it enough to go see it again this weekend with a friend that hasn't seen it yet. Think this is the first time I've seen a movie twice in theaters.

The only thing that bothered me though was Hulk not getting another chance at Thanos. Really would have liked to see him fuck some shit up.

 

[Ulysses 31]

The only thing that bothered me though was Hulk not getting another chance at Thanos. Really would have liked to see him fuck some shit up.

But even if Hulk did, would it really be so satisfying? It's not the same Thanos.

 

[G-Bus]

But even if Hulk did, would it really be so satisfying? It's not the same Thanos.

Didn't really think of it like that. Hulks just one of my favorite characters and I like seeing him fight.

Your right tho, wouldn't be the same. Although, what's so different? Thanos had what, two stones last time they fought and he didn't even use them?

 

[Da-Kid]

I'm surprised people have such a problem with Captain Marvel fighting Thanos saying she's overpowered. Weird.

She didn't even get close to what Scarlett Witch was doing to Thanos. SW was literally about to Mortal Kombat fatality Thanos had he not told his lackies to fire missiles upon himself and his army.

 

[yeahokaywhatever]

That feel when you realize that Tony has perfect aim after he flicked Scott meaning he let Nebula win that paper football game cause he wanted to see her happy.

Spoiler

 

[kunonabi]

I'm surprised people have such a problem with Captain Marvel fighting Thanos saying she's overpowered. Weird.

She didn't even get close to what Scarlett Witch was doing to Thanos. SW was literally about to Mortal Kombat fatality Thanos had he not told his lackies to fire misses upon himself and his army.

And Marvel destroyed that ship without a second thought and no sold Thanos once he actually had the glove. It also helps that we've seen Scarlet grow into her powers and she has an emotional drive to her side of the fight while Carol is just a plot device.

 

[Mihos]

I'm surprised people have such a problem with Captain Marvel fighting Thanos saying she's overpowered. Weird.

She didn't even get close to what Scarlett Witch was doing to Thanos. SW was literally about to Mortal Kombat fatality Thanos had he not told his lackies to fire misses upon himself and his army.

Captain Marvel just flying through big ass ships to destroy them is stupid, and kind of universe breaking... like 'from now on, lets just light speed our ships into stuff' universe breaking. I am OK with her just being the bitchy superman, but from now on, they have to find some reason she can't just fly through stuff and blow it up in every movie she is in.

Scarlette witch is is a glass cannon and unstable as hell, so she has flaws equal to her power.

 

[bloodydrake]

Captain Marvel just flying through big ass ships to destroy them is stupid, and kind of universe breaking... like 'from now on, lets just light speed our ships into stuff' universe breaking. I am OK with her just being the bitchy superman, but from now on, they have to find some reason she can't just fly through stuff and blow it up in every movie she is in.

Scarlette witch is is a glass cannon and unstable as hell, so she has flaws equal to her power.

I think in the MCU they've combined Captain Marvels powers and her Binary powers which was pretty uber... Kinda Phoenix Lite

 

[Da-Kid]

And Marvel destroyed that ship without a second thought and no sold Thanos once he actually had the glove. It also helps that we've seen Scarlet grow into her powers and she has an emotional drive to her side of the fight while Carol is just a plot device.

Captain Marvel just flying through big ass ships to destroy them is stupid, and kind of universe breaking... like 'from now on, lets just light speed our ships into stuff' universe breaking. I am OK with her just being the bitchy superman, but from now on, they have to find some reason she can't just fly through stuff and blow it up in every movie she is in.

Scarlette witch is is a glass cannon and unstable as hell, so she has flaws equal to her power.

So... she has to have emotional flaws to be powerful? You guys are really sad with your reasonings. Lol "Universe Breaking" foh.

 

[kunonabi]

Did I say flaws? Her rage for what happened to Vision was fueling her.

 

[Slacker]

What drugs is Shapiro on? He is just rambling shit that makes no sense.

He does that for a living so he’s pretty darn good at it. I like that he thinks Cap is boring cause Chris Evans was a meanie to him though.

I haven't seen it but the views have been graphic enough, and IMO not a lot of people enjoyed it. I do like how

I’m not sure what the “views are graphic” means but I can pretty much guarantee more people liked it than didn’t. A+ cinema score and overwhelmingly positive critical reviews so far.

I was slightly disappointed (probably because I was blown away by infinity war) but there was certainly more good than bad.

 

[Shouta]

Nah. Captain came from another timeline at the end. Peggy grew old and had children with someone else, so the old version of Captain clearly came from another timeline.

This is how it works:
It had already been established that you don’t necessarily have to use the large time travel platform to jump through time. When Stark and Captain failed to retrieve the tesseract in 2012, they were able to jump to 1970 to get it from the military base. (The devices in their wrists presumably allow them to travel to any time and place they want.)

They only had enough Pym particles for one round trip each, so Captain had to grab more vials when he was there. He only would have needed two vials (one for him and one for Tony) but he grabbed four vials. He had two extra vials that nobody would have known about. This would have allowed him to make an extra jump after returning the stones to effectively live out a new reality with Peggy in a new timeline. He would have had enough Pym particles to return to his original timeline at the end.

Oh yeah, he did grab more than 2 didn't he? I'll to pay attention to that specifically when I rewatch but I do recall him grabbing more than 2 there.

 

[AgentP]

What if CM had made it into the van portal at the end? She was going where/when? She had no Pym particles, no GPS and no info on where/when the stones had to be returned. So Thanos saved them from that disaster?

Also, why didn't Cap & IM just fly to the west coast to get Pym particles from Pym in 2012 rather than take a chance on 1970?

 

[pimentel1]

Just saw it. That was a damn fine ending.

Spoiler: Spoiler

And I think Black Widow survived. Hulk at the end of the film said something to the effect that when he snapped everyone back alive that he tried to snap her back alive. He was thinking specifically of her, and maybe, just maybe he did save her.

 

[Shouta]

What if CM had made it into the van portal at the end? She was going where/when? She had no Pym particles, no GPS and no info on where/when the stones had to be returned. So Thanos saved them from that disaster?

Also, why didn't Cap & IM just fly to the west coast to get Pym particles from Pym in 2012 rather than take a chance on 1970?

On the second part, they also needed the Tesseract since Loki had just grabbed it and poofed out of there. They didn't have a way to find him. Jumping back to 1970 would allow them get the Pym Particles and what they were really after in the first place.

 

[Xiaoki]

Just saw it. That was a damn fine ending.

Spoiler: Spoiler

And I think Black Widow survived. Hulk at the end of the film said something to the effect that when he snapped everyone back alive that he tried to snap her back alive. He was thinking specifically of her, and maybe, just maybe he did save her.

Spoiler

The Russo brothers have confirmed that anyone sacrificed the Soul stone is gone forever.

But that doesnt mean you still cant enjoy Black Widow's origin film coming next year(?)

 

[Doom85]

Spoiler

The Russo brothers have confirmed that anyone sacrificed the Soul stone is gone forever.

But that doesnt mean you still cant enjoy Black Widow's origin film coming next year(?)

Spoiler

Yeah, but I feel James Gunn isn't going to care regarding that when he does Guardians 3. Seriously, to build up two movies of having the team bond as a family and then to just have Gamora die alone with none of them feels wrong to me. "2014 Gamora" is not the same person and I really don't want her to replace main Gamora. The fact that Adam Warlock is going to be a major factor in 3 (who in the comics could resurrect people) adds fuel to the potential that we've not seen the last of main Gamora.

 

[AgentP]

On the second part, they also needed the Tesseract since Loki had just grabbed it and poofed out of there. They didn't have a way to find him. Jumping back to 1970 would allow them get the Pym Particles and what they were really after in the first place.

But it would make more sense to secure more particles before risk using up the remaining supply. You can get a Tesseract from any timeline.

 

[Shouta]

But it would make more sense to secure more particles before risk using up the remaining supply. You can get a Tesseract from any timeline.

There's a lot more risk to doing it in the timeline they were in if we went through the scenarios for it. Travelling alone would be a big issue on most fronts. They also didn't necessarily know where Pym was at the time and if he had particles active and good to go. The 1970 jump was a gamble but it worked out sand it was 2 birds with 1 stone. 4 birds if you count the personal stuff for Cap and IM then.

 

[sol_bad]

GOTG3 could be set in 2015 or 2016 for all we know. Doesn't have to be set after Endgame.

For all we know, the MCU movies for the next 4 years could all be prequels to Endgame. Once we hit 2023 in real life, that's when the real sequels start happening.

Except for Far From Home of course, as it closes out phase 3.

 

[pramod]

No idea why they are even bothering with the Black Widow movie. Its going to bomb harder than Solo. A big reason people went to see these B tier MCU movies like CM and Antman was for the Thanos connection.

 

[Doom85]

No idea why they are even bothering with the Black Widow movie. Its going to bomb harder than Solo. A big reason people went to see these B tier MCU movies like CM and Antman was for the Thanos connection.

The first Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-man movie did just fine in the box office and I don't think general audiences were thinking, "oh man, I have to see these films because they might tie into that guy we saw in the credits of Avengers 1!"

 

[MetalAlien]

Buddy of mine gave me a crappy copy so I watched the last battle again. I enjoyed the battle with the OG Avengers and Thanos but as soon as Strange shows up the whole thing starts to fall apart. Antman was awesome though.

The whole ending is completely bullshit though because the good guys still had the stones. Anyone who died could have been brought back. Good ole Captain Lesbian could have used the Iron Gauntlet to bring back Tony for example. And their argument for not being able to bring back Nat is completely meaningless with fucking Gamora standing right fucking there.... Go get Nat from just before she got the Soul Stone. Worked for Gamora.

 

[pramod]

The first Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-man movie did just fine in the box office and I don't think general audiences were thinking, "oh man, I have to see these films because they might tie into that guy we saw in the credits of Avengers 1!"

They were all part of an evolving grander story though. Black Widow will be the very first prequel in the MCU, ie we already know exactly what's going to happen, I just don't see why anyone would be interested.

 

[Weilthain]

Was pretty good. Way too long, too many characters. I feel it's so cringey when they have the big battle scenes and everyone gets their little pose and 2 mins. Still enjoyed it.
My complaints would be there are too many characters and in a few emotional scenes they decided to share them with 'people who weren't in the movie'
The scene at the end with old cap, should have been shared with someone 'who was in the movie' and even then, it should have been Bucky, but he wasn't 'in the movie' either so that would have of pissed me off as well.

Almost got a tear from me at the end when Ironman leaves his family behind, they could have played that way sadder, I'm glad they didn't as sad children in movies gets me easily.

 

[Filth]

They were all part of an evolving grander story though. Black Widow will be the very first prequel in the MCU, ie we already know exactly what's going to happen, I just don't see why anyone would be interested.

maybe shes a skrull? they literally did nothing with the skrulls in other movies so far. Was really hoping to see that a couple of them were skrulls....

 

[sol_bad]

Buddy of mine gave me a crappy copy so I watched the last battle again. I enjoyed the battle with the OG Avengers and Thanos but as soon as Strange shows up the whole thing starts to fall apart. Antman was awesome though.

The whole ending is completely bullshit though because the good guys still had the stones. Anyone who died could have been brought back. Good ole Captain Lesbian could have used the Iron Gauntlet to bring back Tony for example. And their argument for not being able to bring back Nat is completely meaningless with fucking Gamora standing right fucking there.... Go get Nat from just before she got the Soul Stone. Worked for Gamora.

They could bring anyone back if they wanted to technically. But it would cheapen the whole thing. Bringing back Nat, Vision, Heimdall, Gamora, Loki and Tony would make their sacrifices mean absolutely nothing.

Story wise they don't want to bring everyone back, if they did, why stop at Nat, why not bring Tony's and Thor's parents back? Why not bring back Wanda's parents and brother?It's endless and stupid. The plan was to undo the snap, not re-write history.

Not sure what you mean by Gamora. The Gamora at the end of the film is not the same Gamora that was sacrificed for the soul stone.

*EDIT*
Bringing back any of the dead characters that weren't killed in the snap would be extremely selfish. Trillions of people across the universe have lost people, some directly through Thanos. What right do the Avengers have to bring back 6 people and not allow trillions of others the same opportunity?

 

[Robot Carnival]

a few questions, not sure if already answered.

first of all, how does Cap return the soul stone? I mean, I can deal with the whole "people who died for the stone can't be brought back" thing. but what's he going to do with the stone? just throw it off the mountain or something? it doesn't even have a placement location for crying out loud. and what would his reaction be when he see the Red Skull of all people there doing the whole Walmart welcome thing?

second of all, the old Cap at the end gave Falcon the shield, but where did that shield came from? my friend pointed out to me that when Cap get back to return the stone and Mjolnir, he didn't have the shield with him. so where the old Cap get the shield? which is broken by Thanos btw...

 

[sol_bad]

a few questions, not sure if already answered.

first of all, how does Cap return the soul stone? I mean, I can deal with the whole "people who died for the stone can't be brought back" thing. but what's he going to do with the stone? just throw it off the mountain or something? it doesn't even have a placement location for crying out loud. and what would his reaction be when he see the Red Skull of all people there doing the whole Walmart welcome thing?

second of all, the old Cap at the end gave Falcon the shield, but where did that shield came from? my friend pointed out to me that when Cap get back to return the stone and Mjolnir, he didn't have the shield with him. so where the old Cap get the shield? which is broken by Thanos btw...

How do they get the soul stone? That's not even explained. Thanos and Clint just magically appear in a bed of water with the stone in hand. If you can accept that, it's easy to accept that Steve returned the stone "somehow".

As for the shield, he was probably still friends with Howard Stark.

 

[Robot Carnival]

How do they get the soul stone? That's not even explained. Thanos and Clint just magically appear in a bed of water with the stone in hand. If you can accept that, it's easy to accept that Steve returned the stone "somehow".

As for the shield, he was probably still friends with Howard Stark.

yeah, since both Thanos and Clint just "woke up" with the stone in their hands, how in the world would Cap "return" it anyway? I kinda want to think that the Cap getting to the mountain but can't find anyone since Red Skull see that it's Cap and just hide and didn't came out. which ended up making Cap all confuse and have no idea how to return the soul stone, and he just kept it all this time lol

as for the shield thou, remember that back then they only have enough vibranium to make that one shield, so if the Cap gets it and kept it all this time, that would be another time travel paradox since the Cap of that timeline won't be able to have a shield.

 

[Mihos]

yeah, since both Thanos and Clint just "woke up" with the stone in their hands, how in the world would Cap "return" it anyway? I kinda want to think that the Cap getting to the mountain but can't find anyone since Red Skull see that it's Cap and just hide and didn't came out. which ended up making Cap all confuse and have no idea how to return the soul stone, and he just kept it all this time lol

as for the shield thou, remember that back then they only have enough vibranium to make that one shield, so if the Cap gets it and kept it all this time, that would be another time travel paradox since the Cap of that timeline won't be able to have a shield.

He knows where Wakanda is, or if you don't like that, he knows where Klaw is.... It is also implied Tony was doing some under the table deals with Klaw

 

[MetalAlien]

They could bring anyone back if they wanted to technically. But it would cheapen the whole thing. Bringing back Nat, Vision, Heimdall, Gamora, Loki and Tony would make their sacrifices mean absolutely nothing.

Story wise they don't want to bring everyone back, if they did, why stop at Nat, why not bring Tony's and Thor's parents back? Why not bring back Wanda's parents and brother?It's endless and stupid. The plan was to undo the snap, not re-write history.

Not sure what you mean by Gamora. The Gamora at the end of the film is not the same Gamora that was sacrificed for the soul stone.

*EDIT*
Bringing back any of the dead characters that weren't killed in the snap would be extremely selfish. Trillions of people across the universe have lost people, some directly through Thanos. What right do the Avengers have to bring back 6 people and not allow trillions of others the same opportunity?

You are right it would cheapen the whole thing, almost like it was a terrible story to begin with. Sigh..... there is only one Gamora.... the Gamora in the movie is from the past... Why can't they get Nat the moment before she leaves to get the soul stone? Don't say it would mess up the timeline because if it would, so would getting Gamora back..

This movie is a compete mess.

 

[FireFly]

You are right it would cheapen the whole thing, almost like it was a terrible story to begin with. Sigh..... there is only one Gamora.... the Gamora in the movie is from the past... Why can't they get Nat the moment before she leaves to get the soul stone? Don't say it would mess up the timeline because if it would, so would getting Gamora back..

This movie is a compete mess.

No, there are two Gamoras. The one that died in this reality, and the one from the 2014 branch universe which lost its Thanos to Tony's snap. In the branch universe Thanos doesn't exist to collect the infinity stones and so Gamora would never be in a position to be sacrificed.

If the Avengers went back and took Nat before she left to get the soul stone then this would create a new branch where either, A.) The Avengers never get the soul stone and are defeated by Thanos, or B.) Someone else sacrifices themselves in Nat's place. And as Cap says, the Avengers don't trade lives.

Now, they could take Nat from the 2014 universe that no longer has Thanos, since she is no longer needed to make the sacrifice. But in that case they wouldn't be saving her; just stealing her from another group of Avengers. The Nat from their universe would still be gone.

 

[Slacker]

yeah, since both Thanos and Clint just "woke up" with the stone in their hands, how in the world would Cap "return" it anyway? I kinda want to think that the Cap getting to the mountain but can't find anyone since Red Skull see that it's Cap and just hide and didn't came out. which ended up making Cap all confuse and have no idea how to return the soul stone, and he just kept it all this time lol

That's nothing. He's going to have to shove that other stone up Natalie Portman's ass.